Don't believe it then, but 13.31 at 101.11 with a 1.83 60' on Quick Time Pros.

He has FMS headers, Mac Prochamber, Mac Cat-back, pulleys, K&N, SSM lift bars, Lakewood shocks, struts, 3.55s, Aluminum DS, Pro 5.0 shifter 5" tach w/lite, and weight removed. He also has 4" Convo Pros, and GT turbines on the back!!!

It is a 1991 Hatch!

 

Don't get me wrong, bud. I believe you, and that is a gorgeous looking hatchback. I'm just saying that it's not the typical, guy-on-the-street. I'm a mustanger, so you know that i'm not bull****ting you when I say that I see guys with h/c/i combos running 13.5s because they can't tune or drive for ****.

Chris

 

You still didn't answer my question, WHY IS YOUR CAR ONLY RUNNING 13.9 AND YOUR DADS IS RUNNING FASTER??? You seem to have significant motor mods. And I know you have traction, those are big DR's.

 

Actually he cuts 1.8 60's and my best is 2.0, and they really don't hook at all.

Plus, my car was put together all at once, not allowing for any tuning between parts. A guy with a similar combo as me runs 12.5s, I just need to get traction, and drive it harder.

Oh ya at the time of that run I had 1 week of 5-speed driving under my belt.

 

i finally lined up w/ the stang. his car was mysteriously gone for about a week and when he brought it out last night it sounded mean, i'm sure he modded it more. but it was a motor vs motor race. i told him no spray. i got about the Sh*tyest launch u could imagine, the tires didn't get heated too well becuase we were in a rush becuase we seen some suspecious people watching, i launched at about 2,200rpm and it spund bad till mid 2nd gear. i still managed to get him off the line and he has 4.11 gears and DR's. about when i started to hook he passed me and he stayed 1-1/2 cars ahead and we shut it down at about 95 mph that's where a side road marked the finish. it seemed that if i got a crazy launch i'd stay ahead becuse he never pulled anymore after 3rd gear, he just stayed a constant 1-1/2 cars ahead. we will re race again sometime after i got my launch down. i seriously have traction issues, lol i am runn'n NITTOS still but they are bald as f**k, plus it was like 45 degrees out last night and i didn't heat em up as well as i should have.

any tips for a launch w/ my modded 305 w/ 5-speed combo. i will soon have bran new nittos. (it's a daily driver so the new tires must be a radial type, no slicks or et streets) but any one w/ experience w/ my set up? what rpm luanch should i be at?

 

You are gonna need more than simply 'learning to launch'. If you have enough power, the tires are gonna break loose whether you like it or not.Try to launch it at about 1800 rpm, that seems to work best for me, (I have 3.73's) Heat those nittos up like a Mexican's Bike. HOT. I would suggest going and getting some LCA's before you race him again. And if you can, try to do some small things to get some more upper end power so you will pull on the top end.

What did you end up setting your timing at????

 

Are you doing a 2nd gear burnout?

 

That is why it is street racing, it leaves room for error! Just get some ET Streets, I even have traction problems with those!!!

 

You're running too much air in them then.

 

Sorry, bud, but if you're having traction problems with ET Streets and the combo in your sig, you're doing something wrong.

Chris

 

LOL, your still up with your twisted facts?? :nono:

I thought STOCK 5.0's can do 12's

Finally I can agree, I know several guys with aluminum heads/cam/etc stuck in the 15s and 14s. Yes, they can drive too!
A guy that hooks 1.8's at the track on heated tires launching on concrete might not get as nice as a launch on old streets either.

wow congrats! Here's a cookie!!


LMAO, no offense, but thats the dumbest thing I've ever read! :sillylol:

 

Wow, can anyone say welcome to last month!!! I thought we were over that, but I guess it takes a more mature person to get over it, and doesn't it suck that the 17 year old here has to be more mature than YOU!!! And until you have FACTS don't start calling BS on me, look at Bob Cosby, and believe it! That is all I have to say!

 

last month eh... sorry about that, i guess i got confused when the last post was posted on the 7th of october
I'm not on this message forum everyday like an unemployed teenage either so that doesn't help.


5.0mustang, your facts are twisted. simple as that.

If you really are as mature as you claim.. why do you insist on trying to convince us with these mystical mustangs of yours.

mustangs aren't everything. grow up kid

 

I wouldn't call them mystical mustangs. If so I saw his dad's mystical 13.3 5.0 lx sitting in the garage at his house when i went there to pick up the D/R's he sold me. 5.0's can do 13's easily on a stock motor. Suspension is the key in those cars. You can have all the go fast goodies you want but if you can't put it to the ground you're screwed. And you're right mustangs aren't everything..neither are camaros or birds.

