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Old Oct 1, 2001 | 02:03 PM
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Car: 1989 C4
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Transmission: 700r4
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What rpm does your LO3 tbi pull to?

I dove my friends 89 rs auto, this weekend +.30 pistons are the only thing that can be considered mods on this engine. This car pulls very well to 6800rpm.
Is this typical for an LO3?
what do your engines pull to?
Im very impressed with the performance of this car and cant see why these are considered non performers.
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Old Oct 1, 2001 | 02:51 PM
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lol i dont think that the average lo3 pulls that high, must have something else
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Old Oct 1, 2001 | 02:54 PM
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Wow, 6800, I have never had mine that high. Mine pulls through 4,000 pretty nice though.

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Old Oct 1, 2001 | 03:36 PM
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Just pistons? No cam, lifters, springs, rockers? wow! Mine (stock) only pulls to ~4300 RPM (in drive, not manually shifter).
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Old Oct 1, 2001 | 04:44 PM
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Wow! I wish that I could get mine that high, then I'd be in the 15's.

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Old Oct 1, 2001 | 05:43 PM
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I have had mine to 6000 only a few times and it's stock except for the mod's listed. 6800 with peanut cam?

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Old Oct 1, 2001 | 07:15 PM
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From: Pueblo Co
Car: 1989 C4
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 307
Yea 6800 I helped "did" rebuild the engine a year ago right before I moved. I never had chance to punch it then but it felt like it had alot more than the 3k we were limiting it to "break in". As far as we know its the stock roller cam. He doesent even have a K&N on it or TBI mods "yet "
So its abonormal for a lo3 to put up this rpm?
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Edit: There might have been some tranny mods becasuse it will bang to 6800 per gear in drive and it feels like it might have a kit in it.




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Old Oct 1, 2001 | 08:24 PM
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my car pulls to 4,000rpm then dies after that

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Old Oct 1, 2001 | 08:59 PM
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no its not normal to pull that high!! you either got a good deal when you got it or you just have a "special" engine somekind of freak engine
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Old Oct 1, 2001 | 10:07 PM
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My 350 with a mild cam does not "pull" that high. Power drops off at about 5800RPM I guess it might ravv that high if I tried it.

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Old Oct 2, 2001 | 07:01 AM
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mine will pull to 5 grand. actually it will pull a little more, but I didn't think that the valve springs could take that kind of abuse. (stock heads with 115,000 miles)

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Old Oct 2, 2001 | 11:12 AM
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Car: 1991 BandittII Firebird
Engine: 5.7 HSR
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 bolt
6800???
i really doubt that!!

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Old Oct 2, 2001 | 11:16 AM
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the stock heads cant handle 6800 without breaking something.. i pushed mine to 5500 a few times but moslty around 5000 is good for me. the peanuts cam cant handle that i agree..

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Old Oct 2, 2001 | 11:39 AM
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I pull to about 4800 then die with the stock cam. That changes with new cam and heads though...

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Old Oct 2, 2001 | 12:30 PM
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Are you sure the tach was wired right? Even with a better ignition, better ignition module,dual snorkel,and a great exhaust mine only pulls to a max of 5300rpm
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Old Oct 2, 2001 | 02:13 PM
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From: Pueblo Co
Car: 1989 C4
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700r4
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Yep 6800 almost burries the 7k tack, and it is wired correctly. These are the stock heads and stock valve springs. Im not certain about the cam "it looked stock" I havent messed with alot of roller cams so I cant say for sure. This car was just purchased and fixed for transportation nothing more. The guy that owns it is a cheap A$$ and wouldent do anything to it that costs extra. He griped about putting poly rings in because they were 10$ more. So Im certain it was not modified after I built it. It probable that the prevoius owner installed an lt1 cam and vett servo, but the springs are stock and hold up quite well to high rpm.I fairly sure this car has 2:73's or 3:08's in it also becasue it doesent spin the tires well in 1st but on second and third shift they get loose.
I dont know but it makes me very Pi$$ED off that I have to spend a butt load of cash to make my cars go fast and this one is near stock and pulls as high as my truck and 400 more tham my camaro.
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Old Oct 2, 2001 | 05:02 PM
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I had an old 305 w/ open element and headers w/ cat back and it pulled well up to 6K. When I ran open headers it didn't want to stop pulling and I took it to 7K!! THAT WAS NOT SMART!!!!!!!! no damage...but it is possible I guess.

