anyone have suggestions?

keep in mind, this is on a budget. i kno hp cost $.

would also like to keep the hp at a low rpm. so im thinkin 383. need help with head an cam choices.

would i be able to see low 12's with 450?

 

Define budget.

The lower the rpm the harder it is to make hp, the more CI required. A low rpm torque motor is also slower and harder to hook up.

Build a mild 350 with a forged bottom end and spray it. Low 12's no problem. Cheap and effective.

Oh and toss the tpi too

*boom* thats your tranny and rear end, figure them in also.

 

Do a search for a guy named GASGZLR he is running mid 12's with a T-5 and a very streetable 350. If I were you I would mimic his exact setup. I think he just changed a few things though so just look at some of his older posts. He was basically runnin vortec heads and an Lt4 hot cam. Good Luck.

 

i doubt you willsee 450 hp with vortec heads and an lt4 hot cam. scoggins dickey makes a crate with that setup and it makes 357 hp with edelbrock runners, 52mm tb, and headers. even if you carb it you aren't getting 450 hp.

 

Just like he said, a good bottom end with a free flowing intake and exhaust, and a Spray!! There is a guy on here who lives in my area (he is selling his car so this is the only reason I would post an other persons times) but he has a forged bottom end and some intake and exhaust work on a L98 with spray and is running 12s. But make sure your trans and rear can hold it, that is if you hook.

Kevin

 

I have seen some guys on here with a carbed-vortec headed 350 with something like a comp xe276hr cam running mid 12's..

I dont know about how much hp they are putting out. Also a good stall and trans makes a big difference in your et's.

Question is do you just want 450 hp or just to run 12's If it is to run 12's, then you may not need 450hp.


Oh yeah, nice avatar!!!!!

 

Question is do you just want 450 hp or just to run 12's If it is to run 12's, then you may not need 450hp.


Oh yeah, nice avatar!!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]


thanx.

well id guess id like to see 12's. id prob only be at the track a few times, but id like to kno what my car can do.

id also like to have it streetable. so maybe not even 450? maybe closer to 400??

i prob would go forged, but maybe some like vortecs, trickflow, AFR's and a comp cam?? dunno what specs tho?

what ur guys thought on that possible combo???

 

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thanx.

well id guess id like to see 12's. id prob only be at the track a few times, but id like to kno what my car can do.

id also like to have it streetable. so maybe not even 450? maybe closer to 400??

i prob would go forged, but maybe some like vortecs, trickflow, AFR's and a comp cam?? dunno what specs tho?

what ur guys thought on that possible combo??? [/B][/QUOTE]

I would say go with either the trickflows, or afr's.

What kind of induction are you going with? Fuel injection or carb?

 

carb.


hopefully, i wanna keep the engine comp. clean as can be. no extras like A/C and all the other crap. just the bare essentials.

i kno the AFR'S are pretty popular, but i havent heard too many people with the trickflows. dont the make a head and cam combo?

 

Trickflows are an excellent head.I beleave they had done some dyno testing on there sight comparing there heads to similar heads and the numbers were pretty stout.I picked up a set for my 383 cheap on ebay.New heads seem to be averaging 750 which is pretty good compared to the afr's

 

i've seen guys runing 500+ hp with vortecs what are you talking about you can't get that much out of vortecs i'm gonna be around thier with my setup but myn not be the best street able car but it'll get er done

 

350, 9.5:1, vortec heads, XE274, rpm intake, 750 double pumper.. 12.70 @107 on bald drag radials spinnin a little... 600 for the shortblock, 200 for cam and lifters, 1000 for heads, intake, rockers, and 70 for an oil pump... pretty cheap for a solid 12 secound machine...

 

1000 bucks for vortec heads what???

 

1000 bux for his complete top end is what he means(i think) thats a good price.

