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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 08:04 PM
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Compression/Octane

I'm getting alot of pinning/detonation at WOT over say 4000+ RPMs. The car was dyno tuned but it always pings at higher RPMs at WOT. Tune has 8* base timing and 34* total timing. I have a WB O2 gauge and it doesnt go lean up top even at WOT. I was told by my engine builder that it was a 10.56 compression engine. Tonight I put the numbers in from my build sheet into a Compression calculator.

cylinder diameter - (4.040)
stroke length - (3.750)
number of cylinders- (8)
chamber in cc's - (63)
pistons- - (-6.8)
gasket thickness - (.041)

displacement - (385 cu. in.)

it comes up with a compression ratio of ........ 11.05739

So my question is what octane fuel does a 11:1 engine call for?? I've been running 93 octane with 34* timing and i'm pinning away!!!!

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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 08:14 PM
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Re: Compression/Octane

Take a couple of degrees out of the total timing and see what it does. You may have to bump up the octane a couple more numbers to keep it from pinging.
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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 08:16 PM
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Re: Compression/Octane

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Take a couple of degrees out of the total timing and see what it does. You may have to bump up the octane a couple more numbers to keep it from pinging.
when I went down to 29* total timing I didnt hear it ping. I guess I'll be adding some high octane fuel to my fuel.
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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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Re: Compression/Octane

Also, you may need to look at dynamic compression, not static. I've heard that dynamic compression needs to be at around 8.5:1 for 91 octane, so you may be able to go a little higher for 93. Not too sure how you'd use that info but I know dynamic compression affects pre-detonation more than static.

I heard of a guy running 12:1 static compression on 91 octane because his dynamic was at 8.7:1
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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 08:33 PM
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Re: Compression/Octane

Not an exact answer, but educational for about a 10 min read---

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/theo...legal-gas.html

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tech...78-octane.html
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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 08:46 PM
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Re: Compression/Octane

Originally Posted by oscarfromla
Also, you may need to look at dynamic compression, not static.
A little primer

http://members.uia.net/pkelley2/DynamicCR.html
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