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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 10:47 PM
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I have a 1990 RS. It has a 305HO block, vortec heads, what looks to be a standard intake with a quadrajet 4bbl carb. headman long tube headers and flowmasters and msd ignition with vacuum advance joined to a bw 5 speed transmission.... my low end torque seems to be absent.... what do I check or do.... I just bought the car and the papers and reciepts for the parts and labor where in the console...
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 12:05 AM
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Re: low end torque

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I have a 1990 RS. It has a 305HO block, vortec heads, what looks to be a standard intake with a quadrajet 4bbl carb. headman long tube headers and flowmasters and msd ignition with vacuum advance joined to a bw 5 speed transmission.... my low end torque seems to be absent.... what do I check or do.... I just bought the car and the papers and reciepts for the parts and labor where in the console...
Well, it is a 305 carbed... jk lol I would start of course by upgrading the intake, and then either tuning or replacing the carb. It sounds like you have a decent setup, so you should have SOME power behind it.. I know that stock intake and carb are holding you back though.

Id also check and make sure everything is in good shape and proper tune, a 350hp engine will feel weak if its not running right. Make sure your spark plugs are in good shape, make sure your getting good spark, check filters, ect. ect.
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 12:09 AM
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Re: low end torque

I know if people use platinum plugs instead of copper it looses low end torque.
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 02:59 AM
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Re: low end torque

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what looks to be a standard intake with a quadrajet 4bbl carb. headman long tube headers and flowmasters and msd ignition with vacuum advance
Not that I have any experience with it, but doesn't the stock cc qjet require the computer and cc dist (non vac) to work correctly as a whole system?
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 09:07 AM
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Re: low end torque

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I know if people use platinum plugs instead of copper it looses low end torque.
It is possible, conditionally, but it is not requisite. Here's the deal: Platinum plugs get hot and stay hot. If this causes pre-ignition, then the computer pulls timing, thinking the knock sensor is reading detonation. Platinum plugs are not for engines originally equipped with copper-core plugs AND with knock sensors. However, platinums in Vortecs is not inherently problematic.
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 09:08 AM
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Re: low end torque

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Not that I have any experience with it, but doesn't the stock cc qjet require the computer and cc dist (non vac) to work correctly as a whole system?
Not all Q-Jets are computer-controlled. In fact, the vast majority aren't.
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 09:10 AM
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Re: low end torque

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Well, it is a 305 carbed... jk lol I would start of course by upgrading the intake, and then either tuning or replacing the carb. It sounds like you have a decent setup, so you should have SOME power behind it.. I know that stock intake and carb are holding you back though.

Id also check and make sure everything is in good shape and proper tune, a 350hp engine will feel weak if its not running right. Make sure your spark plugs are in good shape, make sure your getting good spark, check filters, ect. ect.
Changing the intake manifold won't help. Going TPI could, but this is a tuning problem, unless there's some wild camshaft in there that the OP didn't tell us about. Also, if the Vortecs weren't milled, then the loss of compression will hurt.
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 09:18 AM
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Re: low end torque

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Not that I have any experience with it, but doesn't the stock cc qjet require the computer and cc dist (non vac) to work correctly as a whole system?
This is true, I hadent even noticed this. If you are running the stock carb with a non computer controlled distributor, your car will run in "limp mode". It runs much weaker and less efficient because the computer is looking for imput from the distributor but insnt getting any. you have to do either all CC or no CC.

I just switched to platinum plugs, and pretty much every "gear-head" i know runs them, and ive never heard any compliants on loss of torque. I have a few friends with camaros (3rd gens even) and they said its only helped, no loss of torque.
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 09:36 AM
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Re: low end torque

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This is true, I hadent even noticed this. If you are running the stock carb with a non computer controlled distributor, your car will run in "limp mode". It runs much weaker and less efficient because the computer is looking for imput from the distributor but insnt getting any. you have to do either all CC or no CC.

I just switched to platinum plugs, and pretty much every "gear-head" i know runs them, and ive never heard any compliants on loss of torque. I have a few friends with camaros (3rd gens even) and they said its only helped, no loss of torque.
Guys, it's a '90, there was no carb offered. If it's a CC dizzy with any carb, then it could be in Limp-Home mode, but then there'd be no upper-RPM power, either. So assume non-cc dizzy. Running a CC QJ on a non-CC engine isn't great, but it is driveable, if you can afford the gas. I had to do it once, so I know.
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 11:57 PM
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Re: low end torque

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Guys, it's a '90, there was no carb offered. If it's a CC dizzy with any carb, then it could be in Limp-Home mode, but then there'd be no upper-RPM power, either. So assume non-cc dizzy. Running a CC QJ on a non-CC engine isn't great, but it is driveable, if you can afford the gas. I had to do it once, so I know.
I have had to do this with a previous car as well, so I know what you mean. But the op doesnt describe anything very well, and although hes gotten plenty of answers and suggestions, he hasnt answered back to any of them either.

As of now im thinking its either mis-matched cc and non-cc, or a tuning problem. The compression issue is also very possible. Itd help greatly if we knew more
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 12:07 AM
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Re: low end torque

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It is possible, conditionally, but it is not requisite. Here's the deal: Platinum plugs get hot and stay hot. If this causes pre-ignition, then the computer pulls timing, thinking the knock sensor is reading detonation. Platinum plugs are not for engines originally equipped with copper-core plugs AND with knock sensors. However, platinums in Vortecs is not inherently problematic.
I've never heard of this problem, in fact ive had very many people speak very highly of them and recommend them.I just switched from copper to single platinums ad havent noticed any difference, BUT i have been noticing that sometimes it will pull like an animal and sink me into my seat, and others it seems lacking. Usually when its at 160-220ish. I have stock heads (l98). Could what you said be what im talking about?
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 11:10 PM
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Re: low end torque

guys there is no computer. The carb is not the computer type. The ignition is MSD vacuum advance type. No idea about the cam, carb is a quadrajet.
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 11:13 PM
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Re: low end torque

Black88z
whats wrong with the intake and carb....
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 11:15 PM
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Re: low end torque

Jay173 tell me more about the plugs....
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 11:17 PM
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Re: low end torque

Atilla the fun, the car has 9.5 to 1 compression.
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 11:19 PM
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Re: low end torque

Black88z I just got out of the Hospital..... Now I'm back....
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 11:20 PM
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Re: low end torque

305s aren't big on torque to start with & you put long tube headers which only pushed the power band up even higher, killing off torque.

So you ha 2 strikes against building torque to start with, even though you have Vortech heads which will help to keep some. If you had 3rd gen 305 heads it would be even worse. Are they 305 Vortech or 350 Vortech heads?
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