Tech / General Engine Is your car making a strange sound or won't start? Thinking of adding power with a new combination? Need other technical information or engine specific advice? Don't see another board for your problem? Post it here!

spark plug diagnosis

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-08-2017, 10:45 PM
  #1  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Tootie Pang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,972
Received 124 Likes on 91 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC Convertible
Engine: 350 TPI L98
Transmission: WC T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42
spark plug diagnosis

Did my plugs. They all looked good except for 2. which was really fouled up. Pics of the plugs are layed out from the cylinders as if you are looking at the engine from the front of the car.

Car runs very smooth now after cap, rotor, wires, and plugs. Welcoming any thoughts on the plugs. Car has 116,000 miles. I have not checked compression but it runs strong.






Old 03-09-2017, 08:14 AM
  #2  
Moderator

 
AlkyIROC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
Posts: 17,110
Likes: 0
Received 120 Likes on 101 Posts
Car: 87 IROC L98
Engine: 588 Alcohol BBC
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/31 spline spool/4.86
Re: spark plug diagnosis

That could be something as simple as valve seals
Old 03-09-2017, 08:46 AM
  #3  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Tootie Pang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,972
Received 124 Likes on 91 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC Convertible
Engine: 350 TPI L98
Transmission: WC T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: spark plug diagnosis

Thanks. Does the test below still hold true?

Hard acceleration smoke: piston rings worn
Hard Engine Braking deceleration (high vacuum): valve stem seals worn
Old 03-09-2017, 09:14 PM
  #4  
Moderator

 
AlkyIROC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
Posts: 17,110
Likes: 0
Received 120 Likes on 101 Posts
Car: 87 IROC L98
Engine: 588 Alcohol BBC
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/31 spline spool/4.86
Re: spark plug diagnosis

If you want to test the rings, do a compression and leakdown test.

There's no easy test for valve seals. Typically you'll get a puff of smoke on startup from the oil that leaks past the seals when the engine is shut off. Intake seals are more easy to detect because the piston is pulling air/fuel into the cylinder when the valve is open. A leaking seal will also allow oil to get pulled down the valve guide. Exhaust valves however are closed when the piston is moving so any oil leaking past the seals gets pushed out the exhaust.

If you want to know the condition of the valves seals, you remove the valve springs for inspection. Chances are they're hard and brittle.
Old 03-11-2017, 12:37 PM
  #5  
Member
 
MSgt Luttrell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Waldron Arkansas
Posts: 467
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Car: 1986 IROC Z28
Engine: Carburated small block 454
Transmission: Level 3 Raptor 700R4 2600 stall
Axle/Gears: Strange S60 3:73 S Trac Posi
Re: spark plug diagnosis

That looks like what you would typically see with bad valve seals, a puff of blue smoke at start up and during high manifold vacuum conditions would verify bad valve seals.
Old 03-15-2017, 08:41 PM
  #6  
Member
 
JA411's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: spark plug diagnosis

Don't forget intake gasket leak from lifter valley. Also if fouled are in the rear of engine possible clogged oil return passages. You will know if clogged as soon as you brake valve cover loose.
Old 03-15-2017, 10:55 PM
  #7  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (1)
 
sofakingdom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 26,051
Received 1,672 Likes on 1,269 Posts
Car: Yes
Engine: Usually
Transmission: Sometimes
Axle/Gears: Behind me somewhere
Re: spark plug diagnosis

That's definitely oil. Several cyls have it, that one is just the worst.

Try valve guide seals first. Use the "positive" type; NOT "umbrellas", NOT O-rings. Put in new springs while you're at it.

If that doesn't help, intake gasket is next. Remember, across the bottom, the ports are adjacent to the crankcase. Leak = vacuum will suck in oil.

Doesn't look like plugged return passages; #7 & 8 are no worse than the others.

If it's still like that, start saving up for a short block. A compression test might tell you a little bit about the condition of those; however "good" compression doesn't guarantee good oil rings, and bad compression doesn't guarantee bad rings. You can't readily diagnose down to a specific part that way. Squirting oil into the cyls might show up rings being bad, but if the real problem is valves and seats, and any oil gets on them, it'll seal them up somewhat too.




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:07 PM.