TBI manual swap problems??
TBI manual swap problems??
i have a TBI (actually a crossfire injection) on my car. it is an automatic. i want to swap in a t5 manual (with mechanical speedo). my question is will i have any problems with the ECM? ive heard just disconnect the TCC and it will be fine. wont that throw the ECM off?? even if i have to jumper something to make it think its working. wont it still make the ECM say WTF?? And what about the P/N switch? ive heard to turn it into a clutch anticipate switch. would this work or will this make the ECM say WTF?? im concerned my car will have a problem running correctly or dying on decel or something like that. help me shed some light on this
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From: Redding,Ca
Car: 83 z28/ 82 trans am
Engine: stock? 305 w/crossfire
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73/stock 2.98?
Re: TBI manual swap problems??
I am still tryng to work out the kinks on my '83 cfi z28 5 speed swap. the clutch switch on the peddle was bad, so I bypassed the starter.
run the hatch wire to the parking brake switch the hatch button will work if the brake is on and/or the key is off.
If you leve the park/neutral switch as an open circuit, the car will always think it is in gear, cousing the check engine light to come on at high idle(ecm thinks in gear+high rpm+no vss signal=bad p/n switch or bad vss) I tried using a brake light switch on the clutch, but when driving like a sports car the ecm said"WTF!!!" it did not like seeing the switch change from in gear and out and back in. I tried using the parking brake, but had high roving idle untill I pulled the brake. The best so faw has been simply having the park/neutral circuit closed so the ecm thinks it is in park/neutral all the time. at some point I think I will get a later modle tbi ecm and see what happens.
Good luck, and have fun. my car(alright it is my wife's) went from being a slight kick in the pants on hard accel. to HOLLY S*** once the t5 and 3.73 rear were installed the rear and trans came from the same doner car, so the speedo is also correct, I just connected the cable to the trans and all is good there.
run the hatch wire to the parking brake switch the hatch button will work if the brake is on and/or the key is off.
If you leve the park/neutral switch as an open circuit, the car will always think it is in gear, cousing the check engine light to come on at high idle(ecm thinks in gear+high rpm+no vss signal=bad p/n switch or bad vss) I tried using a brake light switch on the clutch, but when driving like a sports car the ecm said"WTF!!!" it did not like seeing the switch change from in gear and out and back in. I tried using the parking brake, but had high roving idle untill I pulled the brake. The best so faw has been simply having the park/neutral circuit closed so the ecm thinks it is in park/neutral all the time. at some point I think I will get a later modle tbi ecm and see what happens.
Good luck, and have fun. my car(alright it is my wife's) went from being a slight kick in the pants on hard accel. to HOLLY S*** once the t5 and 3.73 rear were installed the rear and trans came from the same doner car, so the speedo is also correct, I just connected the cable to the trans and all is good there.
Re: TBI manual swap problems??
thanx for the info. maybe i will have to change proms to one for a manual tranny. i was thinking of changing the entire ECM to a newer one from a TBI vehicle with manual tranny but im not sure if i can change it because my car is a crossfire injection. i would think it would work as long as its from a 305.
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From: Redding,Ca
Car: 83 z28/ 82 trans am
Engine: stock? 305 w/crossfire
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73/stock 2.98?
Re: TBI manual swap problems??
The only reason I am thinking about changing the ecm is that crossfire was only offered with an auto. and I am not sure that a chip from a later ecm will work.
Re: TBI manual swap problems??
Actually crossfire injection was available with a manual tranny. the only thing is that it was only available in 82. in 82 it was only a 4 speed tho but that wont make a difference 4 5 or 6 speed, its programed for a manual.
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From: Redding,Ca
Car: 83 z28/ 82 trans am
Engine: stock? 305 w/crossfire
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73/stock 2.98?
Re: TBI manual swap problems??
I know that the ecm is a plug-n-play change between the 82 and 83(my 82 t/a is running with a 84 vette ecm-same ecm as 83 f-body, just different chip) but are the chips inside the same? I know the 82 and 83 are vastly different in size
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From: Redding,Ca
Car: 83 z28/ 82 trans am
Engine: stock? 305 w/crossfire
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73/stock 2.98?
Re: TBI manual swap problems??
as I was typing, it donned on me that the 84 vette did have a manual option, so I looked around and found that Hypertech - Power Chip
Part Number: 154371 is a California legal chip for the 84 vette w/manual trans but I think those had the 4+3 manual that got some weird gear splitting from the ecm, I wonder if anyone has tried one of those chips on a 5.0 with a 5-speed, I know that I have not seen any adverse affects of the stock 5.7 chip on my t/a
Part Number: 154371 is a California legal chip for the 84 vette w/manual trans but I think those had the 4+3 manual that got some weird gear splitting from the ecm, I wonder if anyone has tried one of those chips on a 5.0 with a 5-speed, I know that I have not seen any adverse affects of the stock 5.7 chip on my t/a
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Re: TBI manual swap problems??
i would think the ECM from a vette would have different programming because its for a 350. the chip size however i have no clue. i would think they would all be interchangable because they are all crossfire ECMs and i would think they would be the same model ECM
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From: Redding,Ca
Car: 83 z28/ 82 trans am
Engine: stock? 305 w/crossfire
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73/stock 2.98?
Re: TBI manual swap problems??
:the 82 t/a and 83 Camaro are different, but the 83 camaro and 84 vette use the same ecm.
but anyway... I just found that jet proformance sells a chip that they claim will work in a 83 5-speed tbi camaro, so I just went to their website and asked about using that chip in a conversion such as ours..I will post what answer I get. mabe that will be the easyest option for keping the computer from saying "WTF!" plus if there is any power gain, even better
but anyway... I just found that jet proformance sells a chip that they claim will work in a 83 5-speed tbi camaro, so I just went to their website and asked about using that chip in a conversion such as ours..I will post what answer I get. mabe that will be the easyest option for keping the computer from saying "WTF!" plus if there is any power gain, even better

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From: Redding,Ca
Car: 83 z28/ 82 trans am
Engine: stock? 305 w/crossfire
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.73/stock 2.98?
Re: TBI manual swap problems??
I got an e-mail back, and I don't think they understoot my question, they told me that the chip will not help my transmission.
Re: TBI manual swap problems??
I dont know what a crossfire injection is, but I switched to T5 from A4 and did not change the ecm. Mine is a 89 TBI L03 Camaro.
However I just bought a manual ECM to replace the auto. I have noticed a change in RPM, it's a little higher and to bring it down I just need to tap on gas and it comes right down. I believe I need to install a spring on the Throttle, but since the ecm was California and I hear FED is better performance wise I just went for the ecm swap.
However I just bought a manual ECM to replace the auto. I have noticed a change in RPM, it's a little higher and to bring it down I just need to tap on gas and it comes right down. I believe I need to install a spring on the Throttle, but since the ecm was California and I hear FED is better performance wise I just went for the ecm swap.
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