Dot 5 Brake Fluid ...Good or Bad????
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Dot 5 Brake Fluid ...Good or Bad????
I know it comes in the new Vette's, but I've heard some negative things about it. I've heard that it has a tendancy to make your brakes fade quickly, but it also doesn't absorb water or eat paint which would help save my freshly painted engine compartment. What do you guys think?
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Dot 5 is a silicon based brake fluid. It's not compatible with the mineral Dot 3 or 4. You need a brake system that's rubber seals are compatible with dot 5. The majority of all motorbikes for at least the last 15 years have all used Dot 5.
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As Stephen said, it's silicon based and not compatible with the other ones.
What I do know about it is that you should replace all rubber with new (never heard of needing a special rubber though) and completely flush everything else. Problem is that most flushing will not remove all the old fluid.
What most Antique restorer are doing is putting in new lines, and taking everything apart to clean, and rebuilding wheel cylinders and calipers as well as M/C's, and replacing prop valves to ensure that the DOT 5 does not come into contact with any of the older fluid.
Now, is it worth it? IMO no, not on a car that see's some use, maybe for a resto project where you're starting from ground zero, or in the case of the Vettes, brand new.
What I do know about it is that you should replace all rubber with new (never heard of needing a special rubber though) and completely flush everything else. Problem is that most flushing will not remove all the old fluid.
What most Antique restorer are doing is putting in new lines, and taking everything apart to clean, and rebuilding wheel cylinders and calipers as well as M/C's, and replacing prop valves to ensure that the DOT 5 does not come into contact with any of the older fluid.
Now, is it worth it? IMO no, not on a car that see's some use, maybe for a resto project where you're starting from ground zero, or in the case of the Vettes, brand new.
i used dot 5 in a martin brake system i ran on my karts. it's very good for it's intended application. i have also used it in a corvett i converted to stainless calipers with good results. for the typical thirdgen or any car i'd use dot 4.
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I've been using Dot5 in my Corvette for about 5 years. It's pretty popular with the classic Vette crowd because, as mentioned, it's not hydroscopic(doesn't absorb water or moisure) like conventional brake fluid. The reduces corrosion in the brake system.
Small amounts of residual Dot3 or Dot4 will not cause a problem when Dot 5 is used. While it is true the two types of brake fluid don't mix(kinda like oil and vinegar), it won't cause any real problems. The only problem it does cause it that it partially defeats the purpose of using Dot 5. Since Dot 3/4 is heavier than Dot 5, they tend to settle at the lowest point in the brake system, usually in the calipers. Since one of the benefits of Dot 5 is reduction of corrosion, you can see how it would lessen the benefits of Dot 5.
Dot 5 does have a higher boiling point than either Dot 3 or 4, so it's less susceptible to boiling and the subsequent brake fade. However, Dot 5 is slightly compressible under some circumstances, so brake feel my be slightly softer than usual, but nothing of significance.
You do not have to replace any brake lines or hoses. However, it is always a good idea to replace the rubber flex hoses, since most of our cars are getting up there in years, it's just a good idea. Most people who want to flush out their brake systems use denatured alcohol. You can get it at any hardware store or home improvement store. Just bleed your brakes, and before the master cylinder empties, as the alcohol to the MC, and contiune to bleed it until you get all alcohol. Then do the same, but add the Dot 5.
It's also nice to know your brake fluid won't damage your nice paint job or your detailed chassis, like Dot 3/4.
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[This message has been edited by Monty (edited August 10, 2001).]
Small amounts of residual Dot3 or Dot4 will not cause a problem when Dot 5 is used. While it is true the two types of brake fluid don't mix(kinda like oil and vinegar), it won't cause any real problems. The only problem it does cause it that it partially defeats the purpose of using Dot 5. Since Dot 3/4 is heavier than Dot 5, they tend to settle at the lowest point in the brake system, usually in the calipers. Since one of the benefits of Dot 5 is reduction of corrosion, you can see how it would lessen the benefits of Dot 5.
Dot 5 does have a higher boiling point than either Dot 3 or 4, so it's less susceptible to boiling and the subsequent brake fade. However, Dot 5 is slightly compressible under some circumstances, so brake feel my be slightly softer than usual, but nothing of significance.
You do not have to replace any brake lines or hoses. However, it is always a good idea to replace the rubber flex hoses, since most of our cars are getting up there in years, it's just a good idea. Most people who want to flush out their brake systems use denatured alcohol. You can get it at any hardware store or home improvement store. Just bleed your brakes, and before the master cylinder empties, as the alcohol to the MC, and contiune to bleed it until you get all alcohol. Then do the same, but add the Dot 5.
It's also nice to know your brake fluid won't damage your nice paint job or your detailed chassis, like Dot 3/4.
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[This message has been edited by Monty (edited August 10, 2001).]
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