Read:
http://www.gm.com/cgi-bin/pr_display.pl?2538

GM pulled the plug, how sad this that!!!

Well at lease they didn't turn the Camaro into a FWD hunk on crap like mopar did to their line. Or have I spoke to soon??

Sorry not a tech question in nature.

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1988 L98
Vette Heads/no EGR
SLP Headers/Y-Pipe
ARAP bin

 

They decided 5 years ago, a year after they decided to pull the plug on Oldsmobile.
Buick is next, followed closely by Saturn and then anything that is not a truck or SUV.

 

Yeah, that blows. But you might be looking at it backward. Instead of stepping down to the Mustang, you might want to step up to a Corvette.

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Later,
Vader
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Justice and Freedom will Prevail

 

They give a poor excuse for ending production of f-bodies. If that were true why are they selling lots of mustangs? I can tell you why, normal people are not going to pay 7 or 8 thousand more than the price of a V8 mustang to get a car with no trunk and only 1/2 to 1 second quicker in the quarter stock. They can spend less than that and make there mustang faster and have a stronger differential.

 

Well when GM pulls the plug fNord will no doubt follow soon after. A good thing though is our cars become more collectable, and with less muscle/sport cars comming from the factory thier will an increased demand for used. 20 more years=$$$$$
SSC

 

Personally... I'd rather have a rusted old 1984 Z28 than any mustang (short of a Shelby)
and i agree with the previous statement... Dont step down to a mustang... step up to a Vette... shew.. i'm gonna have to save a lot harder to afford a vette...
life can't always be perfect... its been a nice long 35 year ride of excellence on one of the shining stars of American automobiles.... she will be missed

 

You guys got it all wrong, Ford targeted women with the Mustang, and scored bigtime. Next time you are out driving around, count the number of V6 Mustang convertibles driven by 18-35 year old women and tell me I'm wrong.

Vader, not a bad idea...

 

Well, I did my part 16 years ago. But that was then and this is now. Talk is cheap and money walks. All anybody wants anymore are trucks and SUVs (people who put their money where their mouth is, anyway).

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-Greg

'85 Trans Am - WS6,TPI:
Original owner, original paint/engine/interior, plus the usual bolt-ons

 

If there is any good news, the article headline does state that the camaro and firebird are on hiatus which means that they may come back some day.

 

Hey what's the matter ,i know it's sad but i mean we have the 3rd gen f-body which is the best f-body ever made ! 4th gen seems a japanese car with NO PERSONALITY, 3rd gen is the last real american car !

I will never buy a f***** Mustang even if it will be the only car avalible in the world!

CAMARO ROCKS !! AND 4EVER WILL !!

 

What I've heard is that the F-body won't pass
side-impact laws for 2003,major reason why this is happening.Rumor is that 2004 there'll
be a new F-body, but not both Camaro and Firebird,only one (probably Camaro) and it will be a lot more expensive.

 

I don't agree that all 4th gen are trash, just look at a 93 ram air TA. Sweet looking car, head turner from day one! I know the LT1 is not a good as the LS1 motor, but still a hot car.

I'm not talking bad about 3rds, but you can not compare them to the late 60s muscle cars. Compare the 305/350 with the 302 they put out, two different worlds my friend.

Sorry for the tangent

I swear, if they turn the Camaro into a quad 4 turd....grrrrrr.....

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1988 L98
Vette Heads/no EGR
SLP Headers/Y-Pipe
ARAP bin

 

Sorry guys, I thought that someone called a 3rd gen a muscle car.

 

As copied from GM web site

Camaro/Firebird on Hiatus After 2002 Model Year

GM Celebrates Muscle Cars' Last Year of Production, Closes Ste. Therese Facility

I don't understand where is the celebration...hundreds of people are already laid off from the plant and the rest are being forced into retirement or go to "retraining". Am I missing something here this is the same thing that happened when they closed down the Tarrytown NY plant that a friend worked at and now he works as a cleaner for a maintenance company to support his family. I don't have a problem with big business doing what they have to do to survive but I certainly would not have called it a celebration to discontinue a car line with a following the Camaro and Firebird have after 35 years.

It's almost sad that we all have to hear the Ford guys bragging that thier car isn't on hiatus.

Or maybe I am just in denial cause I can't afford a vette.

Good luck GM but a front wheel drive to me is just a commuter car no matter how fast and stylish it is.

Sorry all I just had to vent

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87 Black on Black T/A
T-Tops Digital dash
5.0 TPI S/R Torquer 305 heads Summit TPI cam
204/214 @.050 .420/.442
SLP headers and catback
A4 with 3.42 gears
Fully loaded and everything usually works.

