Hey guys if you dont know i have a very nice 90 Camaro RS. The car is great handles good and every thing. But it has the 305 tbi. Now i am 17 dont have alot of money and have to pay for my gas and insurence. My dad has a 69 mustang mach 1 i know some of you dont like the mustangs but the 69-70 mustang is a very bad azz car. It has the 351 clevland runin a good 650hp. Now what i want to know is what is some mods i can do?
Should i try nos?
Should i put a stall and cam/lifters?
Or should i wait a year or so and put a 350 in it?
I just want to have a car where i can laugh at all the *****s at my school.
I HATE them weedeaters!!!!!!!
So any edvice will help me out.
thanks
kevin

 

I would probably wait for the 350. If you wanted to keep the 305 you could do exhaust, intake, cam sfc converter. This should get you in the 300 range and pretty lethal on the streets

 

You should make up your mind whether you want performance or economy, because they really dont go together. With an LO3 you basically need to replace all of the exhaust, the whole engine(heads too), if you are going to make power. You need a 350, not some part store van engine either. SOmething with decent comp ratio and a decent cam, and some heads that arent garbage.

Id like to see the dyno showing a 351 clevelend putting out 650hp. Those engines sucked.

 

Ok i would like to get to the 400 mark some day but i guess 300 wouldnt be to bad for now. So if i did the intake, carb, cam/lifter, 2500 stall, and i already have a flowmaster. so how much do you think all that would cost.

Then dude you dont know a hole lote about the clevland the stock heads on them was 2.19 that is alot bigger than any 2.02. It has .720 in lift on the cam it is a beast!!!!!!

 

Dude Iknow a lot more than you think. The stock clevelend was junk. Lo po at its best. No way did it have a .720 lift cam in it. they were dogs.

351 c.i. @ 250 h.p. w/9.5:1 compression with two barrel carburator.

351 c.i. @ 300 h.p. w/11.1.1 compression with four barrel carburator

those specs are from 1970, the best year for a 351. BTW, before you tell me what i dont know, read my profile and find out who I am. I may know a little more than you think.

 

Yes it was rated at 300hp heres the dyno papers if you want more tell me!

 

Heres a couple more. Also can post more if wanted!!!

 

What the hell is that, a desktop dyno sheet? You can post any garbage you want, the 351 clevelend is a POS. Sure, some fool can dump a ton of money in it and make power. But, stock, they sure didnt. And I wouldnt bet that one does either. NO WAY is he doing that with stock heads. NOT HAPPENING!

 

btw, 351 clevelends also dont have roller cams stock.

 

No really, we had a shop redo the hole engine! You think a stock cam came with a .720 lift lol. what ever i send pics of all the papers i got. But what ever dont care what you think about the clevland but look up the nickname for it lol. I just want to get some advice from you guys that know alot about these camaro i dont know a hole lot about these cars.

 

No i dont think so. I dont need to look up the name, i have pulled countless 351 turds out of fords. Being a mechanic I see lots of crap everyday. I probably know a lot more than you may think.

 

All i am saying it is not the best engine but the 4 v clevlands are better than what you think. They made them in 70-74 of course. Its not no 400m the one we got. So ya the 71-73 didnt have the power same as any engine b/c the hp went down.

 

Full exhaust from headers on out and prom tuning for the TBI. The exhaust will support a 350 later and you'll need to tune your TBI to any mods you do to get the full potential from IT. Good flowing exhaust and a less restrictive intake mixed with some tuning may net you more power AND better economy.

 

Ya back then once i first got my car i wanted it loud and wanted to sound mean. It dose but its a y pipe with the stock mainfoilds. When i went to get a price i wanted duals with headers at muffler brothers and the guy said i couldnt do it. So i was a retard and went ahead and did that with no cat for $320. So once i get a new engine or something and i want duals with headers where should i go?

 

the 4v clevelands are decent flowing heads, although the cross section volume is so large that they lack velocity. Essentaily what you end up with is a head that will flow great, but not perform under 3k rpms. The later 351m, was a really godawful thing.

 

the 4v clevelands are decent flowing heads, although the cross section volume is so large that they lack velocity. Essentaily what you end up with is a head that will flow great, but not perform under 3k rpms. The later 351m, was a really godawful thing.

 

Well you can believe what you want ok. I have one and i know what it can and cant do all i am saying is that we got a little under 10k in the engine and when a car leaves a burnout mark in 4th gear that is one hell of a car! So i am done talking about the clevlands.

 

dude, i am agreeing with you, kind of. read again.

 

AMEN! My old smogger Ranchero was a dog. The 351m is a smaller bore 400 block. Less performance, more weight...musta been a Ford thing.

 

dude,
i got a 305 in my 92 rs, with hooker shorties and a y-pipe, and it sounds pretty mean. its still a 305 but sounds sooooo good dude. only prob is all the gt's and other z28's that want to race you. still it sounds good, and if you get it to look good, thats all that matters. to me, looks and sound is what its all about. do you really think girls like a car b/c of how much horses you got under the hood? no, they dont even know what that carp is. and really what do we have third gens for huh? girls love these cars and thats why i got mine!!!

 

Ok enough of the 351 it sucks it dosent suck what ever not mine its my dads. With my car yes the girls like it sounds good but when i am in my dads car it has a feeling that i have never felt before that power it has. I LOVE that feeling of power and if i could get a little over half of what hes got to back my car up i guess it will be ok. My freinds have cars with 6s and they will beat me but they think my car is alot faster because of the tq that we got and the dont. So how much would it cost to buy a 350 tpi or carbed out of a junkyard and rebuild making lets say 350hp? Which one would you guys go with tpi or carbed?
thanks
kevin

 

If i had a tpi car, i would leave it TPI. However, 350 hp is easy and cheap with a carb. IF thats what you like, go for it.

 

Just woundering how is it cheaper? and how much do you think it would cost?
thanks
kevin

 

By going carb you dont have tuning issues to worry about with tpi. You also dont have to replace the entire tpi system to make power above 5k. A decent set of home ported 416 heads, an edelbrock intake and a decent carb of whatever flavor you like is a great combination. you can pick up a junkyard HEI, and order a cam. Its easy to make 350 hp that way. Reasonably cheap too. TPI can make 350 hp too, someone will come in here and argue with me for sure, but regardless, if you dont mind a carb, its an easy way to do it.

 

Ok thats cool and can work on a carb. So how much money do you think were lookin at here for a 350 or 400 hp motor?
thanks
kevin

 

if you can get a good running shortblock used for 200-400 you can get some good heads(aftermarket) for about 800. Youll need a 150 dollar intake, a cam and lifter set(200-500). A carb 250-500. Dizzy 25 bucks at the junkyard. Theres more to it, and you will find all kinds of little ****, but thats a basic part list. Possibly cables, linkage. YOur 700r4 wont like it. You will def need a stall converter 350 or so for it.

 

This engine shop around me that did my dads car said that they would put a 350 in for 3500. Thats ok but dont know the hp on it or anything. But if i really go that far wouldnt you guys go with a 383. They sell their own stroker making 500hp for 5000 then the charge 800 to insall. But they will also sell me a remanufactured 350 core for 300 bucks if that good or bad. so i i dont really know.