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Old Feb 21, 2011 | 10:41 PM
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Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

79 350 (from z28)
Flat top piston's
Comp cam 284 adv dur 481 lift
Edelbrock performer air gap intake
750 q-jet
Headers (not sure what kind) shorties
Dual exhaust (not true) 2.5"
Not sure on gear ratios but it is posi.
So my question is what's the cheapest heads I can get that will be a step up from the camel humps? Or should I just keep the humps? Everyone always says change them but Will I still be able to use pump gas? Are they really hurting my performance that much?
Thanks for any advice!!!!!!!!!
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Old Feb 21, 2011 | 11:13 PM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

I forgot 700r4 trans
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Old Feb 21, 2011 | 11:29 PM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

Originally Posted by K88-79
So my question is what's the cheapest heads I can get that will be a step up from the camel humps?
Just about anything more modern. Some Vortec heads are good. Even Dart Sportsman cast iron heads are better than old camel heads. Unless you get the old heads for nothing and can get a lot of machine work done for next to nothing, they're not worth using. By the time you do enough work to the heads to make them better, a set of aftermarket heads will still be better right out of the box.

40 years ago, camel heads were a good performance option. Heads have come a long way since then and better aftermarket options are now very affordable.

If the camel heads are untouched, a racer who needs date specific castings may want them. Someone building a period correct car needing castings from that era may want them. For modern day performance, camel heads are a step backwards.
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Old Feb 21, 2011 | 11:42 PM
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Thank you much! Any links for heads? Any good places for used modern heads?
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Old Feb 21, 2011 | 11:59 PM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

Ebay, Summit Racing, or any of the 'stuff for sale' sites like craigslist.
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 12:19 AM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

The new Trick Flow 21° head
www.advancedinductions.com
www.elliotsportworks.com
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 12:26 AM
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Thanks again. Is there a guess on how much HP could be gained with modern heads?
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 12:40 AM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

That's really hard to say with your combo however I have seen on my old car, it had 186 or 187 camel backs,zz9 cam 1.6 rockers she ran 13.3 then I purchased a pair of AFR 190(1992) car went directly to 12.4....... safe to say the heads bottled up a good bit of performance this car was all with a holley750 3310-2
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 12:58 AM
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Wow!! That's a big gain!! but if I was in the 13's I'd probably be happy lol...no really I want to do it right...but after looking around I see prices on heads are high! I'll have to really shop around lolThanks a lot guys.
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 01:25 AM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

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Nice, two dead links to some heads that AFAIK are LT1 only.
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 05:35 AM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

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Nice, two dead links to some heads that AFAIK are LT1 only.
Sorry about the links and NO they are NOT only Lt1 they both do conventional small block chevy also.
search google for advanced induction and or lloyd elliot

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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 11:15 AM
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I need some links to garage sales! Heads are expensive! Lmao
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 92droptopws6
Sorry about the links and NO they are NOT only Lt1 they both do conventional small block chevy also.
search google for advanced induction and or lloyd elliot
I was referring to the 21 degree TFS head. I'm not aware of that being made for the SBC.
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Old Feb 22, 2011 | 03:26 PM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

Anyone from Michigan on here got any heads for sale?
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 02:28 PM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

Theres all kinds of heads out there, you just have to be a craigslist junkie and be ready to drive far to get them. I found my Dart Iron Eagle 180cc heads 4 hours from my house for only $500 new.
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 02:59 PM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

Yes...your right I've been on there everyday so far nothing but a $1300 pair! My girlfriend calls me a "craighead"...lol
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by K88-79
Dual exhaust (not true) 2.5"
Not related directly to your head question, but what exactly do you mean by that? Does all of the exhaust have to go through a single 2.5" pipe at any point? If so, new heads aren't going to help much.

Vortec heads require a new intake manifold, need self-aligning rocker arms, and without modification are limited to about .45" valve lift. That doesn't make them a no-go, but be aware.

If you didn't have a q-jet, I'd say get this kit - http://sdparts.com/details/scoggin-d...ter/sd8060arpm

This one would allow you to keep your q-jet, but wouldn't support the power in the upper RPMs - http://sdparts.com/details/scoggin-d...ter/sd8060akit
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 04:09 PM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

Well...my headers both run to one pipe then to the muffler and then branch off into dual exhaust. I think the main pipe might actually be 3"...not sure though. Thanks for the links I'll check em out.
I had another question....I have a stock torque converter...is that acceptable for a performance package? Or should I change it?
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 04:51 PM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

Also....just asking..if I already have the edelbrock performer intake, why do I need a different intake in order to use the vortec heads?? In the link I checked out it paired up the two.
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 06:15 PM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

This guy lives in Kalamazoo. I think thats central Michigan right. He is selling a set of sbc dart heads for $500. Here is the link http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/pts/2228148381.html
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Old Feb 23, 2011 | 06:42 PM
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Re: Swapin out my camel humps. For what???

You are the man!! Thank-you!!
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