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Need references for ram/reversion tuning (Hemholtz effect)

Old Feb 16, 2001 | 10:12 PM
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Need references for ram/reversion tuning (Hemholtz effect)

I am looking for any reference/physics/performance books/links dealing with intake and exhaust tuning, in particular anything that clearly references and defines tube and ram tuning. So far all I have found is that the phenomenon is called the Hemholtz effect, and IROCKZ4me was kind enough to forward the name of one of the books I have been looking for. For anyone interested:
The Scientific Design of Exhaust and Intake Systems
by: Philip Hubert Smith & John C. Morrison
ISBN: 0837603099
I have done a few searches on the net, however, I have not found anything of relevance. If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it.


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Old Feb 23, 2001 | 07:22 PM
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Old Feb 24, 2001 | 01:19 PM
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David Vizard addresses it in this book.
http://search.borders.com/fcgi-bin/d...prodID=4470884

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Old Feb 25, 2001 | 08:36 AM
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Old Mar 15, 2001 | 03:31 AM
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You can also learn about the Helmholtz effect & resonate tuning in audio/acoustic engineerig books. Especially ones with sections (or entire content) on speaker enclosure design (particularly port tuned {ported} enclosures). The same formulas apply.

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Old Mar 15, 2001 | 04:16 AM
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You can get a little info here, http://pdmec8.mecc.unipd.it/~cos/DIN...suonatore.html
Mostly relating to helmholtz resonators pertaining to intake ports, plenums & intake tract acoustic dampers.

Just out of curiosity, are you designing an intake system, writing a term/technical paper, or an article?

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Old Mar 15, 2001 | 08:32 PM
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SHAWEEEETTT!!!

Actually I have two or three designs for intakes I'm working on. I just need to find somewhere around here to pop a dyno tune for a day that won't cost me a weeks pay!

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Old Mar 15, 2001 | 09:45 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Red Devil:
Actually I have two or three designs for intakes I'm working on.</font>
I wonder if you are doing what I was gonna try next?
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Old Mar 15, 2001 | 09:50 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by madmax:
I wonder if you are doing what I was gonna try next?</font>
Max,

Does it involve a "fluid" intake runner design?

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RD,

I'll bet you're getting all stiff and wet over that last site - there's a lot of good data there...

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Old Mar 15, 2001 | 09:51 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by madmax:
I wonder if you are doing what I was gonna try next?</font>
And I thought I had convinced you into some welding equipment for the current project!
Actually, if you want you can e-mail me and we can play again (hell I always l;ike to bounce ideas around). I think in my last e-mail to you I alluded to the two concepts I will be exploring, and I think we touched on your project and the one I had hacked on a few years back. Go with the hogged out SLPs and reweld the inlets, you'll like!
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Old Mar 15, 2001 | 10:00 PM
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Vader, yea thats the idea. I was hoping I could save some time and effort, and 'borrow' a section of a part from another car, but Brand F and Brand C dont mix well sometimes. Guess I have to take the long route, unless RD is already where I was headed.

That website... I tried reading that, and gave up LOL! Maybe in about 6 months....

RD Ill send ya an email.
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Old Mar 15, 2001 | 10:04 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Vader:
RD,

I'll bet you're getting all stiff and wet over that last site - there's a lot of good data there...

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I reserve my rights under pains and penalties of the law and only offer a 'No Comment'. I just have to figure out some of the graphical references now. There goes my weekend.

BTW does anyone know where to get the following books at a more reasonable price?? I will buy used:

Acoustics of Ducts and Mufflers
Manchar Lal Munjal
$160.00
ISBN: 0471847380
Publisher: Wiley, John & Sons, Incorporated

Catalyst and Emission Technology: Twenty-Four Papers
Society Of Automotive Engineers Incorporated (Editor)
ISBN: 1560913533

Design and Simulation of Four-Stroke Engines
Gordon P. Blair
$99.00
ISBN: 0768004403

Factors Influencig Emissions and Emissions Formation Processes
Society of Automotive Engineers Incorporated (Editor)
ISBN: 0768000033

Fundamentals of Vehicle Dynamics
Thomas D. Gillespie
$69.00
ISBN: 1560911999

Thanks!!

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Originally posted by Vader:
RD,
I'll bet you're getting all stiff and wet over that last site - there's a lot of good data there...
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I reserve my rights under pains and penalties of the law and only offer a 'No Comment'. I just have to figure out some of the graphical references now. There goes my weekend.
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LOL, I thought you might like it but I didn't mean to butcher your weekend.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">BTW does anyone know where to get the following books at a more reasonable price?? I will buy used:
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If you haven't checked your public library system you might want to give it a try. Even though they won't likey have any of them they might participate in a "search & lend" program with other library branches and/or systems.
Don't forget to check with the libraries of universities, colleges, tech schools, etc. I wouldn't hold my breath, but Ebay might be useful.
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