just wondering what this would run, i'm very confident i'll kill him but just wanted to know.

these is his set up from what i have heard:

88 mustang lx
5-speed
4.11 gears
k&n filter
forged pistons
drag radials
flowmaster exhaust

he has been run'n round town talk'n **** about my car. once i get her run'n and back out on the road, i will be look'n for this guy

 

um that sounds like a nice setup and with the 4.11s he might take you off the line, if its a notch and hes got headers also watch out. and why would he run forged pistons w/o NOS??? if he has NOS well you know what the out come will be...right?? good luck sounds like it will be relatively close.

 

i think u will prolly take him but those 4 11s are realy gonna help out of the line. i realy donno i think it will be close no matter what. just make sure you get a realy good launch when y do race him

kolby

 

Because Mustangs up to 1993 came with Forged pistons from the factory He really can't claim that as a mod. Oh yeah, Ford's use 4.10's...not 4.11's.

Anyway, 87 and 88's are the fastest stock year for the 3rd gen Mustang not including the '93 Cobra. With a 5-spd, 4.10's and DR's he should have no problem hitting 13's with good driving.

 

i notcied you have aftermarket heads, cam, runners, exhaust, ect... but are you running the stock TPI base manifold? it is the biggest restriction in the intake's design, and with mods like yours, its definately the bottleneck of your combo. if you replace it with an aftermarket manifold, or siamese your stock one, you should see some good gains

 

I believe you two are evenly matched. Just run him heads up and tell us how you make out. Try to find out more on this Mustang. The '87-'92 5.0 Mustangs came with forged pistons from the factory.

 

An 88 (or 87) would be the fastest, especially a coupe. Add the 4.10s, DRs, cat-back, and K&N, should go 13.8s. I think with your mods it would be a good run!

 

Actually, the 93 Mustang 5.0 got hypereutectic pistons. As said above, all 87-92 5.0s got forged pistons stock.

-Todd-

 

A buddy of mine that runs in same points class I do consistently runs in the 14.20's with an 88 coupe with nothing but a K&N and drag radials. He's gone as fast as 13.9x before in good air on well-prepped track. He also drives it like he hates it. :lala:

 

Maybe he's got forged pistons listed as a mod because it's been bored .030" over? Just a wild guess.

I wish my shortblock had forged pistons

 

Yes...i know that....That's why i said "Up to 1993" implying that in 1993, they went to something else


OK..maybe that wording is a little confusing on my part

 

My bad dude, I wasn't flaming. I just wasn't on the same page as you. I guess I didn't read your post too carefully. Besides, I should have remembered you knew that, we had this info posted on here many times before.

BTW, I've seen your car on stangnet and the black interior looks much better than the red, IMHO. I post as "Todd88GT".

-Todd-

 

Ah yeah...i've seen you post before!

Nice to see i'm getting known in the online world!

 

You're famous!

:hail: Mike

 

Nope, he is just a post ***** at the 5.0 non-tech.

Plus, I just haven't posted here because we had some retarded people on this forum, and I just got tired of it.

-Todd-

 

As long as people know me..then i'm a happy man

 

I think the Camaro will win here. Although the Stang has a good setup.

A 350 TPI runs the same as the Stang, but add heads and a cam, now we're talkin. That is if you have full exhaust, which I forgot to check.

 

Word, B, I got a fiddy shot of NAWWWS n a 5" tip. It's gotta b 2 real 4 u cuz u can't ketchup. Word. Ya'll betta reconize n phear, ya hea?

 

LMAO.

 

fo shnizil mah nizil, i was jus bout to dun smack him fo sayin NOS steada nitrous but chu beat ma to it. word out.

 

im just to lazy to type nitrous, dont worry i dont say "NOS" in the realworld, those 4 extra letters tho i dont wanna type.

aint it mang

 

my car still isn't in a drivable condition so i haven't got to race this guy yet, but i got my friend to run him we told him this integra gsr was kill'n z28's so he went ahead and raced my friends integra. we had just got back from the track that day and were heading out to go cruise that night. the integra ran a 15.3, and it only lost to the mustang on the street by 3 cars. this sounds like a slow *** stang to me. i have a feeling he has nitrous though but doesn't waste in on racing imports. i know for a fact now that he has stock 302, just gears and exhaust. how much of a shot can a stock 302 handle? even if he sprays a 100 shot on his probably 14.9 car it wouldn't be close to mid 13's or anything would it? i think i might still have a chance even if he sprays it.

