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Old Aug 31, 2002 | 07:18 PM
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Car: 82 Z-28
Engine: 383 TPI
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Which heads?

I'm in search of the perfect heads for my 383 TPI project.

They need to have:
180cc intake runners
1.94 or 2.02 intakes
1.5 or 1.6 exhaust
EGR passages
64CC chambers (58CC if alum)
Able to accept ~1.4" springs and a .560 exh lift w/o too much added expense (to support the LPE cam I want to use).
Screw in rocker studs
A combustion chamber design geared towards mid-range torque.

The lack of EGR passages rules out the Vortecs', the Corvette L98s', and quite a few of the aftermarket options.

Any suggestions??
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Old Aug 31, 2002 | 08:41 PM
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If you have the money, I'd get AFR 190's, although they do make a 180cc head too. Just curious, why the 180cc?
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Old Aug 31, 2002 | 08:46 PM
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Port and polish a set of 305 heads. You can hog out the intake runners easily enough, machine the spring seats out and use a little thicker gasket to get it out to 64cc. Then have the intake seats opened up for 1.94 valves.

A little bowl blending and exhaust polishing and you are set. They will flow just like a set of Vortecs.

No kidding, people are turning to these 305 heads left, right and centre--simply because you can MAKE them into whatever you want.

350 heads are often just too large in critical areas, while the 305s can be shaped outward.
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Old Aug 31, 2002 | 09:07 PM
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Umm....

I respectfully disagree with that last post.

All that work and you could have bought the vortecs which with a little more work would be great. I would port some 305 heads for a 305 or a low buck 350 but not a 383 that you want to go fast.

The other big thing is= "Add a thicker head gasket to lower the compression".
This is a horrible Idea. Have you ever heard of quench? the only way that would work is if the block was a true zero deck and you used a gasket less than .050 Which would not get streetable compression on a 383.

Personally I would check out world products or Pro-topline. Maybee some L98 allums? Idont know much about them though.
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Old Aug 31, 2002 | 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Dan94GT
Umm....

I respectfully disagree with that last post.

All that work and you could have bought the vortecs which with a little more work would be great. I would port some 305 heads for a 305 or a low buck 350 but not a 383 that you want to go fast.

The other big thing is= "Add a thicker head gasket to lower the compression".
This is a horrible Idea. Have you ever heard of quench? the only way that would work is if the block was a true zero deck and you used a gasket less than .050 Which would not get streetable compression on a 383.

Personally I would check out world products or Pro-topline. Maybee some L98 allums? Idont know much about them though.
Well, go for Vortecs and then you must also change your manifold. For TPI that means a Scoggins-Dickey outfit at $400 a pop. Suddenly the Vortecs are not so attractive.

F-Bird'88 is, in fact, getting Vortec flow bench numbers from his 305 castings. I also just did a set according to his instructions. Trust me, they work

To achieve an increase in combustion chamber size of a mere 6 CCs (58cc to 64cc) would not even require a head gasket of .050 in thickness. Probably .025 would do it, considering a stock 305 uses .015 shim gaskets to achieve 58 CCs.

305 heads can be had for a song, maybe $40 for the set at a wrecker! All of the machine work, valves, springs, etc., will run maybe another $300 tops. Then you put in 20 hours of your own time in porting, polishing, etc.

That's maybe $400 all told for a set of KILLER heads that will match up perfectly to his current TPI intake and flow like crazy :hail:

Compare a set of World Products heads at $750 or so, or the Vortecs and accompanying intake at $850 minumum.

So, now that your concerns are addressed, I expect that you will endorse my recommendations quite heartily, eh?

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Old Aug 31, 2002 | 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Dan94GT
All that work and you could have bought the vortecs which with a little more work would be great. Maybee some L98 allums? Idont know much about them though.
Hmm obviously you failed to read the original post.....

Originally posted by ZZ28ZZ
The lack of EGR passages rules out the Vortecs', the Corvette L98s', and quite a few of the aftermarket options.
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Old Sep 1, 2002 | 01:42 AM
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You could improve your stock TPI heads. They have a few things
going for them.
1. You allready own them.
Give them a good porting and add new 1.94x1.60 valves
along with a 3 angle valve job and you'll have a good
moderate performance street head.
I'd favour the 081 or 083 TPI castings.
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Old Sep 4, 2002 | 02:02 PM
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Thx for the replies!

I have the 083 castings now.
There are 2 things holding me back from using them:

Price: By the time I have replaced all the parts and paid for the machine work, I will have spent close to what new heads cost.

Porting: I don't know enough abt it to be able to get matching/optimal flow on all cyls. Having it done is cost prohibitive. Polishing although wouldn't be a problem.


I haven't considered the 305 heads before, but the porting work concerns me.

I was thinking the AFRs didn't have EGR passages. I may be wrong abt that. New ones are also kinda expensive for by budget.

I'm aiming for 180cc runners cause that is what Lingenfelter recommends (for 350-383 street engines).
I'm trying to use one of the LPE engines as a model.

Any other suggestions?

Is it possible to make an EGR passage in a Corvette L98 head?
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Old Sep 4, 2002 | 06:26 PM
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You could rig up an external EGR setup deal for the L98 heads where it taps into the exhaust manifold and reintroduces it in the intake manifold. I don't know why anyone would go through so much trouble to use L98 heads.....
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Old Sep 4, 2002 | 07:05 PM
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Click here for a downloadable guide to porting and polishing:

http://www.sa-motorsports.com/portdiy/diyport.pdf

Then read this thread:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=117410
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