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How does the ECM signal for the EGR to open?

Old Apr 15, 2005 | 04:36 PM
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EGR Hell - the sequel

Does it ground the circuit, send 5v or 12v?

In my 88 TBI motor, when I connect the ECM lead to the selonoid, the EGR seems to open (runs very poorly!) I want to see if the ECM is sending a constant signal for the selonoid to kick open or not, but don't know exactly what I'm looking for at the pins.

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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 05:09 PM
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Look at the wires.

Should be a pink/black, and another one.

If so, pink/black is 12V fused ignition; and the ECM works it by grounding the other lead. Which is how it does most things.
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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by RB83L69
Look at the wires.

Should be a pink/black, and another one.

If so, pink/black is 12V fused ignition; and the ECM works it by grounding the other lead. Which is how it does most things.
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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 12:53 PM
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The ECM uses the MAT sensor to determine when to operate the EGR. Below a certain temperature in the bin, the ECM will not operate the EGR. This is typically how we disable it.

It's a simple change and LOTS of guys now have the eprom burning equipment. Get together on one of the Regional Boards in your area and see if you can find someone that will make this simple change in your eprom.
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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 04:33 PM
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Hum, don't mind me if I'm a little, well confused.

I'm not really trying to disable the EGR at all. My problem is that the vehicle behaves as if the EGR is constantly open unless:

The vac line is removed from the selonoid OR the ECM is disconnected from the selonoid.

The fact that the vehicle behaves fine with the ECM connected suggests to me that the problem isn't the new selonoid, but rather that there is a constant ground to the selonoid. I haven't got to check the lead yet, I'm a little unsure of where I should go with it if the lead is constantly getting a ground, causing my drivability issue's

Besides, it's an 88 TBI - I pretty much need that EGR if I ever want to dream of passing the NOx requirements here in Ohio. ... unless there's a way of tuning around the egr's emission reducing effect, and map fuel/spark well enough to lower NOx emission without it, which is probably where my prom burning adventure would start - as in I know ZERO about it at this time.
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Old Apr 17, 2005 | 12:00 AM
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Disreguard all that crap above...

Took the multimeter to the clip tonight - looks normal, not a closed circuit.

But here is the loophole - as I understand it.... the front of the selonoid is connected to a full vac source at the front of the TB. (TBI remember).

The rear has two "Ports", one for venting the vac, and the other for egr operation. When I take the EGR hose off of the one I thought was supposed to be for it (the furthest away from the clip) and put it on the one I thought was vent.... the vehicle runs like new.

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Old Apr 17, 2005 | 10:07 AM
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I've got a similar problem, anybody got a vacuum diagram of the 3-port EGR solinoid or pics??
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Old Apr 17, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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You might want to employ a vacuum guage to help diagnose your situation.
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Old Apr 17, 2005 | 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by BirdofFireBOB
I've got a similar problem, anybody got a vacuum diagram of the 3-port EGR solinoid or pics??
It's official - it's a GM conspiracy
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Old Apr 17, 2005 | 09:34 PM
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The EGR vacuum control has a vacuum solenoid that uses "Pulse Width Modulation". What this means is that the ECM turns ON and OFF the solenoid many times a second and varies the amount of ON time (Pulse Width) to change the amount of EGR. The ECM uses the information from the the following sensors to control the solenoid:
Coolant temperature
Throttle Position (TPS)
P/N Switch
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Old Apr 18, 2005 | 03:27 PM
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The P/N switch would be the park neutral switch I take it?

I'll check the function of those sensors next, but I figured I might get an error code, or ses illumination if they were bad.
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Old Apr 19, 2005 | 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by GOY
The P/N switch would be the park neutral switch I take it?

I'll check the function of those sensors next, but I figured I might get an error code, or ses illumination if they were bad.
Figuring & assuming are shortcuts, testing removes them from the equation.
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Old Apr 20, 2005 | 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by rgarcia63
Figuring & assuming are shortcuts, testing removes them from the equation.
TPS shows .59v at closed position, 4.31 at WOT, smooth voltage increase through steady blade travel with no dead spots.

Coolant switch operates normally as well.
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