 

Judging by his mods, if his driving is worth more than 2 cents, he ought to be close to mid 13's on motor alone.

 

That is kinda slow for what he has done. I may have more mods on my car now, but i haven't been to the track in over a year with my car. I only had gears and exhaust on my car when i ran the 14.4 @ 98MPH spinning 1st gear. That was also with an automatic transmission too. A 5-spd should be noticably quicker. My car is quicker now but i have just not run it.

A stock 5.0 can take a decent amount of Nitrous. I'd toss a 100shot on my car and not worry at all about it. I had a friend with a stockish 5.0 and a 75 shot running 13.8's.

 

I have seen guys running 225 shots, but I would stay 175 or less. Obviousely the fuel pump and maybe injectors would go, but 175 is very capable!

14.9 is horrible. My car with the AOD, headers, Dynomax mufflers, a B-303 cam (that actually hurt with the auto) and 3.73s went 14.9. He should be high 13s at least! My dad has tires, 3.55s, exhuaust and suspension and went 13.31 at 101!!!

 

This 1LE Z- is gonna rip this stang a new A-hole!!!! Can Anyone else here read!!!!Geez, Aluminum heads, Big cam, DRAG RADIALS!!! rev it up, launch the sh*t out of it and you'll beat him by at least 8 lengths, guaranteed. If he's got a 100 shot, it'll be close, but I think you got him either way.

 

You do realize that a combo must be set up right and the parts must all work together in order to see good times. I know guys with aluminum heads, cams and intakes stuck in the mid 14s. And on Drag Radials also!!! Some combos work and some don't, and it is tought o tell without track times!

 

wait i take my prediction back...with the cam and head work...even tho we got the L98 cam which is why we are noticeably faster stock than a 305 AT (besides stick), you should get him easily. I raced an auto stang with exhaust, 4.10s, and no DRs (didn't matter i spun too) and pulled heavily on him. people seem to forget that we have the same hp/torque numbers as the 302s...silly 302s, trix are for kids. neway, ur 1LE too so u got alum driveshaft, a/c delete, yada yada...3.42s, DRs and i know u got siamesed intake. I say youll beat him down, a notch with full exhaust and free mods (adv ignition, afpr) ran 14.4 @ 98mph, he said he spun, to bad, give me -200 lbs on my car...his car was stick also, not even sure if he had gears, the worst they coulda been was 3.08. i have yet with my current setup to race a 5.0 stang, i think im gonna pick on my buddies modded LX (looks likea 93 cobra), i cant get a stang to race me at all some stang i suppose runs 13.9s and thinks hes the crap, ill give him a run for his money.

oh yea, a stang with a 75 shot up in orland runs fast as hell, tho hes got a cam and probably some 3.73s, i know hes got some big **** meats...that thing is pure street legal and hes gotta be dipping high 12s, im sure thats not all he has done to it either tho.

 

Hey my dads 91 has exhaust, K&N, pulleys, 3.55s, QT Pros, and some suspension work and went 13.31 at 101!!! He will be going for 12s with more weight taken out, and better 60's!!!

Never underestimate a stock looking (or stock) 5.0, they can scare you!!!

 

One more thing. Unless the auto has a manula valve body, 3000+ Converter, 4.10s, and a shift kit you CANNOT compare it to a stick Mustang. They aren't even close. Fast autos run with slow 5 -speeds.

 

wow, i wish i was this optomistic about this race. come on if he has a 100 shot i'm done for

 

I don't think you'll be done for, Think of it this way, you think he has a chance merely because he has 4.10 gears, well thats about all he's got, and if he hits the NOS too early, he's gonna break um loose, hell he would probably have a hard time keeping it straight in 2nd if he hits the switch, I say YOU GOT HIM.

