Originally Posted by DAVECS1

Look around on the site I have seen some sensational engine bays on here. Stuff I drool over. That type of bay though will require a complete tear down some body skills, and being handy with the paint. If you just wanna get rid of some engineering stuff that only works on well cared for cars and ultimately will not do you much good unless you are in one of the lucky states that require an inspection look closely at this and some other cars. The air pump is a failed idea, it can be removed, replaced with a non air cat, and the car can be tuned for better efficiency assuming you have TBI or TPI. As stated before the Heater hose routing can be moved or all together simplified. Why GM left it hangin over the valve cover with no support seems pretty bonheaded or lazy to me. The harness in the engine bay is atrocious, but it takes good documentation and some know how to get that moved correctly. Here is my attempt at cleaning a mess, who knows it may be more messy, but I like it.





The work here is probably not noticeable, but it did all of 2010 Power Tour, many people mistook it for stock, which is cool by me :-)

Originally Posted by BluFBdy

technically. not actually. IF a cop wanted to be a real jerk he could hit you with a ticket for tampering with federally regulated pieces...

however in the real world unless he is tearing your car down youll never have an issue with it, ive been pulled over god knows how many times and only 1 asked me to pop the hood, but he was just being cool and talking about the camaro with me lol

go for it, just keep the parts that way if you need to put them back you can

Originally Posted by sofakingdom

Those are 2 very different things.

The first is done at the quarter car wash, then perhaps in more detail with a rag or sponge. It is done by people who want their cars to work right and be dependable, and who take pride in caring well for them.

The second is typically done by ignorant people who (a) can't assemble a car sufficiently well to where they can just DRIVE IT and LEAVE IT ALONE and don't have to fiddle with it constantly; (b) are clumsy and careless; (c) are ignorant, so they don't know what any of that stuff does and don't care to find out; and/or (d) don't understand that NONE of it has really ANYTHING to do with why their car isn't fast. So instead of calling what they're doing by its real name, which is HACKING, they substitute... that other phrase ..., that makes HACKING sound like something positive. It's not.

So in short:



are for any kind of car. Similarly,



is a pretty good description: they're either for purpose-built race cars that need to have as little as possible extra weight that doesn't directly contribute to winning races, or for cars that spend alot of time on cinder blocks. Since it doesn't sound like your car is destined to be either of those things, I'd avoid getting infected with the misguided idea that hacking parts out of your car is somehow an inherently desirable goal.

Besides, the only people who would have the slightest interest in finding out what's under your hood, can't see through your back bumper as you drive off and leave them, anyway, and probably wouldn't understand even if they could; because there's a good chance they're the type that hacks off everything in sight for no reason, and that's tied in with why their car is slow. Now granted, I've only been in this hobby for 35 or 40 years or so, so I definitely haven't seen "it all" and I know I have PLENTY left to learn about it; but in all this time, I have NEVER ONCE found a correlation between a car being desirable (fast, reliable, economical to drive, etc.) and having a clear view of the castings while it's sitting still with the hood open. In fact, seems to me, the correlation is usually the OPPOSITE: the ones that are missing their A/C and accessories, are usually the ones whose owners are complaining about stuff not working, have leaks everywhere, can't drive on a long trip (say, 15 miles or greater) without requiring someone getting out and fussing with something under the hood, and so on; whereas the cars that are COMPLETE but CLEAN are usually the ones you could walk out to the driveway, turn the key, and drive from coast to coast without doing anything more to them than putting in gas every few hundred miles and oil every couple thousand, with the A/C blowing cold and their female companion with them and not griping about the noise, filth, heat, vibration, and all the rest that goes with hacked-up junkers. Between those 2 types of cars, which do you want yours to be more like?

Originally Posted by rs owner

well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by chevysurfer

Ya I never understood, why someone would rip out there A/C! Its crazy. The funny thing is I have actually read post on here where someone pulled there A/C for whatever reason and then talked about reinstalling it, but they probley lost parts or whatever and now where talking about aftermarket units. What a waste of time and money.

If your car is a bad *** restore, or in really good condition and everything is working the way it should, than pulling stuff is in vein. However these cars are old and alot or way beyond peoples wallets to restore or fix. You know theres a thing called dominishing return(you wont get out of it what you put into it). So pulling useless nonworking crap isnt such a big deal. If you have t-tops and your vehicle isnt your main sorce of transportation, what does it hurt to pull A/C crap. If your emmision stuff is no good, clogged not working. Pulling it would probley save you gas, car would run better which is better for everyone. I pulled my cruise control, I dont even know if it worked ive had the car for 8yrs, so obviously I didnt need it. I mean its not a Lincoln Town car, its a Camaro!

Also for most there camaros are there weekend warriors or 3,4 vehicle like me. Not there primary source of transportation. I guess the guy who removed the A/C and left a open hole in the firewall or the guy who pulled the smog crap but didnt pull plumbing or plug holes change belt. Those people would need a talking to I guess. Are the guy that cut the wires going to those things, are left them hangin.