 

Here is another guy on a Mustang site who will be doing it soo.

"60' 1.81 (much hatred over this)
330' 5.391
1/8 8.399 @ 81.937
990' no time
1/4 13.195 @ 102.926

I'm trying for a stock motor, stock suspension, full weight 12.99...
Getting there..."

And his sig reads:
'92 coupe, MAM, exhaust, gears, otherwise factory original. Best 1/4 13.195 @ 102.926.

The reason show low 13 cars is because you won't believe the 12 second cars I post, so maybe you will believe some low 13 cars that will go 12s soon!

And although Cobrakiller didn't see any slips, he did see the mystical car hybernating for a while now! It was real, wasn't it!

 

Oh ya, well this EMPLOYED teenager probably has a nicer car than you, and I actually work on my own car which takes up some time! Oh ya, and it is not a mystical thing either!

 

:sillylol:

what, resorting to petty insults towards my vehicle now? lmao.

I'm not sitting here denying that stangs can perform. they can.
My definition of 'stock' is far different than your terms however. I'm simply sick of hearing about cars with ported heads and intakes, headers, gears and weight reduction being called stock.

Actually I will be doing just that to my brother 79 ghia, ported E7s, carbed with longtubes and a decent cam. am I going to go around calling it stock? hell no! thats just lame.

 

Who ever said anything was ported when I say STOCK MOTOR. I mean 100% untouched factory motor from whenever the car was built! If you mean stock down to plug wires, cap, and rotar, well guess what, they are original! I NEVER said anything but STOCK MOTOR!!! How many times do I have to say this...

STOCK MOTOR, STOCK MOTOR, STOCK MOTOR!!! This has nothing to do with exhaust, gears, tires, or suspension, but the motor.

So basically in your eyes, unless it is 100% off the showroom floor, without touching the air silencer, or tire pressure, it is not stock and therefore cannot be defined under STOCK MOTORED CAR!!!

I don't see where I didn't make myself clear there do you?

 

stock as defined by merriam-webster online dictionary:

1 a archaic : STUMP b archaic : a log or block of wood c (1) archaic : something without life or consciousness (2) : a dull, stupid, or lifeless person
2 : a supporting framework or structure: as a plural : the frame or timbers holding a ship during construction b plural : a device for publicly punishing offenders consisting of a wooden frame with holes in which the feet or feet and hands can be locked c (1) : the wooden part by which a shoulder arm is held during firing (2) : the butt of an implement (as a whip or fishing rod) (3) : BITSTOCK, BRACE d : a long beam on a field gun forming the third support point in firing
3 a : the main stem of a plant : TRUNK b (1) : a plant or plant part united with a scion in grafting and supplying mostly underground parts to a graft (2) : a plant from which slips or cuttings are taken
4 : the crosspiece of an anchor -- see ANCHOR illustration
5 a : the original (as a person, race, or language) from which others derive : SOURCE b (1) : the descendants of one individual : FAMILY, LINEAGE (2) : a compound organism -- compare CLONE c : an infraspecific group usually having unity of descent d (1) : a related group of languages (2) : a language family
6 a (1) : the equipment, materials, or supplies of an establishment (2) : LIVESTOCK b : a store or supply accumulated; especially : the inventory of goods of a merchant or manufacturer
7 a archaic : a supply of capital : FUNDS; especially : money or capital invested or available for investment or trading b (1) : the part of a tally formerly given to the creditor in a transaction (2) : a debt or fund due (as from a government) for money loaned at interest; also British : capital or a debt or fund bearing interest in perpetuity and not ordinarily redeemable as to principal c (1) : the proprietorship element in a corporation usually divided into shares and represented by transferable certificates (2) : a portion of such stock of one or more companies (3) : STOCK CERTIFICATE
8 : any of a genus (Matthiola) of Old World herbs or subshrubs of the mustard family with racemes of usually sweet-scented flowers
9 : a wide band or scarf worn about the neck especially by some clergymen
10 a : liquid in which meat, fish, or vegetables have been simmered that is used as a basis for soup, gravy, or sauce b (1) : raw material from which something is manufactured (2) : paper used for printing c : the portion of a pack of cards not distributed to the players at the beginning of a game
11 a (1) : an estimate or evaluation of something <take stock of the situation> (2) : the estimation in which someone or something is held <his stock with the electorate remains high -- Newsweek> b : confidence or faith placed in someone or something <put little stock in his testimony>
12 : the production and presentation of plays by a stock company
13 : STOCK CAR 1
- in stock : on hand : in the store and ready for delivery
- out of stock : having no more on hand : completely sold out



hope this clears some things up

 

Guy at work has a fox-body stang, don't recall the year, 89 or newer. LX hatch, slicks, mostly stock motor; he's got the little things, cold air, mass air flow meter, throttle body; 4:10s, and a nice little 150 shot of nitrous, and he was running around 12.5's at one of our local tracks last winter.

