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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 07:08 PM
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Vader, question for you about storing on jackstands..

I put my car on jackstands. I asked around and everybody told me it was safe. I put the stands on the suspension, not the subframe. I have SFCs too if that matters.

Anyhow, front ones are on the control arms, and back ones are also on the lower control arms because i couldn't get it on the axle (sway bar was in the way). Anyhow people are telling me on the board that it will ruin my unibody...

I think they're all wrong and I have a million people backing me up. Take a look, what do you think?
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 07:09 PM
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 07:10 PM
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 07:22 PM
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Well, just to let you know, Vader doesn't like people puttin his name in a topic, he prefers to PM him, if you really want him to reply.

Maybe you'll get lucky the man we call "Vader" will grace this thread.
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 07:26 PM
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lol Vader is the best though. He has 8000 posts, and helps EVERYBODY on this board. You have 12000 posts, and you help NOBODY on this board. lol... that guy knows everything and anything about a camaro. He is a ***. You are a dog. :P
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 07:26 PM
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lol Vader is the best though. He has 8000 posts, and helps EVERYBODY on this board. You have 12000 posts, and you help NOBODY on this board. lol... that guy knows everything and anything about a camaro. He is a ***. You are a dog. :P
um ok, gee thanks, I do happen to help a lot, even though I BS a lot.

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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 07:28 PM
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um ok, gee thanks, I do happen to help a lot, even though I BS a little.
lol i was being sarcastic you don't have to pm me and call me rude :P


the only reason i started this thread is because i wanted to show vader the pictures, can't do that in a PM. and they told me to ask vader on the other board... so...
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 07:30 PM
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lol i was being sarcastic you don't have to pm me and call me rude :P


the only reason i started this thread is because i wanted to show vader the pictures, can't do that in a PM. and they told me to ask vader on the other board... so...
lol, I got ya, I didn't think about the pic thing.
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 08:07 PM
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geez....you guys are scrapping it out....just like on the Ontario board, makes me feel at home!
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 08:08 PM
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Personally I would have the stands under the front a-arms and under the rear axle. That way the suspension doesn't hang down. There no way it would hurt the car because the car would still be supported by the suspension.

It sounds like you have it as best as possible because of the rear sway bar. As long as the rear stands are as close to the axle as possible it shouldn't hurt the LCA. Either way, the car body is still being supported by the factory suspension. Just make sure the stands are the same height at the front and the same height at the rear. That way there's no side to side height difference. Do a quick measurement to the top of the wheel well to the floor. If it's sitting square side to side then the car will be fine.
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 08:18 PM
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I hope you have some super strong aftermarket rear control arms. One late night I bent the hell out of mine thinking I could put a jack stand under it. Gave myself one more reason to get a pair of lakewoods. In the future i would never support any car by the rear lower control arms. Bending them could change your rear alignment, and if you're using factory ones, they are weak enough as it is, they cant handle the slightest dent, bend, or anything else. Just been my experience, I dont mean to be the profit of doom.
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 08:28 PM
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Easy....the guy has a good point about the rear LCA's. On a rear end I recently picked up with the LCA's still attached one was all bent to crap, I suspect from a jackstand. Anyways not a big deal or anything since I wasnt planning on using them anyways.

Regardless if you do find that you do end up bending one of yours this year, dont sweat it, I will have an extra set you can have next year once i swap in my new rear end and the lakewoods LCA's I picked up last weekend.
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 11:58 PM
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one side says one thing

