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Old Jan 24, 2001 | 11:50 PM
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Battery Relocation Questions

My under warranty battery died a while back when my car sat for a couple months, and I couldn't find the reciept, so I bought a new one. Well, I found my reciept recently and I got another brand new replacement for free (the one that died was only 15 months old). The new one was just sitting in my room, and I figured I'd see if I could mount it in the hatch.

I already have 4 guage power wire running to the hatch for my an amplifier.. can that wire be used for my + power cable? Do I need a thicker guage? What about my ground.. do I have to run a ground cable all the way from the engine compartment? I am assuming I can't just ground it somewhere to the body of the car.

I was able to fit the battery in the lock box in the trunk. It seemed like a good fit, and looks clean. Has anyone done this? Do I really need a box and to vent the battery outside? I know it's not NHRA legal to not use a approved box, so I figured if I went to the track, I would put my old battery back under the hood, or if its not too tough to make it legal, just do what I need to make it pass regulations.

I don't want to put the battery in the spare tire compartment, as I was planning on mounting my NOS bottle there, and I would like to not have the battery showing.. so I figured that lock box would be pretty good.. is there any reason I can't use that area?

Does anyone have any pictures of their re-located batteries or any suggestions? Thanks.


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Old Jan 25, 2001 | 07:50 AM
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The lock box area on the side is just cardboard. It won't hold a battery for long.

To be legal, you need an approved sealed and vented box with 2 3/8in bolts. You will also need a cutoff switch mounted on the outside of the car. I converted mine to a push/pull style. 4ga is too small. I run 1/0, but you could probably get away with 1 size smaller. The best way to ground the battery is to the engine as that's where the starter is grounded. Then run a chassis ground in the front and the rear of the car. There are a few pics of mine on my page.

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Old Feb 4, 2001 | 04:07 PM
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think i could use the polyethylene summit battery relocator box? its only $11 for the box and i can get all the cables for under $20 at work. i figure i'll mount it where the spare was, and figure a way to vent it. last thing i might need a cut-off switch and i should be good to go.

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Old Feb 4, 2001 | 06:31 PM
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That box isn't an approved sealed box. It's only a marine style box. Since third gens don't have a "trunk" that kind of box won't pass tech. You need a sealed box that's vented to the outside or fabricate some sort of firewall to isolate the battery from the inside of the car.

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Old Feb 25, 2001 | 08:03 PM
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i got the moroso sealed/vented box and found no way to make it fit behind the plastic panels. the passenger side has the most room but the box was about an inch too wide. maybe the cheap box will fit, it is a bit smaller and could easily be vented and proper latching made.
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Old Feb 25, 2001 | 08:14 PM
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i think the moroso box is the only one NHRA accepts. i mounted mine in the rear sump and the master kill switch in the black panel of the right tail light.

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Old Feb 25, 2001 | 08:41 PM
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One of the parts stores here (Mopac) also sells NHRA approved aluminum sealed boxes. They're much smaller than the Moroso box and still hold a series 24 battery. I don't know what brand they are.
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Old Feb 25, 2001 | 09:15 PM
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hmmmm, I mounted my Moroso box (or was it Mr. Gasket) in the spare tire compartment without any problems. I also mounted the cutoff switch exactly where Ede did.

After a suggestion from a kid at Napa also running a battery in the back I got a non-spillable, deep cell battery for just over $100. He said it will prevent me from getting light-headed from fumes with the battery in the car, but will I still need to have the box vented for NHRA legality?

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Old Feb 25, 2001 | 09:28 PM
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I just located my battery to the trunk, It is a large battery but it is one of those totally sealed batteries, I can tip it upside down and it does not leak. It is in a marine battery box, I have 2 guage running to the starter and 2 guage to the body(I have good power readings on the ground at the front of the car so i think it is ok. Does anyone know if having a battery like this is NHRA legal or does it have to be in one of those box's. Please help, I want to run my car down the track a few times this summer.

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Old Feb 25, 2001 | 09:43 PM
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Racers have been fighting the rules for a while now. Even sealed batteries like Optima that can be mounted in any position still must be mounted in a sealed and vented box if installed in the drivers compartment such as a third gen.

Until the NHRA starts allowing a sealed battery to be mounted inside the drivers compartment it must still be mounted in a sealed and vented box. The marine box will not pass a tech inspection in a third gen.
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Old Feb 26, 2001 | 04:54 PM
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Thanks for the heads-up Stephen.
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Old Feb 26, 2001 | 08:54 PM
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Preferably it should also be mounted as far toward the pass side

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Old Feb 26, 2001 | 09:07 PM
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The added weight over the passenger rear wheel only helps if your suspension is too soft allowing that wheel to lift (stock type suspension). If you have better suspension or even air bags in the springs or at least on the passenger side then a central rear location is fine.
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Old Feb 26, 2001 | 10:42 PM
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It's funny how I've done everything from remove the heater/ac to convert to manual steering and just now did the swap relocation. The damn thing is so heavy, I probably will benefit just as much if not more by moving it for weight transfer. And since I don't have any money for a new rear suspension, being over the pass. tire will help.
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Old Feb 26, 2001 | 11:02 PM
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figure I should post this since I took some pictures the other day...2 problems with this I see, though.

Probably illegal since it's mounted to plastic instead of the frame and the black piece covering it snapped off so now I need to make another one...I think this time I'm gonna make a hinge for it though instead of just bending it out of the way.

What I did was take off the **** to turn off the switch, drilled a hole in it and put it on my keychain. Easy way to prevent theft unless they know about the disconnect and have a pair of plyers to turn it. At the track, I'll just screw the **** back on and take off the plastic cover so it's visible at all times.

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