 

If he has 15" drag radials, DONT underestimate him! The 15" if launched right will pull 1.7 60's, similar to an ET Street! If this is the case a 100 shot should put him safely into the low 13s high 12s!

 

Are always surfing these boards looking for posts about Mustangs, and quite frankly, its getting really annoying. I just wrote for like 5 mins and it got erased so I'll try to be cordial. Every time someone talks about racing a Stang you guys always jump in and put your 2 cents in and say watch out for this and that etc. This site is for third-gen camaros and firebirds, not mustangs. If you guys want to surf the boards thats fine, but you guys are ALWAYS defending stangs like they are gods gift to the track. The only stang guy on this board who has a car to watch out for is Nic's, and he doesn't talk smack. Some stangs run, some don't just like thirdgens, nothing special.
The reason why this site exists is because thirdgens kick *** and ther owners are proud of them, Stangs are cool if you like that bodystyle, if you don't (like most of us) that is why we have thirdgens, (or 3 of um ,me) If you look at this post, there are more responses from stangs than other members, so annoying.Guess what stang guys, us thirdgen guys love kickin' other car asses, including stangs, and this is where we talk about it. It's annoying as hell when every time we talk about kickin' stang ***, you guys are here in the blink of an eye to defend.

Heck, you guys are defending this random guys stang and guess what, this 1LE will rip it apart and you guys still defend????Beat it then! Thats why this site is here for support and advice, why can't you guys just tell him he's gonna win??WHY???

Don't start a Flame war here, I know a good deal of other members feel the same, I still wanna here about your guys races. Remember, you're on a site dedicated to Third-Gen Camaros/Firebirds, that's all I ask. If you have input, it should be support!!!!

 

Yeah...mustang guys....even if you think a thirdgen is going to lose, don't tell them. Tell them they'll win, and make up a number of lengths they'll win by, preferably above 15-20. After all, you wouldn't want to give the person your honest opinion, knowing what you do about mustangs. These boards are for blind support, not advice. What were you guys THINKING?

 

For the intelligent remarks, you are obviously not getting it. Why don't you tell me why the Mustang guys are on this site anyway??? I did not say that the Mustang guys should blow sunshine up our asses but if the car is going to win, enough defending already!!!

Anyone who thinks this guy with the 1LE is going to lose is off their rocker, LOOK AT HIS MODS!!! Even if the Mustang has a 100 shot, it'll still be a great race, if not, he's gonna walk all over him. 4,10 gears and drag radials on a relatively stock 302, think about it.

If he has 5 speed, his clutch will most likely slip, if he can catch, i bet his motor bogs. Those gears are awful low for that little motor in that heavy a car. Autos suck, period.

Moreover, the 1LE has a great all around setup and his gears are perfect for that setup. IF THE MUSTANG TAKES HIM OFF THE LINE (he could possibly) THE 1LE WILL RAPE HIM ON THE TOP END.

 

took car out for first time tonight, having probs setting timing, it is close but not the greatest. using the timing light it was way far away from the begining of the #ed tab. but i just realized u have to disconnect some wire first before setting the timing, what my freind said. i'll try tomarrow, well anyway to the good part. i raced my friends 91 Z like mine, to get an idea how fast my car is now. i got a ****ty launch and spun em bad, but cought up and was dead even. he has a 91 350 auto. long tube headers, no cats, flowmaster exhaust, a jet stage 2 chip and airfoil and some k&n's. his car is in top runn'n condition, 60k miles one owner. very clean. we figured it ran high 13's but i should have been way ahead of him. i'm very dissapointed. i didn't figure the timing would have helped me that much if it had been set better. maybe it will. try to adj. it tomarrow better i guess.

 

Surprised at how much of a diff. occurs when you retard the timing on these computer controlled cars. It'll tweak your fuel curve and many other things including full advance. Make sure you set it to at least 10 degrees base, 12 runs really good. You'll be ok, get the launch down though. had you not have had to catch your buddy, what 2-3 lengths, you could have put on him?? Thats not bad and also neither are mid 13's! But you should be runnin faster, I agree. Set that timing and race you friend again, I've a feeling you woop him.