other side says another

i'll keep on it for now see what happens...
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Old Nov 12, 2002 | 07:51 AM
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Why store it anyway? Just send it down to me here in Texas and I'll keep all the fluids circulated for ya! I'll send it back when I'm done with...er...I'll send it back when the snow melts.
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Old Nov 13, 2002 | 07:58 AM
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Old Nov 13, 2002 | 05:18 PM
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You've got mail...
Thanks Vader, appreciate it.
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Old Nov 13, 2002 | 10:29 PM
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Jackstands in a parking garage! You are a brave soul. Hope no stupid person hits it and knocks it off!!!
I regularly put jackstands under my Lakewood LCA's with no problems or damage.
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Old Nov 13, 2002 | 10:35 PM
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Jackstands in a parking garage! You are a brave soul. Hope no stupid person hits it and knocks it off!!!
I regularly put jackstands under my Lakewood LCA's with no problems or damage.
LOL, that's what I told him about people bein dumb, he said there are like 3 cameras though right on his car.
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Old Nov 14, 2002 | 01:20 AM
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lol let me ellaborate on the underground garage. It's underneath an apartment building by my house. To get in the apartment building you have to be a home-owner in the neighborhood and buy a special laser-cut security key from them. These keys cannot be duplicated. They charge $50 per key and keep a list of who buys one.

There is a camera on every entrance to the apartment building. In the building itself there are cameras everywhere, in the elevators, in the basement halls, and in every row of the underground parking garage, including the entrances. Heck a friend of mine who parks his bike there leaves his bike jacket and helmet just on the bike.

On top of that there are security guards patrolling all the time. They all know my car, they love it, and they keep their eye out for it. You should see, whenever I go to my car and pop the hood, literally 20 seconds later there are 2 guards downstairs about to beat me with a club... they see everything on camera hehe.

BTW, you can't tip my car over no matter how hard you tried. I put it on the jacks very securely. :hail:
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Old Nov 14, 2002 | 07:22 AM
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ya bastard, i wish i had a place like that to store cars.....oh well, i don't need it now but once i get my new rims, paint, top, interior...oh boy, i am not gonna want to take it out even if it is cloudy.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 02:17 PM
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ok

If it is so heavily guarded...then why store it on jackstands?
Why not put the wheels back on?
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 02:28 PM
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Re: ok

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If it is so heavily guarded...then why store it on jackstands?
Why not put the wheels back on?
Because, letting tires sit on cement that long is not good for them. He's not worried about wheel theft.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 03:15 PM
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Ah, don't listen to them [the people telling you that's wrong]. They don't know what they're talking about. Storing it with a loaded suspension is the same as the way the car sits any other time in it's life, you're just protecting the tires, that's all. That's the right way to do it.

I think the control arms are okay to use, but only if it's absolutely the only place you can place the stands, and then I'd use a short 2x4 to spread the load over the whole arm.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 05:29 PM
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ok.....you lost me here. why would you put the jacks on the suspension? I always thought the point to jacking a car up during storage was to give the suspension a break.

If you jack it up on the suspension.....that's just the same as parking the car there with the tires on.

If you're worried about getting *flat* spots (which is mostly a myth) just put about 5 or 10 psi more in the tires.
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Old Nov 16, 2002 | 03:18 AM
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ok.....you lost me here. why would you put the jacks on the suspension? I always thought the point to jacking a car up during storage was to give the suspension a break.

If you jack it up on the suspension.....that's just the same as parking the car there with the tires on.

If you're worried about getting *flat* spots (which is mostly a myth) just put about 5 or 10 psi more in the tires.
you have to jack it up by the suspension...

if you jacked it up by let's say the subframe or something, then the suspension would be hanging down... air will get in the suspension and rust it out, not to mention seize it....
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Old Nov 16, 2002 | 10:08 AM
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Flat spots aren't going to be a problem in a parking garage where you have some degree of climate control (or supression) and shelter from sunlight, but they're certainly not a myth. And myth or not, I'm damn sure not going to take that chance when I'm running $700 worth of tires.
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Old Nov 16, 2002 | 05:05 PM
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air will get into the suspension....?!

What the hell does that mean? air is always in the suspension.

Maybe you're talking about shock absorbers?? If so, if air gets into your shocks, they're bad in the first place.

Everything else in the suspension is rubber bushings, and steel springs and a-arms and such.

But....lets say air did get in somehow....how would it rust it?

You're car stands around in air all day and it dosnt rust right? What causes rusts is having your car in an damp environment.

You guys are just making less and less sense....
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