Starting for the first time, issues
Starting for the first time, issues
I have Primed the eng. The battery is brand new. I went by the book on how to run the plug wires. Dist. face, is facing towards the #1 cylinder. Dist. is fastened down. Fuel is running through the regulator and the jets on the carb. are shooting fuel in just fine. NOW, when I go to crank, the eng rotates. but will not start. Choke is closed. When I give it gas at the same time, there are a few "pops" out the exhaust(like it wants to start), and then a big puff of smoke shoots out the carb. My guess is that is a brief flame. So, how can this be corrected?
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It can be corrected by putting the distributor in right. It is 180° out. You have it on #1 TDC, but not the instance of #1 TDC that's #1 firing; you have it at the instance of #1 TDC that's the end of the exhaust stroke and the beginning of the intake stroke, and that is also #6 firing.
TDC is top dead center , when the #1 cylinder is all the way up.
you can remove that spark plug in #1 cylinder , put your finger over the hole while your buddy rotates the engine until your fingers gets pushed off due to compression (you'll notice , lol).
then pull out the distributor and put it back in again when it's pointing towards #1.
you can remove that spark plug in #1 cylinder , put your finger over the hole while your buddy rotates the engine until your fingers gets pushed off due to compression (you'll notice , lol).
then pull out the distributor and put it back in again when it's pointing towards #1.
it's not tough , I"m sure you have the distributor 180degrees off , easy to screw up and I always do it , lol.
just keep trying and don't have an air cleaner on your carb , mine was shooting up 3 foot flames while trying to start it so anything flammable should be out of the way (including your face, LOL).
just keep trying and don't have an air cleaner on your carb , mine was shooting up 3 foot flames while trying to start it so anything flammable should be out of the way (including your face, LOL).
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Yeah, everytime i have taken a dist off, i seem to get that prob everytime. It just I put this whole thing together, and its my first doing everything and I wasn't sure if that was it. But it reminds me of the same thing from b4. So hopefully thats the prob and then it will fire and I can fine tune it afterwards.
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please don't "walk" the plug wires. for some reason this doesn't work as well as doing it right. Here's what I usually do. I take the cap and where #1 wire plugs in I go down and make a mark on the distributor. Install the dist. with the rotor pointing at the mark once you get the #1 piston at BTDC.
Ok, The way it looks, there is only two places where the distributor seats all the way down. After I bump the eng and put the #1 in TDC, b4 i pulled pulled the dist. out the pointer is facing the passenger side. Now when I pull it out, and reseat it, the only other place that lets the dist seat all the way down, the pointer is facing inbetween the #5 and #7. Is this ok or what am I doing wrong?
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my new demon done that....... i don't know why either.. try just bumping the engine... thats how mine first started with the new demon i had.... just barley carnk it and she fires right up... but if ya crank for a while then she dosen't want to start.. and my timing is right on to.....
usually that puff says it's flooded... make sure your choke is open all the way.. this might help get the rich condition enough to where she will fire up.... if it shooting a flame then your timing is off...
usually that puff says it's flooded... make sure your choke is open all the way.. this might help get the rich condition enough to where she will fire up.... if it shooting a flame then your timing is off...
how would i fix the timing, is there a preset i need to set it to. I have the the #1 fireing pin facing teh the #1 eng. Is that right?...i just checked it, and i opened the choke, but puff of smoke is coming from it. LIke its cuffing hehe.
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they way to get the timing right enough for her to fire is simple.....
once your sure that you have it near the right place, or not 180 off, then your almost home free.....
the puff of smoke is it being rich at the same time popping through the carb, signifying the timing is slightly off.....
put your dist in and have the hold down loose enough to where you can turn the dist, but not loose enough for the engine to turn it...
turn the dist slightly 1 way and crank it, if it tries to pickup and run then you are really in the neighborhood..... if it just cranks then you probably turned it the wrong way, so you will need to turn it back where you started from....
now if it backfires through the intake with a flame and absolutly refuses to fire then 9 out of 10 times your 180 off... learned that from a friend.. (looks at bluegrassz)
normally when your close it won't backfire vilolently.... just a put put or a poof like you have now....
once your sure that you have it near the right place, or not 180 off, then your almost home free.....
the puff of smoke is it being rich at the same time popping through the carb, signifying the timing is slightly off.....
put your dist in and have the hold down loose enough to where you can turn the dist, but not loose enough for the engine to turn it...
turn the dist slightly 1 way and crank it, if it tries to pickup and run then you are really in the neighborhood..... if it just cranks then you probably turned it the wrong way, so you will need to turn it back where you started from....
now if it backfires through the intake with a flame and absolutly refuses to fire then 9 out of 10 times your 180 off... learned that from a friend.. (looks at bluegrassz)
normally when your close it won't backfire vilolently.... just a put put or a poof like you have now....
Well, I got it started. But it will not stay on. My guess is that the timing is off, or the carb needs adjusting, or (the big one) my stock electric fuel pump is not working right.
So, far the eng will crank and stay fired for about 30 secs. When I try to give it gas, it will "choke" or delay and the eng wants to die out when I get it close to 3000rpm. And sometimes when I'm cranking, a puff of smoke comes from carb. I checked the timing and it is somewhere between 0 to 4 degrees forward. Is this going in the right direction and where should it be set at? Someone said start off with 12 degrees forward.
I'm not gonna mess with the carb until the timing is right.
when I turn the key to the on position(with eng not started) I can see and hear the fuel going in the carb(initial fuel delivery by electric pump) without me pushing on the throttle. But I dont think that the electric pump doesn't know when to turn back on cause the ECM is not controlling the eng anymore. Am I wrong about this or is the thing really working right like its suppose to even without the ECM?
So, far the eng will crank and stay fired for about 30 secs. When I try to give it gas, it will "choke" or delay and the eng wants to die out when I get it close to 3000rpm. And sometimes when I'm cranking, a puff of smoke comes from carb. I checked the timing and it is somewhere between 0 to 4 degrees forward. Is this going in the right direction and where should it be set at? Someone said start off with 12 degrees forward.
I'm not gonna mess with the carb until the timing is right.
when I turn the key to the on position(with eng not started) I can see and hear the fuel going in the carb(initial fuel delivery by electric pump) without me pushing on the throttle. But I dont think that the electric pump doesn't know when to turn back on cause the ECM is not controlling the eng anymore. Am I wrong about this or is the thing really working right like its suppose to even without the ECM?
BadGTA, are you still using the stock "in-tank" electric fuel pump, with regulator? If not, what are you using? Cause if I can't get it to work right then, I'm either gonna run a mech. fuel pump, or just go get a muilti-point by holley. Most likely just the mech fuel pump and pull the in-tank pump and whatever.
Also, are you using cat.s on your exhaust? And how did you get Duals under there. Cause, I'm using a 40 series FLowmaster too, but I want two them.
Also, are you using cat.s on your exhaust? And how did you get Duals under there. Cause, I'm using a 40 series FLowmaster too, but I want two them.
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