I was looking to upgrade my oil pump and i was wondering what does everyone recomend.I definately want something better than stock. Something good for a car with some mild performance. Preferably something with the pick up already attatched to it....Thanks... Al in NJ

 

You won't find anything with the pickup already attached. Any racing pump will come as a pump, and then you fit the pickup to whatever racing pan you're using.

From your description of your motor, it sounds like you're in no danger of your needs exceeding the output of a properly set up stock pump. There's nothing to be gained from anything more as long as your short block is anywhere close to stock. All that a "bigger" pump will do is use up more HP, create distributor gear wear, and otherwise work against you.

I'd suggest a Melling M-55; a Mr Gasket 26 pressure regulator spring; a Melling 55-S screen; and a Melling IS-55E drive shaft with a metal collar. That's what I've run in alot of motors with alot of power over the years. If you're worried about your pickup falling off, then braze it to the pump cover; or get one of those bolt-on pickup retainers; or bolt a retainer of your own design to the pump, and tack-weld it to the pickup after you get it adjusted to the correct depth for your pan.

 

I second the Melling M-55 high volume. great pump, no problems to date. And for ~$22 at Summit, you get a great pump for a good price.

 

I'd use a regular M55, not a HV. $11 at Auto Zone.

 

My bad, i though you were indicating the M55 high volume. Do what RB says, he has more experience than me.

 

If you braze the pickup onto your pump, I've always heard you should take out the spring while you're doing it.

 

If you braze or silver solder the pickup in place, there is no need to remove the spring and ball. If you weld with an arc welder of any kind, it's a good idea to remove the relief valve parts to ensure that the ball and spring aren't inadvertently welded together or to the seat.


Actually, I believe the Melling pump uses a disc, not a ball, but the conventions are the same.

 

Only consider going high volume if you plan to run remote oil cooling or real loose bearing clearance, a "stock" pump is fine in almost all other cases, pressure depends on RPM range.

I like the bolt on arms that hold the pickup in place, 6$ @ Jegs.

 

all i've used in a long time is melling stock type pumps, mr gasket #26 spring in SBC pumps and arp solid drive shaft. i weld a brace to the pick up and bolt it to the pump body.

 

Man, that's weird..what works, works huh?

M55 pump...

I use a GM spring though...got the number around here somewhere..


And check the back of one of the car rags, last few motors I built, I used the bolt on bracket for the oil pump pickup...they advertise in 'em..it was dirt cheap too and a good design.

 

And we have a WINNER!!

Just had a Melling apart and it was a disc.

 

Summit has a H/V pump that has the pick up already welded on the P/N is (Summit H.V. SES-3-60-08-001) price $54.95

 

If the pickups already welded on how do you move it to get it close to your pan?

 

You can see in the pic that it is about level with the bottom of the pump that puts it close to but not on the bottom of a stock style pan

 

i think for 35 less dolalrs i'll run a m55 and locate and weld the pick up myself.

 

Summit also has a new "oil pump pickup retainer" $8.95 that bolts the pickup on, it is in the middle of page 124 of the new april book.

we needed the pick up also so it wound up only being a couple of bucks more

 

so you guys think its best i dont go with anything that is high volume or high pressure???

 

Let me summarize:

Skip the high volume. Get a regular M55 pump. Put the Mr Gasket 26 pressure regulator spring in it, which makes it a high pressure pump for about half the cost of buying a high pressure pump. Weld, braze, or bolt the pickup tube in place. Use a metal-sleeved drive shaft. Use a new Melling 55-S screen.

 

:werd:

 

Is that 55-s screen one of those that is "for stock pans only?" or can it be used with the Moroso street/strip series.

 

THey have a bunch of part #s for M55 screens.... 55-S, -S1, -S2, etc. The -S is the one that fits these cars' pans. Some of the others might fit the Moroso pans, I don't know. You could get soembody at Auto Zone to bring you out one of each, and look at them, and see if one fits whatever you're wanting to use it with.

Also, some of the oil pan mfrs offer pickups specifically for their pans, to fit on either a M-55 or M-77 pump. I've used the M-77 before on engines that had grooved main bearings and stuff like that, that increased the engine's oil flow requirements.

 

What do you think about this kit from Summit? I'm quite sure the pump comes from Melling; at last Summit sells Melling one in HV kit. Add mysthic #26 spring and you've full setup for $42.90, voila1 :lala:

 

Funny thing; taken from the description:

"A high volume oil pump with a matched pickup included.

Chevrolet: 1965-92 262-400 passenger car and 1/2 ton pickup, 1976-79 Corvette, standard volume, oil pump combo"

In the printed catalog it's stated clearly - standard volume.

I wonder if "included pickup" equals "already welded pickup"; I'd rather weld it myself after checking pan clearance.