1LE's kick *** :hail: :hail: :hail:

 

Well Im here because I own BOTH cars. they each have there own things I like.

BTW I am oneof those that feel if the stang has NOS the camaro loses. if he doesnt the camaro should win, but it wont be a walk.

 

I'm cool with that, both cars, kind of fun workin on Chevy and Ford eh? I built my Dad's ol' F250, it'll be on the December cover of Four Wheeler. 42 inch swampers, and a 351W, it was a beast. I'm not a 'ford sucks guy' by any means.

And by the way, once he adjusts the timing right, he WILL WALK THIS GUY. Guarantee it, I would probably beat this guy and I know this 1LE would walk me.

 

You don't want an honest opinion from someone who knows what a Mustang can do, not what some kid on the street can do. Would you rather here me say the Mustang will run 15s, and then he gets beat by it. Always expect the worst in every situation. And if it wasn't for some of us Mustang guys on here, you would think all the stangs run 14s!!!

And how about 3.55s on a stock motor with tires, what would that run if you know all about the Mustangs??? We will see if you know enough to make it in the real world!

 

k just cause we dont own mustangs, doesnt mean we know anything. i believe i have more MM&FF magazines than superchevy, or any gm mag. not to mention i have COUNTLESS amount of friends who owned/own mustangs so i have a GREAT idea what a 302 runs. a 3.55 stang with 5 spd should run low-mid 14s (14.2-14.6). im racing my buddies stang if he quits going to his g/fs house, i forget what he has...sounds mean, but my RS sounded mean too. more of an acquantance than a friend. i hate to rag on you, but just cause you own a mustang doesnt mean you know more. theres this beautiful black notch (he should give it to me) 5spd with everything BIG on the car, not matched...heads, cam, intake, gears, this that. my friend that talks to him said he ran 14.2 hahaha thats hilarious, either he had a 2.5 60ft or he missed 2nd and 3rd gear but it should run quicker if he had right components.

give me a 302 notch 5spd and ill put her in the 12s all motor. i was actually just on the crapper reading mm&ff where they got the silver stang on the cover (notch) and the red cobra look alike...man o man, headers for stangscost only like $200, mine cost $350 and SLPs cost $600!!!! put me to the test, i can almost positively say i know more about stangs then camaros, i just like to know the oposition is all

 

p.s. if his maro runs anything like mine (i plan to see his car soon, he lives an hour or two away), id put the camaro up by easy walking...his car should hve no problem hitting 13.4s or 13.5s, consiering he has same mods as i, w/alum driveshaft and a/c delete...even if he sprays a 75 shot i say you got a chance, but id give him the advantage, just heat up them nittos ight?? oh yea he has SLP runners, port ur intake and gain another 500 rpm! im not sure i think he has TB also and the 1LE has 3.42s.

 

Actually that is my dads combo and low 14s HAHAHAHA, try low 13s! 13.3 to be exact, see not some 16 year old with a car that was bought for him!!!

 

I just want to say that in no way am I flaming I am just trying to state facts that stock 5.0s can go 12s. I don't deny that the Camaro should win, but then again if the Mustang is set up right it should go 13s!!! You can't always expect a car to go a certain time because one car did it. I am not saying he will run 12s, but more likely than not 13s, but I am also saying he should not run 14s either!

 

a stock 5.0 can go 12s??? lies, never seen it done, ur dad i have no clue how he put a 13.3 @ 101mph...where did he get that kinda trap speed??? the suspension mods dont give hp, so that means he gained 60hp off pullies??? 5.0s run 94-96mph stock 5 spd, usually the lighter the higher the hp. you cant always expect a car to go a certain time because one car did it??? then why are you posting times of your dads car??? hed have to have backseats removed, smog, a/c, gutted doors, this and that to have just pulled a 101mph. 50hp + on a stock motor from just pullies, gears, tiers and suspension??? im sure he has headers, and some intake, 101mph is LS1 territory sorrrrrryyy and thats an ALUMINUM block. my friends auto ss went 13.5 @ 101mph, and i dont get how 230 hp stock motor can pull of 1.7s...thats just insane, http://xs-fx.com/raughammer/ that car pulls 1.6s and hes pushing 320rwhp with stall and other mods, thats LS1, ur dad 13.3 @ 101mph BONE STOCK, that means NO HEADERS NO INTAKE NO TB NO AFPR NO IGNITION had to do it, i really hadnt gotten this pissed in awhile. ps that link is to the fastest n/a ls1, hes now got aftermarket heads and cam that pushes 124mph traps on big stickys, no way you get a 1.7, it just wouldnt have the power to go that fast. with all susp mods id assume a 1.83-1.87, psst and its not how fast you run once, its how consistent...

