Removing smog, can someone give a detailed instruction?
Removing smog, can someone give a detailed instruction?
I have the longer belt, took off the old one, and relize it's more than
"Its very simple really, the whole trick lies in the belt routing. The stock setup in a clockwise manner: Tensioner, over the alternator, down to the power steering pump, under the crank, under and over the water" like it says in the tech article
can someone please tell me, what comes off, waht hoses get plugged etc.
I have no cats on the car.
"Its very simple really, the whole trick lies in the belt routing. The stock setup in a clockwise manner: Tensioner, over the alternator, down to the power steering pump, under the crank, under and over the water" like it says in the tech article
can someone please tell me, what comes off, waht hoses get plugged etc.
I have no cats on the car. Junior Member
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Only 2 torx head bolts hold the smog pump on, and they are behind the pulley. All the hoses come off, I left the hose on the back of the motor on, and plugged it, didn't feel like messing with it! If not using headers, you will need to plug the holes in the exhaust manifolds! Help this helps!!
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Sorry I dont remember the torx size, sounds like a good time to go buy a set of torx sockets!!The bolts are behind the pump pulley, there only 2, I got it all off from the top, you need to leave the belt on to get the pulley bolts off, there is 3 of those (10mm), then the 2 torx bolts are in plain sight! My Z is at the g/f's house an hour away with my manual, the GM manual would also good be a good investment for you!! Later!
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I see you are in central Fl, my car is in Oviedo, anywhere near by?
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I see you are in central Fl, my car is in Oviedo, anywhere near by?
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Car: '87 IROCZ
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One of the key things that a mechanic needs is good tools and the right tools.
Buy an entire set of Torxs, there are used multiple times, you can not survive w/o a full set. But this goes for all tools, like a complete set of metric and english wrenches, complete set of 1/2" and 3/8" sockets, and so on,,,,,,,,
It gets fairly expensive, I know.
Buy an entire set of Torxs, there are used multiple times, you can not survive w/o a full set. But this goes for all tools, like a complete set of metric and english wrenches, complete set of 1/2" and 3/8" sockets, and so on,,,,,,,,
It gets fairly expensive, I know.
thanx 4 your help The torx might be a little stripped from trying the wrong size, have to foofl around with it.and it looks like I'll have to put the belt back on to get at the pulley nuts!
Originally Posted by 922628
Sorry I dont remember the torx size, sounds like a good time to go buy a set of torx sockets!!The bolts are behind the pump pulley, there only 2, I got it all off from the top, you need to leave the belt on to get the pulley bolts off, there is 3 of those (10mm), then the 2 torx bolts are in plain sight! My Z is at the g/f's house an hour away with my manual, the GM manual would also good be a good investment for you!! Later!
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I see you are in central Fl, my car is in Oviedo, anywhere near by?
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I see you are in central Fl, my car is in Oviedo, anywhere near by?
I really wish I would have read this better or got a more step by step explanation, I was trying to remove the wrong torx bolts:embarrasement: below thge pump holding a bracket. I wound up nipping an ac line,trying to grind the stripped head off the bolt
can someone please tell me why I need to plug the exhaust manifolds?
can someone please tell me why I need to plug the exhaust manifolds?
Originally Posted by 922628
Only 2 torx head bolts hold the smog pump on, and they are behind the pulley. All the hoses come off, I left the hose on the back of the motor on, and plugged it, didn't feel like messing with it! If not using headers, you will need to plug the holes in the exhaust manifolds! Help this helps!!
come on guys, give some help over hear.This car was running so good, and not only do I have no ac now, spent $20 on a belt, waste 3 days, the car runs worse!
nothing is plugged up, is this the reason? help me out!
nothing is plugged up, is this the reason? help me out!
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I hate to say it man but I don't think you were ready for this. If I remember right (and I don't always) the torx heads are a T-40. It takes a little bit of elbow grease to break them loose. Without the AIR pump that diverter valve (the plastic thing) does nothing and is not supported. What you need to plug are the holes left in the manifold from when you remove the air pipes (the antler looking things). And without the pump you might as well remove all of that stuff. If all you do is remove the diverter valve (at least find a way to support it), then you need to make sure anything that was connected to it is plugged (or capped I guess). When you remove the antlers from the manifolds you'll need 1/4" pipes plugs for the holes. This site reccommends brass, but I used galvonized and haven't had any problems. Anymore questions? Ask away.
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thats because the instructions on this site are crap. The only thing I've removed is the pump. The only opening is at the bottom of the diverter valve, where it plugged into the pump.My car is running worse, is this opening the reason? Nothing else was done. Is the computer seeing a vacuum leak or something? Can you please explain what this hole does, and why I would need to plug the holes in the exhaust manifolds, thanx
Originally Posted by DLV555
I hate to say it man but I don't think you were ready for this.
