aluminum roller rockers???
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aluminum roller rockers???
Is it a bad idea to put aluminum roller rockers in a street engine that will be my daily driver? I've heard they could get brittle. Also, what kind of roller rockers will work with centerbolt valve covers and pushrod guideplates?
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Yes, the aluminums are fine for street use. I have used these many times previously on my daily drivers with no problems (Crane's Vacuum Cast 1.6 ratio full roller rockers). Naturally you want the rocker to have some to quite a bit of brittleness (hardness), otherwise your lift would fluctuate alot with soft aluminum.
For center bolt valve covers, the consensus is either Crane Gold series or Comp Magnum series. As for the guideplates compatability, use non-self aligned ones.
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For center bolt valve covers, the consensus is either Crane Gold series or Comp Magnum series. As for the guideplates compatability, use non-self aligned ones.------------------
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I prefer steel for street use. Aluminum by its nature will not last as long.
For the money, it's hard to beat the Comp steel roller-tip ones. Their steel full rollers are also well-priced. I believe you'll have trouble with almost any full roller rockers and stock valve covers, because the trunnions are so wide that the breather baffles don't fit down between them. But they can usually be modified (smashed) enough to work.
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For the money, it's hard to beat the Comp steel roller-tip ones. Their steel full rollers are also well-priced. I believe you'll have trouble with almost any full roller rockers and stock valve covers, because the trunnions are so wide that the breather baffles don't fit down between them. But they can usually be modified (smashed) enough to work.
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RB83L69, will I have problems with the roller rockers even if they're 1.5 ratio? That's what I plan to use because my cam has plenty of lift. I heard I'd only have problems with the 1.6.
Your clearance really has little to do with the ratio. The design of the roller trunion area is the same whether the rockers are 1.52:1 of 1.8:1.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MRZ28HO:
Naturally you want the rocker to have some to quite a bit of brittleness (hardness) . . . </font>
Naturally you want the rocker to have some to quite a bit of brittleness (hardness) . . . </font>
Since when does brittleness mean hardness?

Oh, and I wouldn't go with aluminum. Comp Cams gets my vote.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by soulbounder:
Since when does brittleness mean hardness?</font>
Since when does brittleness mean hardness?</font>
As hardness (and strength) go up, toughness goes down (meaning brittleness goes up). This is assuming you are talking about the same material, that is. A brittle material is more susceptible to breakage due to shock. This is typically a function of heat treatment, and can be modified by alloying to improve overall performance.
However, flex is a function of the modulous of elastisity of the material, not the strength (hardness). That is why aluminum rockers are thick & fat, while steel are thin and skinny.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ViciousZ:
Is it a bad idea to put aluminum roller rockers in a street engine that will be my daily driver? I've heard they could get brittle.</font>
Is it a bad idea to put aluminum roller rockers in a street engine that will be my daily driver? I've heard they could get brittle.</font>
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The aluminum (as with most metals) gets harder as it is repeatedly flexed (work hardening) therefore its limit of elesticity is reduced.
Like bending a paperclip back and forth. The clip will break because you made the steel harder and therefore less malleable (unable to be bent as much the next time)
Like bending a paperclip back and forth. The clip will break because you made the steel harder and therefore less malleable (unable to be bent as much the next time)
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JoelOl75:
The aluminum (as with most metals) gets harder as it is repeatedly flexed (work hardening) therefore its limit of elesticity is reduced.
Like bending a paperclip back and forth. The clip will break because you made the steel harder and therefore less malleable (unable to be bent as much the next time)
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The aluminum (as with most metals) gets harder as it is repeatedly flexed (work hardening) therefore its limit of elesticity is reduced.
Like bending a paperclip back and forth. The clip will break because you made the steel harder and therefore less malleable (unable to be bent as much the next time)
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