 

90 Iroc Zee, you share my opinion. 13.3 with gears and tires huh??? What exactly does tires mean?? Slicks? DR's? So this 230 horse car runs 13.3 stock Your Dad must be Mario Andretti Further more, you guys relate everything to one car, big deal, There are guys who got their BONE STOCK z-28 350's to go 14 flat. NOT EVERY ONE WHO HAS A 350 THINKS THEY ARE THAT FAST!!!!! Your dad's car probably goes 14.3, that sounds right, like 90Iroc-Zee said.

5.0 Mustang, if you know so much, why don't you tell me how fast you think my car is?, shoot, I must be in the 12's cause I know my car would woop on you Pops' stang.

L-69 bored .030 over to 310 c.i. 204/214 .420/.442 cam, Edelbrock: Performer intake, open element, aluminum water pump, valve covers and 600 cfm carb Accel: coil, cap, rotor, wires MSD 6A, Hurst Shifter, Edelbrock TES headers, gutted cat, 2.5inch back to a Flowmaster 2 chamber, T-5 w/3.73 gears and 245/50/16's

oh and I never heard of a stock cammed, intaked, headed, rockered motor going 12's not even in mags.

Oh, How come your modded car only run 13.9 then???

 

Guys, I hope that you'll not just dismiss my post as another one of those mustang guys. It is my opinion that the camaro will win this match, if the mustang does not have the nitrous. With the nitrous, the mustang will win, assuming it has a driver.

Then again, the fact that this camaro is out of tune can make a large enough difference to lose the race. I gained 8 tenths by raising the timing in my stang from 10* to 18*.

Driving makes the biggest difference on the street, though. You can spray all the nitrous in the world if you don't hook up and still lose. You can lose half a second because your reflexes are slow or you weren't ready.

These combos optimally setup, mustang loses unless it has nitrous.

5.0mustang, I've heard you say that your dad ran a 13.31@101 about 4 times, now, on the same day. I can see that your very proud of that, but it is not necessary to bring that up. This mustang will not be running 13.30s on motor. Also, I'd say for most 5.0s those gears and tires would put it in the low 14s. What model 5.0 did your dad have. Year, and bodystyle? That makes a huge difference with fox-bodies. Also the fact that he has suspension work and tires means that he's probably cutting 1.6s or better in the first 60'. That doesn't happen on the average modified street mustang.

Chris

 

THANK YOU. a mustang guy realizes this, when i heard 1.6 i was like thats insane, jesus that would require a lot of power, more than 230hp. not to mention TORQUE, i dont think 300 # is enuff, all in all timing could make or break a car i suppose, i just think he should be running mid 13s and i doubt the stang is hitting a 150 shot so a 75 shot will prolly take him but still be a race. if hes got a cam i insist you do not race him, a white one round here with 75 shot tires but AOD runs 12s. that thing GOES!

p.s. im not biased at all, its just very difficult to bull**** me with a stang cuz of the countless magazines and times ive worked on one. just everyone has one and its EXTREMELY difficult to purchase a stock one...thats y i dont have one.

 

IMO the f-body is going to win here if it's driven well. This is your average street driven mustang we're talking about. Not some full suspension,battery re-location,no interior stripped down track stang. Yes if you lighten the hell out of a fox body LX with minimal go fast mods and suspension mods. 13's and yes even 12's would be possible. But that's the same with a thirdgen and alot of other cars. The point is here alot of these cars are 11 years or older and don't run the same as they did when they were brand new. Not that some don't but the majority of these cars have gone through their paces and aren't in the greatest tune.