 

The only reason I see for killin' the Camaro is lack of creativity! GM cant design a good car. Let me do it for them.

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91 B4C 305 TPI - SOON TO BE 383
TREMEC 5-SP, STOCK 1-BOLT REAREAND w/342 GEARS, K&N, AIRFOIL
EDELBROCK HEADERS, DUAL CAT TO HOMEMADE Y-PIPE & 3.5" SINGLE PIPE W/ FLOWMASTER, CRANK PULLEY, MSD, FUEL PRESS REG, COWL HOOD, WELD WHEELS
14.1@ 98MPH
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OTHER RIDE
67 CAMARO - STREET CAR, BIG BLOCK, PUMP GAS
350TH w/ATI 10", 12-BOLT w/373 GEARS
10.47@129 1.55 60FT. ON MOTOR - ET-STREETs w/MUFFLERS

 

Was that a Z06 I just saw whiz past? What did you say? For about half the price of soem exotic sports cars, you can spank some Italian *** with the Z06 and put the Ferarri in the boot as a spare. Europe is where they have problems designing cars, and couldn't muster a 3,800 pound boulevard cruiser if they had to.

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Later,
Vader
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Justice and Freedom will Prevail

 

just wait till the 6th generation vette comes out in 2004 i think it is. might be 2005, i imagine we will all be drooling sayin "holy ****"

 

Why do you have to buy a Mustang? Whats wrong with a year or two old Camaro? Faster, better, and still has a warrenty. Or even better yet, get a Corvette.

Since when are Camaros 7 or 8 thousand dollars more than a Mustang GT? Bullcrap! With the same options, I think a Camaro is $1500 more, and its a better car. But like madmax said, Ford advertised the Mustang to women, and it works. GM doesnt advertise at all.


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1991 Camaro Z28
5.7L 5-Speed (originally 305)
317 RWHP, 418 RWTQ
13.23 @ 107.62 MPH
Southern California
Member: SoCal 3rd Gen F-Bodies
Member: SoCal F-Bodies
-=ICON Motorsports=-

 

EUROPEAN CAR SUCKS! THEY LOOKS ALL THE SAME,THE EUROPEAN ENGINE SUCKS!

F-BODY WILL LIVE 4EVER IN MY HEART WHATEVER GM WILL DECIDE TO DO

 

I met the "Camaro" not just any car.

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91 B4C 305 TPI - SOON TO BE 383
TREMEC 5-SP, STOCK 1-BOLT REAREAND w/342 GEARS, K&N, AIRFOIL
EDELBROCK HEADERS, DUAL CAT TO HOMEMADE Y-PIPE & 3.5" SINGLE PIPE W/ FLOWMASTER, CRANK PULLEY, MSD, FUEL PRESS REG, COWL HOOD, WELD WHEELS
14.1@ 98MPH
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OTHER RIDE
67 CAMARO - STREET CAR, BIG BLOCK, PUMP GAS
350TH w/ATI 10", 12-BOLT w/373 GEARS
10.47@129 1.55 60FT. ON MOTOR - ET-STREETs w/MUFFLERS

 

Ya think the Vette might be takin down a notch to make Camaro/Firebird buyers buy Vettes and stay loyal ...hummmm

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1987 IROC-Z
G92, LB9 305 TPI, 3.23, Bright Red with Carmine Interior, Pioneer DEHP47DH CD deck.2 JBL DS645 4*6 (F).. 2 JBL DS965 6*9 (S).. New 305CI TPI ,World Torquer Heads, and soon to be Body Work

 

A buddy of mine is a muffsain freak and he told me that ford said that ford said that they will continue to make the mustang and they will turn it into a compeditor with the vett. insted of the f-body.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!

 

I've seen alot of girls driving v-6 Camaros, but not as much as mustangs.

Like the previous post mentioned, Ford designers were always able to maintain the Mustang's identity. I feel GM screwed up badly when they designed the 4th gens. Performance doesn't mean too much to many consumers....it the looks that attracts them in the first place.

In general, Mustangs are cheaper than Fords...it just costs more to buy aftermarket parts for them.