 

complete top end vortecs for for like 500 bucks. NEW.. i'm paying 250 for a set that has valves and giusde that are new. which leaves like 100 bucks for springs and i just spent 350 bucks on heads. ad another 250 for the intake so i'm at 600 bucks...weres this 1000

 

actually its $909, and Its brand new heads with the guides machines, better springs and lightweight retainers, a performer rpm intake, rocker arms, head bolts, arp intake bolts, head gaskets, and intake gaskets.. thats what I got for 909.... I don't buy used parts for my motors that move, I have have bad experiences. An intake is fien to buy used but to me i'd rather fork out the money for new... I dare you to find me som1 with a motor that will go 12's all day long, with all new components and be dependable for $2000..

 

are the heads stock other than the spring upgrade?

 

yea just have machined guides and better springs...

 

well i'm putting my motor together for somwere around the price of 1500$ and it's gonna be into the 12's ... so i don't get were your coming from

 

I have the Trick Flow heads on my setup right now. Car went 13.39 @ 101 w/ completely stock TPI and stock exhaust manifolds. put down 261 rwhp @ 4k rpms maxing out the intake at that point. Torque was killer w/ the TFS heads. I was really impressed w/ the head flow etc.

 

Post your combo and prices. I dont believe you are gonna make 12's for 1500 bucks.

 

I didnt say he makes 450hp, he does however run mid 12's with a t-5 and 3.42 gears and thats what matters. Oh yeah and his setup is carbed.

 

you can pick up a trick flow top end kit for around $1700 i think it was topped with a edelbrock victor jr. anda 650cfm carb ull be runnin 500hp ona 350 with 10:1 compression i belive it was tis in the summit catolouge

 

power house kit never been used getting off some guy that doesn't want it for 400 bucks with 1pice rear main seal block out of a 96 youkon

vortec heads lt1/z28 springs-may change-new 50 bucks complete
rpm air gap intake-new 250 bucks
holley 4160 750cfm vac secondary's-50 bucks
hooker comp. shortie headers-86 bucks used for one day
10.25:1 compression
1.5 roller rockers crane gold-75 bucks slightly used 1000 miles on them looks like new
HIE non-cc rebuilt 25 bucks
boring-honing -125 bucks from local mechine shop

cam specs are
Small Block Chev Elgin Hydraulic Roller Camshaft .462" intake lift, .470 exhaust lift Dur. @ .050 210 degrees intake, 215 degrees exhaust 110 lobe center Mild Street Improved power
Price: $149.95

lifters 50 bucks never been used

400
50
250
50
86
75
25
125
150
50
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1,261 grand total

 

That in itself isn't good for 12's, just so you know. Look up Pony Killer i think it is. He's ran an 11.99 on stock Vortec's with a great deal of modifications to the rest of the chassis. That cam isn't good for 12's either. Notice how it says "mild street."

 

I dont think that combo will go 12's. Also, its impractical to think that everyone is going to buy a carb for 50 bucks. Or cheap headers like that.

 

yeah, im gonna buy all new.

im thinkin like 3-400 for carb, possible B.G.
and like 2-300 for coated headers.

 

Yea, I said NEW... My combo is easy to find. You don't need to know anyone or have any old parts laying around, or try to find a deal, you can open up a catalog and buy it all... Maybe my combo isn't the best deal out there but for 2000 bucks I'm gonna have to saymid 12's all new stuff and runs awsome is a hell of a buy...

 

Yip those chasis mods are the way to go,probably shave a second or more just dialing in the chasis alone

 

thos mods will throw me into the 12's i did not list chassi mods nore suspension nore rear gears. which will make a huge diffrence. i don't know what you people are tlaking about but my firends car with only 275 rwph and 350 rwtq ran 13.4 and i'm gonna most likely be pushing more hp and tq then him. with better gearing and suspension. so ...he said engine specs so.. i posted

prokit 2" lower springs
kyb agx suspension
adj panhard rod
adj tq arm
ford 9inch w/ 3.73 gear
costum made SFC
new ES bushing kit

 

You'll see 12s with some decent torque, traction, and maybe some weight loss. A terget HP looks nice on paper, but ET is about a torque curve.

HP gets you MPH.. I'm a MPH guy, I'm shooting for 130 mph next year myself.

With my old TPI setup, and my old blower, I was running like 12.60 @ 110mph.. I'm thinking that setup was like 420-450hp.. I never dyno'd it, but I'm guessing. Car was like 3680lbs.