 

Friend of mine is a moderator on a Ford site has a bone stock motor with a cold air attached to it and some slicks for the track. Corrected at 1.15 ratio his '89 T-5 dyno'd at the crank 261hp and 346lbs torque.

I've seen this before with 5.0s -- Ford told tall tales about the power ratings. When you see "Ford 302" insofar as power comparisons go, think 350 Chev they are rated about the same. Kind of like the game GM is playing with the 2001-2002 f-bodies with LS1s. My buddies '89 does 14.2s lately, as is. The stock '87-'92 Mustang T-5 is lighter and has a lower 1st gear than the 3rd gen T-5.

Anyone trying to out muscle even a mildly prep'd 5.0 with a 305 is going to be under pressure to perform. Thats just the way it is.

Sorry to hear you lost from a bad launch -- that is also the way it is... better luck next time.

RP.

 

I like cheese!

 

Brad,

I You know how heavy our cars are, those stangs are light./. but your car is pretty fast.. go for it!!


when you gonna get your car out??

I havent see you out on the race strip lately!!!!??


Chow--

 

MY car NEVER traps LESS than a 100MPH and I have a nice collection of timeslips to prove it. I was trapping 101+ last time at the track in 80 degree weather! My car is FULL WEIGHT as in 3440 lbs and only has exhaust,pulleys,cold air(no gain over stock airbox with silencer removed), AND stock 3.27'sstill that came in the car optional since it was an auto. I run consistent high 13's on my stock 16" rims with Nitto's and only 2.05-2.16 60 ft's. 100% stock suspension ..no mods at all to it. ALL accesories I have A/C and everything..NO short belt. I ran my cousin's 89GT a few weeks ago..only mods are 3.27 gears,catback. K&N drop in, and pulleys. I ran a 14.09@100.1 and 2.19 60ft with 225/60 Yokohama tires spinning in 1st then into 2nd. I had to slip it out to get it off the line. Car is full weight GT with all options and again..no short belt. Both car were run as they are on the street...full trim. For comparison. My buddies 100% stock 93GT AOD ran a 14.88@96.5 with a 2.16 60ft!PLUS..it had heavy Cobra R 17's! That is one of the slowest cars of all..AOD GT..mine was one before..I ran a 14.90@94 with mine in 90 degree weather and heavy a** 17's. I was just reading this until I see that you have no clue about Mustangs and there trap speeds and times. BTW...I have a full stereo system that is not removable and a spare tire AND jack still as you can see by what my car weighs.BTW...my friends 88LX with just the sway bar removed got a 1.82 60ft time! It ran a 13.68@99.4 . Here is my car....if you want I can post pics of my nice full interior and stereo system...

 

Is 13.31 - 13.46 @ 101 consistent enough over 10 runs in 80+ weather! His car has gone 1.81 60' with some mods done to suspension, and my car with just ET Streets, and skinnies (not ONE suspension mod, with the sway bar) went 1.84, but with bracket racing, and a 14.0 dial (hat to run 225/55/16s first run) I had to let out, and still went 14.066 at 98.22!!!

Chevy-eater, that car looks really clean, I have always loved Black cars. My 1966 coupe was black, and man do I miss that car!!!

 

That's not the least bit consistent. Consistent is being within a few hundreths run after run.

 

I think that's pretty consistent for a manual to be within .15 over 10 total runs, though I'm no pro. Also, I'm sure that at least one of those 10 runs are within hundredths of the 13.31

Chris

 

Treu he has a 5-speed, and his three top runs are 13.31, 13.34, and 13.35 all between 101.11, and 101.28!!! Pretty good for a stick car if you ask me, especially for someone who isn't a bracket racer!

 

Maybe for a non bracket-racer, but from a bracket-racers perspective...9 times out of 10 running with that little consistency wouldn't get you out of the first round.

 

That's pretty harsh Nic. I think a 13.34 on top of a 13.31 would be good enough to get you passed the first round, though I suppose it does depend where and at what event you are competing. Regardless, it's obvious that his dad's car isn't setup for bracket racing. Not to mention that winning bracket racers don't typically drive manuals, and if they do, they aren't actually shooting for the best possible numbers from their car. Just my observation.

