Ignition Cylinder Removal
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Ignition Cylinder Removal
Here's a problem I'm sure has come up before, but searching, I couldn't find a solution. I need to replace my ignition lock cylinder because I stupidly broke my key. Even that was fine until my friend "helped" me by turning the cylinder to "lock" using my ignition screw driver. So now I can't get it out of lock and my Haynes manual says to turn it to run in order to remove it. Anyone know how to remove the cylinder without being able to do that? I'd also rather not break or drill anything to get this done if possible.
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
you wont need to turn it to run to remove it. the only thing is you will have a little problem when it comes to wiggling out the "key in" buzzer connector with the key is stuck in. it it possible you just cant force it too hard or you will damage the little plastic part. i am assuming that this is for your 3rd gen that is listed by your pic.
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
It's been awhile since I've taken out an ignition cylinder so I may have forgotten a thing or two.
I think the only way to get the lock out of the column without damage is to remove the steering wheel, take out the turn-signal assembly and remove the one screw that holds the cylinder in. There is a plastic piece for the key buzzer (like grumpygreaseape said) that will have to be removed.
I know my explanation is generic but I could spell it out further if that's what you decide to do.
Otherwise, did you try rocking the wheel back and forth while turning the lock with your screwdriver? Maybe there is pressure from the steering preventing you from turning the lock.
I think the only way to get the lock out of the column without damage is to remove the steering wheel, take out the turn-signal assembly and remove the one screw that holds the cylinder in. There is a plastic piece for the key buzzer (like grumpygreaseape said) that will have to be removed.
I know my explanation is generic but I could spell it out further if that's what you decide to do.
Otherwise, did you try rocking the wheel back and forth while turning the lock with your screwdriver? Maybe there is pressure from the steering preventing you from turning the lock.
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
Thanks for the responces guys. I'll get a steering wheel puller and get at with my next paycheck. I did try wiggling the steering wheel and turning the screwdriver, but the part of the key that broke off isn't inside. I broke it back when I thought a key was made with real metal and would make a good prybar. Oops. Good to know I'm not screwed. Now to get it done soon so I can move it to its storage place for winter. Snow is already on the ground! Thanks again.
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
In my generic reply I didn't mention that you'll need a lock plate depressor tool as well.
I think you can rent both the steering wheel puller and the lock plate depressor tool at AutoZone or NAPA.
But don't quote me!
I think you can rent both the steering wheel puller and the lock plate depressor tool at AutoZone or NAPA.
But don't quote me!
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
That's good info to have, I would have gotten home and started swearing that I had to make another hour long trip to the store, so thanks. which is the lock plate? Is it that little shiny metal ring the sort of goes around the cylinder, looking from where the key goes in, but somewhat recessed?
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
i didnt need a steering wheel puller. i think i did, i dont know, but you dont need to turn key to run, i lost my keys when had to change the ignition lock. took 10 minutes. reinstall the steering wheel perfect, or youll be back. and be careful with the c-clip. its important, wear safety goggles.
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
i didnt need a steering wheel puller. i think i did, i dont know, but you dont need to turn key to run, i lost my keys when had to change the ignition lock. took 10 minutes. reinstall the steering wheel perfect, or youll be back. and be careful with the c-clip. its important, wear safety goggles.
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
youll need a puller then, i meant youll be back because if you dont align the splines with the wheel. you wont have that center with your steering wheel.. Get it? the center of which the steering wheel is sync with the cars steering. For example, the steering wheel wont be true straight while driving. it will look ghetto. a cockeyed steering wheel haa
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
lol, ok. I read you now. Why not put it on 90 degrees from center? I could drift with the wheel straight.
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
i used to drift, its fun. my old Dunlops are toast because of it. but i hurt my steering in the process. I still occasionally drift, but not fast anymore. the front steering components bends too easily.
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
Thats good to know. I don't really go that fast while going it, but intend to replace all the front suspension fairly soon. Mostly just powerslides. Tires only last me about two months. What in particular tends to bend?
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
stick the piece of the old key back in and you sould be able to turn it from lock
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
the tie rods i think. i did a minor front end rebuild and still cant get it to go straight (it vears to the right). im missing something. It could be the tires from before that the tread worn down so much crooked, that even with new struts, inner outer tierods, tie rod seelves, ball joints, bearings, and one strut mount. i suspect a bad bushing or the centerlink and idle arm, and pitman arm, maybe to blame. oh well, gotta wait to see
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
ah sticky situation, what i do then it wiggle a torx bit past the little clip for the key in, remove the retaining screw for the lock, this usually breaks the little tab, for key in, but wont harm it, pull your ignition out.
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
you might be able to get some beer if you finish in time.
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Re: Ignition Cylinder Removal
yeah, i replaced the tierods, struts, one strut mount, tie rod seelves, bearings, rotors, balljoints. I was a little low on change and couldnt get the pitman arm and idler arm, center link, bushings, other strut mount... thats wats next on the list. the car did get an alignment. im thinking the wear in the tire is draging it right. im going to replace the above parts i didnt get too before, and get new tires everntually, i got flat spots in them too. anyways ya.
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