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Old Oct 2, 2001 | 07:24 PM
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sorry guys, but I have a pretty mean cam and my car falls flat on its face past 6300RPM. There is just no way the LO3 can take that kind of beating. I remember when I had mine it would feel like someone turned the car off when it passed 5500RPM.

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Old Oct 2, 2001 | 10:16 PM
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Does it PULL to 6800 or does it rev to it?
I have a LT-1 cam, headers, 3" exhaust, Edelbrock Performer TBI manifold, all the TBI mods except adjustable FPR, MSD 6-AL, Open Element with a flat base and no spacer ring, 350 injectors, and a well tuned chip, and 5800 RPM's is alot for this engine. It'll REV to 6800 if I'd let is, but it'd never pull to those RPMs. At 5500 it's outta breath. He must either have quite a cam with good heads, or there's some kind of mistake here.
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Old Oct 2, 2001 | 11:10 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Duke:
Does it PULL to 6800 or does it rev to it?
I have a LT-1 cam, headers, 3" exhaust, Edelbrock Performer TBI manifold, all the TBI mods except adjustable FPR, MSD 6-AL, Open Element with a flat base and no spacer ring, 350 injectors, and a well tuned chip, and 5800 RPM's is alot for this engine. It'll REV to 6800 if I'd let is, but it'd never pull to those RPMs. At 5500 it's outta breath. He must either have quite a cam with good heads, or there's some kind of mistake here.
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No, it pulls to 6800 If you floor it from a dead stop in "D" it will pull to 6800rpm about 30+ish mph then shifts into second with a squeal then back up there in second. If your driving about 25mph and punch it in "D"
it will pop down to 1st slap 6800, then 6800 in second. It really doesent have alot of off the line grunt but after 10 mph it pulls hard. Im going to convince him to bring it down to the track next summer to see what kind of time it will run "me driving " but Im thinking its capibal of low/mid 14's up here 4800ft above sea level. Either that or I pay to have it on the dyno to satisfy my curiuosity.
I guess Im wating until next summer
Thanks for the info guys I appreciate it.
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Old Oct 5, 2001 | 01:30 PM
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Ok...um, the key thing here that tells me the tach *IS* wired wrong is that the car is doing 30+mph @ 6800rpm in 1st. You said it had a 2.73 or 3.08 (most likely)...well, at those rpms, with that rear, in 1st gear, the car would be at something like 50+mph. Not 30. Sorry, but the tach is wired wrong or plain not accurate.
Like everyone else has said, the stock L03 heads/cam do not support pulling to 6800. Hell, I'm not even sure it would free-rev to 6800. I think you'd get valve float and make no power whatsoever.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SSC:
No, it pulls to 6800 If you floor it from a dead stop in "D" it will pull to 6800rpm about 30+ish mph then shifts into second with a squeal then back up there in second. If your driving about 25mph and punch it in "D"
it will pop down to 1st slap 6800, then 6800 in second. It really doesent have alot of off the line grunt but after 10 mph it pulls hard. Im going to convince him to bring it down to the track next summer to see what kind of time it will run "me driving " but Im thinking its capibal of low/mid 14's up here 4800ft above sea level. Either that or I pay to have it on the dyno to satisfy my curiuosity.
I guess Im wating until next summer
Thanks for the info guys I appreciate it.
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Old Oct 5, 2001 | 01:45 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kevm14:
Ok...um, the key thing here that tells me the tach *IS* wired wrong is that the car is doing 30+mph @ 6800rpm in 1st. You said it had a 2.73 or 3.08 (most likely)...well, at those rpms, with that rear,

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Im not 100% sure that it was 30. But you must remember were talking a 700r4 here. The 1st gear is like granny gear, its not a wide ratio gear.
The tack could be wrong I dont know for sure, I will find out next time I see the car.
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