Chris

 

mark, my car was out for a bit, but i broke the throttle cable. just got the new one today from the dealer. hopefully the car will be back out for this weekend. i am planing on go'n to great lakes drag way the 19th w/ a bunch of guys, so we will finally see the times this motor is capable of

also we need to get the 3rd gens in rockford together and cruise again like we did in the summer. i'll have to get ahold of u if i'm out this weekend w/ my car.

 

thats a nice looking black stang.... although i like my black 86 z28 a little bit better... ill give those stock 5.0 mustangs credit they are pretty quick.... love eating them up with my 406 though

 

406 small block backed by WC t-5

 

It might sound harsh, but he's been going on non-stop about his dad's car, not his car, for over a month now. It's getting old. We're here with a bunch of F-body guys...none of them care what his dad's Mustang runs. I'm beginning to associate his posts with the quality we're used to seeing out of a certain other 17 year old with a Mustang whose name I won't bring into this. It's a shame, he's a good kid and I like him, but he needs to learn when to quit.

A .04 spread between your 3 best runs in 10 tries is not consistent. It's quick for what it is, which is why I haven't spoken up until now when he uses the term "consistent" to describe it. That kind of ET spread is far from consistent.

I disagree. We're not running delay boxes here. The only way you're going to be consistent is to get the most out of your car each and every run. Bracket racing with a manual car isn't as hard as people would like you to believe. It's all in getting a good launch and hitting your shift points. I did it for 1/2 the season this year and was still able to manage to finish 2nd in points.

 

The reason I talk about his car is because noone believes the 5.0 potential in stock form. I can't prove it with my car because it is not stock, and I will admit I am not the best driver. I use his to show they can be as fast as I say, and it is a car that I can prove is stock. And you don't have to be too consistent at Lebanon Valley, I won 2nd place also, with the auto, and that car was less consistent than his!

And Nic you brought up consitency, saying he could run one 13.3, and all I did was say that he has run a few 13.3s and a few 13.4s at it's current level of mods!

I can understand you being sick of hearing it, but how else do I prove the 5.0s potential, when all these guys see are 14 second heads/cam/intake Mustangs and think there is nothing better out there! If you tell me a better way I will gladly try it and see if anyone believes me!

 

I never brought up consistency until you did. My idea of consistency is being within .05 run after run after run through the course of an entire season. You may get lucky and win a round here and there with less consistency, but not many and not often. At any rate...it's not really that important. On to the next issue...

Why do you feel like it's your job to prove it? You and I both know that it's easy to run high 12's in a 5.0 without ever touching the motor. Big deal if someone else doesn't believe you. You can talk util you're blue in the face and some of these guys will never hear you. Don't worry about it and just let them think what they want to think. They're not hurting you and if/when they run into one of these guys on the street and underestimate them, it's their money/pride on the line, not yours.

 

It's just annoying when something my friends and dad strive for is considered impossible and they won't believe it. I guess some people will never get passed brand loyalty!

 

I must say that I feel the same way about them. I'm a mustang guy and it's irritating me to read the same damn thing over and over. It's like a broken record.

Anyway, just take it easy.

Chris

 

Nice car! Whats it run? A buddy of mine has a 400 small block in a 87 S-10 and has run 12.40's with it. Not sure what he has done to it. I know it has a tunnel ram with (2) 4's, 3.73's, a 3000 stall converter in a TH-400..and thats about all I know. He had 28" tall slicks to run those times. He had a 5spd but couldn't keep them together at all. When built right the 400's run good..but I've also seen some that don't.

 

Just to show that this is a 100% street car..no weight savings here! But it's still gotten 103mph traps and ran 13.8's with street tires!

 

Not sure what it will run yet im fighting clutch problems.... this is way off topic but what are 5 speed guys running for clutches? I bought a RAM 3000lb pressure plate and centerforce clutch disk and my slave cylinder didnt have enough power to push it, so i ended up putting a stock 305 clutch in with my 406 and it does not like that at all... its smoked very very bad already... trying to figure out what i am going to do with it, i was thiking of making a mechanical clutch linkage or something... dont know yet though im hoping to run high 12's low 13's with it.

