Tech / General Engine Is your car making a strange sound or won't start? Thinking of adding power with a new combination? Need other technical information or engine specific advice? Don't see another board for your problem? Post it here!
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: CARiD

"Standard" ARP oil pump stud and M55A oil pump

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 22, 2012 | 02:17 AM
  #1  
morgsie's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 454
Likes: 6
"Standard" ARP oil pump stud and M55A oil pump

Hey guys went to install my oil pump into my L05 block this evening and ran into a problem. With the stud installed finger tight and torqued to 55 ft-lbs with ARP fastener lube under the washer and nut, the stud does not protured above the top of the nut. You can see that the stud is about 4 or 5 threads short to stick out above the nut. I used ARP kit #230-7001 which is for the standard oil pump which is what my machine shop told me I would need for my M55a oil pump. My gut tells me I should run a longer stud (kit # 230-7003) to achieve this but is it all right to loosen the stud a few turns to achieve what I want. Or should I just get the longer stud?

Thanks.

PS: I measured the depth to ensure the stud wouldn't bottom out on the main bearing. I have about 1/16 to 1/8" clearance with the stud bottomed in the taper. FWIW.

Last edited by morgsie; Aug 22, 2012 at 12:01 PM. Reason: wrong ARP p/n posted
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2012 | 06:47 AM
  #2  
TTOP350's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 12,213
Likes: 1,140
From: Il
Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: "Standard" ARP oil pump stud and M55A oil pump

Did you have the stud and pump body on when the crank bore was checked? or did you have the factory bolt on the pump?
I haven't used the pump stud before.
Maybe calling ARPs tech line will help you..
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2012 | 06:54 AM
  #3  
Damon's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Sep 1999
Posts: 7,072
Likes: 13
From: Philly, PA
Re: "Standard" ARP oil pump stud and M55A oil pump

Yeah, I'd call ARP and ask them.

I agree that anything that uses a nut should have enough threads to go all the way through the nut.
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2012 | 12:08 PM
  #4  
morgsie's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 454
Likes: 6
Re: "Standard" ARP oil pump stud and M55A oil pump

Originally Posted by TTOP350
Did you have the stud and pump body on when the crank bore was checked? or did you have the factory bolt on the pump?
I haven't used the pump stud before.
Maybe calling ARPs tech line will help you..
The original setup before the rebuild was the factory pump with a bolt. I phoned ARP they instructed to get the longer stud kit (230-7003). Install instructions are what I listed above: install stud finger tight, can back it just off the taper if desired, loctite not necessary. Put ARP fastener lube under the nut and torque to 55 ft-lbs.
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2012 | 01:24 PM
  #5  
TTOP350's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 12,213
Likes: 1,140
From: Il
Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: "Standard" ARP oil pump stud and M55A oil pump

If the block was machined with the factory bolt holding the pump, thats prolly what you should use.
If you had the stud on when it was machined then use that.
"supposedly" the stud and bolt pull different and could cause the bore to go outa round. You may be fine if its a street motor..
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2012 | 11:28 PM
  #6  
1986Z28OWNER's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 962
Likes: 13
From: Canada
Car: 1979 Malibu
Engine: Blown LSx
Transmission: T56 Magnum
Axle/Gears: 9"/wavetrac/35's/3.70
Re: "Standard" ARP oil pump stud and M55A oil pump

Use the HV stud from ARP, the standard one is to short for the new body standard volume melling pumps.
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2012 | 11:31 PM
  #7  
1986Z28OWNER's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 962
Likes: 13
From: Canada
Car: 1979 Malibu
Engine: Blown LSx
Transmission: T56 Magnum
Axle/Gears: 9"/wavetrac/35's/3.70
Re: "Standard" ARP oil pump stud and M55A oil pump

Originally Posted by TTOP350
If the block was machined with the factory bolt holding the pump, thats prolly what you should use.
If you had the stud on when it was machined then use that.
"supposedly" the stud and bolt pull different and could cause the bore to go outa round. You may be fine if its a street motor..
You are correct about the stud having a different effect on the cap then a bolt, when we cut the align bore on a block we have a cut off oil pump that we torque on with either a stud or a bolt depending on the customers application. As it can enlarge the housing bore by as much as 0.0005" This also applies to when I do bearing clearance as it will have the same effect...
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
TreDeClaw
Theoretical and Street Racing
11
Jun 22, 2021 08:21 PM
355tpipickup
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
1
Aug 25, 2015 12:54 AM
LT1Formula
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
7
Aug 20, 2015 09:36 PM
TreDeClaw
Transmissions and Drivetrain
15
Aug 14, 2015 06:58 PM
mcquigg
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
0
Aug 13, 2015 02:26 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:40 AM.