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92 Camaro RS, LO3, 5-spd, T-tops

Performance:
K&N Open Air Filter, Edelbrock performer TBI intake, Fastchip Prom, Timing +4 degrees, Centerforce clutch, Xact 8mm wires, SLP 1 3/4" Headers (coated), Flowmaster Catback Exhaust, Z28 Grille w/aftmkt fog lamps, MacEwen white-face guages
Electronics:
Alpine 8030 Alarm System, Valentine One Radar Detector (How did I ever drive without one?), Pioneer DEH 7450 Head Unit w/6-pack CD changer, Pioneer DEQ 7600 Sound Processor, 2 Kenwood KAC-846 Amps powering 2 12" Pro Red subs, 2 Pioneer 6x9 and 2 MTX 4x6 speakers.
NEXT UP: TBI mods, 3.42 gears w/Torsen posi

 

Not talking bad about them (I have one) but the fourth gens were degined after the 92 satern. If you put the two cars next to one another they look the exact same the f-body was turned into a streached saturn.

Any of you stand in line to buy a saturn?

 

Actually, if you play both sides you'll notice another reason why Ford won. Their marketing was superior, and their design afterthoughts were exceptional. Ever try swapping motors from a third or fourth gen? Ever try it with a Fox or SN95? Huge difference. It's almost a pleasure working on the bloody Fords. The entire top end is very accessible and the exhaust is a snap to swap. This type of design permeates both chassis setups of Ford. GM started going in the right direction in terms of performance, however, the design alienated their bread& butter customers and they more or less mass migrated to Ford. My hope is that Mustang sales will explode in the next few years so as to stimulate GM into producing their 'pony' cars again. Hopefully this time they will consult us before hand, I'd love to have a T/A that is easy to work on.

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a *** ; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

 

But think about this, I'd rather drive a Mustang than drive any p.o.s rice burner!!! But don't get me wrong I love the F-body, I own 2. But that is my opnion!!

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89 Iroc 350 TPI,
Forged pistions
Comp roller Cam .510 lift 230dur
Flowmaster exhaust
Dart Iron Eagle heads 200cc runners 64cc chambers
MINI RAM SOON!!!!!
stock TPI for now 24# inj
87 Trans Am GTA 350 TPI
had engine fire
SHE NOW RUNS!!!! GREAT!!
Flowmaster exhaust
LT1 Injectors

 

Lets admit it, the camaro is an age old design. Nobody wants an unreliable 2 seater with a seating position enjoyed only by the car enthusiast. Cheap interior, no room and technology that is aging. Step into a celica and see the supportive leather seats, sleek up to date interior and reliablility to last a lifetime and cheap insurance costs. GM needs to change the f-body into a modern car, make it smaller, more comfortable, a reasonable powerplant 250-300hp and update that ugly interior. Also try to make it more reliable, we don't want to see tranny's go or rear ends snap, or power windows needing replacement. I sound pro import but I'm just stating the obvious. Maybe GM will return with something everyone can enjoy, until then the f-body will not survive

 

GM can go to hell after killing the Camaro and Firebird. Sold out to the truck and suv WEENIEs and soccer moms.

IF I buy a new car anytime soon (which is doubtful, couple years old more likely) it will be a 99+ Mustang GT. Just to spite GM... I've always liked the 99+ GT's looks (while I don't really like the 4thgens), just couldn't justify buying a ford over a Camaro/Firebird because I had some brand loyalty holding me back. GM took care of that little problem for me. I doubt I'll ever buy a new GM because of this. Call me crazy but it's a slap in the face IMO...

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

 

I don't think the Camaro is not an age old design, its just flawed an GM decided to sell out rather than revamp it, unless they stick to the true meaing of the word "hiatus".

The average consumer could care less about horsepower, torque, or top speed. Sports cars sell on LOOKS. I personally think 3rd gens were one of the meanest looking cars of their era. Corvettes and Mustangs never lost their appeal and they are still going strong. Celicas and Eclipes actually gained appeal over the years. Camaros just flat out lost it. First they stripped all but one of the numerous distinguishing marks of a Z28, then they made lame attempts at adding ground effects, then they made all Z28's become SS's instead of options, finally they jacked up things like the fog lamps and headlights. All this while they should have been looking at other stuff. But damm if that drivetrain wasn't tight!

From an insurance standpoint, why pay all that premium money for the most powerful production V-8 off the assembly line when you can get a less power one and toss in a supercharger without the insurance company even knowing it?

 

I won't be buying a new Mustang or any other new car . I'll probably buy a 68 camaro sometime before next summer. Why spend 25-30 grand for a sports car when you can buy a nice used Z24,grand am,etc. and still buy and build-up a better looking 1st,2nd,or 3rd gen f-body for the same or less money?

 

i think it's time this thread went away. there isn't much tech if any content in it. the "official rumer" is the f body is coming back in a few years on the new chassis cadillac designed for the RWD cars. thanks for understanding

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