 

Two of my friends have the Centerforce DF set up and one car ran a 11.75@119 and other ran a 10.80@125.7 . I got a 1.58 60ft with the 11.75 time...I drive it at the track for him..and I put it together. On that car..he has over 30,000 miles on the CF clutch..and he has a Kenne Bell SC and makes HUGE torque. Around 386HP and 465 ft. lbs at the wheels. Very light clutch feel. My other friend pulled a 1.42 60ft on that 10.80 run on the stock T-5 still with just a CF DF setup..never slipped. I have SPEC Stage I clutch kit..only cost $190 and is good to 400HP at the wheels. It grabs HARD! Never had it slip yet...stiff clutch pedal though. A guy I knew that had a built up 93 Saleen used a RAM setup but smoked them all the time. How come you didn't use the complete CF setup...just curious. I've heard good and bad about all the brands...but these I have 1st hand knowledge. My dad used a McCleod clutch in his race car...but they are $$$$! Killer clutches though. All depends on how much you want to spend. But it sounds like your slave cylinder has alot ot do with it..

 

If the slave cylinder is not pushing it may be because the RAM's have a really stiff pressure plate. If you used the complete CF setup...I bet it would be better. It takes nothing for effort to push it in since it gets all of it's clamping strength through centrifugal force. As the RPM's raise....the weights move on the fingers forcing the clutch to grab harder. Just a thought....

 

Thanks alot for the info..... Wow sounds like some nice cars. are those third gens running those times or what? I dont know what my problem is... i was thinking maybe a bad slave cylinder or something, i even tried bleeding it while i had the ram setup with the centerforce disk. The only reason i miss matched them is becasue i was orginally going to be putting my motor in my 86 sport coupe with a non world class t5, and i would of needed a special 14 spline disk so i was buying everything sperate, then i came across this 86 z28 and decided to save myself a lot of time and put my motor in it. Now the centerforce setup up will work with my stock slave cylinder for sure right???

Yeah..... the RAM presure plate felt really stiff, it is a 3000lb pressure one... how does this compare to the centerforce.. like how much pressure does a centerforc have... also if you are talking about mustang setups you wouldnt have a slave cylinder right? cause they are cable?

 

I'm on the flip side of 5.0mustang.

While 5.0mustang is trying his best to impress us with his daddies quick car and 'prove' that mustangs are superior, I'm trying my best to remind everyone that they aren't. It's my opinion, that rarely is all the info given when one of these mystical 'stock' mustangs run 12's.

Why don't I believe it? because I haven't seen it for my own eyes.
I've seen LOTS of stangs race, especially this year, heck the group i go racing with are all stang guys! And none of them have come close to running your times, correcting for air density no less. There are too many variables that are either not mentioned or not recognized when talking about car from across the continent.
heck i can say my car runs 12's with $1000 in mods, full weight 3480lbs. *Theoretically* it does, but I bet your already clicking the bs button..

so, your 93gt rated at 225hp..add headers, cai and pullies and now it puts down 270 at the rear wheels? hmmmmmm ok

Hey, if you can run those small numbers where your at, congrats..
maybe yer polluted american air is better for hp or something, who knows
lol jk

I will just say this..if a mustang can run the number, I can't see why a similar setup camaro couldn't either.. any disagreements with that?

 

no dissagreements from me. A friend of mine had a 91 Z with a 350 and a 6 speed out of a newer SS. He had a good deal of suspension mods and header back exhaust. I asked him one day what he was running. He said usually in the mid 13's if traction goes his way. And that wasn't on drag slicks. So if you ask me that's a little better than what the mustangs with similar mods are running. And I believe he only paid $4k for the whole car with all the upgrade that were on it. Now that I mention it I haven't seen him in probably a year. I can only imagine what it has done now. I know he had more mods planned.

 

As I already stated those are my times and those are my mods in my GT. I'm posting just one of my many time slips. I run at Napierville, Quebec ..BTW. The engine has never been touched..stock throttle body and MAf even. THE only mods are ones in my sig! If you have not seen any this quick than you must not be around any good drivers. I got my time slips, my runs on video, and pics of the car. If you go over to the Corral or Stangnet you will see this is the norm for car with bolt ons and thats it. My car is making around 230HP at the wheels probably..not sure. Obviously you know nothing about Mustangs...that is clear. I'm DSBLK93GT in the Corral and BLKGTSTANG in Stangnet if you have doubts. Or..why don't you just come over to my friends board at www.hansenracingteam.com ask in there what I run. OR...ask anyone that runs at my track. You are just being an A** because you can't figure out why Mustang 5.0's can be so fast with so little mods. If you want I go take some nice close up's of my cars engine...the valve covers have never even been off before. It only has 68,000 miles on it...so no need to. I don't have much money to mod it anyway...but I didn't have to spend much to get in the 13's...just have to know how to drive. My times are not corrected either....that's what I run..I have a pile of slips I'd be more than happy to scann them in if you want. I'll post one though for now.. I'm 6982...

 

seems to me this topic is just seeing how much we can beat a dead horse..Who cares?!

 

I think they're out to mutilate the horse...

 

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