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Originally Posted by F&Ybodlover
thats because the instructions on this site are crap.Okay. That hole is the first place air from the smog pump goes, into the diverter valve. The diverter valve is constantly being controlled by the computer. When warming up the diverter valve directs fresh air to the exhaust manifolds. By putting more air in the exhaust it becomes very lean and warms the cat up faster. Once the ECM goes into closed loop the diverter valve directs air to the cat to improve the cat's oxidation capabilites. When you decelerate a lot of extra fuel gets into the exhaust so the diverter valve vents the air to the atmosphere to avoid a backfire. You should unplug the diverter valve because the ECM doesn't know you removed the smog pump. It is still trying to direct the air. If you unplug it it will effectively plug up all the hoses it is connected to. In this case you need only support it in some way so it is not flopping around in your engine bay.
I would remove it. Remove it and all the hoses attached to it. Then remove the air tubes from the exhaust manifolds. You'll need a 9/16" line wrench to loosen the nuts. For the rear most nuts I just broke the lines off and used a deep well 9/16" socket. In the holes left by the removed lines put in the 1/4" pipe plugs. Since you don't have a cat (as you mentioned) you don't have to worry about capping of the tube that goes to the cat.
Tuck the electrical connections away where they won't get in the way of moving parts. Oh and did you replace the top torx bolt of the 2 you removed? You will want to put that bolt back in. The bottom one you can leave out.
thanx 4 your help alot more to it than just "It's ver y simple really"
so your saying basically I have 2 options.
1.plug the hole that went into the smog pump with something?Tie up the diverter.
2.remove all the air lines going into the exhaust manifolds, remove the airdiverter and hoses, plug the holes on the ex manifolds up with 1/4 pipe plugs. BTW, the line I nipped wasn't an ac line cauz my air still works, it was a line going to the heater contol valve, and now I have a coolant leak, and the car is runing hot
Have to change that line now ASAP.
so your saying basically I have 2 options.1.plug the hole that went into the smog pump with something?Tie up the diverter.
2.remove all the air lines going into the exhaust manifolds, remove the airdiverter and hoses, plug the holes on the ex manifolds up with 1/4 pipe plugs. BTW, the line I nipped wasn't an ac line cauz my air still works, it was a line going to the heater contol valve, and now I have a coolant leak, and the car is runing hot
Have to change that line now ASAP.Member
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That's pretty much it. If you unplug the diverter valve then you don't need to plug that hole that went to the pump. But I suppose it won't hurt.
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From reading these posts, evidently you have no idea what these components do, and for some reason you feel they need to be removed. First mistake. Second mistake was doing it, or atempting to do it. Third mistake is not leaving it alone after realizing you got in over your head. Last mistake is believing everthing you hear about emission controls.
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Why put in the top bolt of the smog pump?? What will it do if we dont?? I will second cutting the air pipes in the manifolds and using a 9/16 deep socket, it was a hell of alot eaiser, use a hack saw or dremmal!
Originally Posted by 1991L98G92
From reading these posts, evidently you have no idea what these components do, and for some reason you feel they need to be removed. First mistake. Second mistake was doing it, or atempting to do it. Third mistake is not leaving it alone after realizing you got in over your head. Last mistake is believing everthing you hear about emission controls.
"Many a time I have wondered how to get rid of the smog pump on my serpentine belt equipped car. Not only is it a parasitic device on the engines power output but it also adds weight and clutters up the engine bay. After experimenting with modifying the balancer and different length belts I realised it was just about impossible using the stock belt routing. I was made aware of the best way to remove it on our tech board by those who have done it.
Remember, removing emmisions equiptment is only for those who undergo no emmisions testing or whos vehicles are for racing only.
Its very simple really, the whole trick lies in the belt routing."
I made the mistake of trying to take off the wrong bolts, because I wasn't told exactly where they were. Like I said, those instructions really suck, and info should be either added or that post should be removed completely, but your right, I thought the smog was only applicable for catalytic converters, I did not know it had any thing to do with the fuel mixture. If I had to go back, I would have just left it, saved the $30 for the belt,torx, and bolts, aggravation, time, and having to fix/replace that oil cooler line
I figured, I went through the trouble/expense of buying a belt,torx, removing the old belt,I was determined to remove that stripped bolt. Member
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Removing AIR from a car with no cat is fine. You've already got no cat so technically it doesn't meet federal requirements. Without a cat the AIR serves no purpose. It is not heating anything up (with the possible exception of the O2 sensor, but only in closed loop anyway) nor is it oxidizing anything.
The top bolt holds that bracket in place it doesn't JUST hold the smog pump. Someone said it is also an open hole in the block if you don't put the bolt back in, but I wouldn't know about that.
The top bolt holds that bracket in place it doesn't JUST hold the smog pump. Someone said it is also an open hole in the block if you don't put the bolt back in, but I wouldn't know about that.
what bolt are you talking about? One of the bolts that was behind the pulley?
Originally Posted by DLV555
The top bolt holds that bracket in place it doesn't JUST hold the smog pump. Someone said it is also an open hole in the block if you don't put the bolt back in, but I wouldn't know about that.
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Originally Posted by F&Ybodlover
thanx
I'll put that bolt back in tommorow, I just love all the steps to this mod, that weren't included in the tech
does that hole have any effect on the way the car runs?
does that hole have any effect on the way the car runs?
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I removed 3 bolts on the bottom, still stuck. Any help greatly appreciated, it's gonna get dark soon
anyone who has removed their know what size it is?

