Who said Camaros and Firebirds can't do that???

I know that they could, and I am sure that with a large converter, gears, exhaust, tires and other mods they could run well into the 12s. Noone is saying thet The Fbodies can't do it, 99% of the guys in here know they can so saying they can is pointless. Saying a Mustang can and having you not believe it is stupid.

Noone claimed 270hp at the wheels, and remember the Mustangs suspension is alot better suited for drag racing than a Camaro or Firebird.

I will not call BS on you, but you have and always will on me!

If you have to se it to believe it, than I can call BS on any LS1 saying it can run 12s! I have never seen it, but I have read about it, and heard alot about them, so I agree and even back up the LS1s! As a matter of fact I have never seen an L98 Fbody run any better than the 14.8 one I ran! Go figure, but I know they are faster than that, I am just not so narrow minded!

 

By the time I am done, the horse will be served for dinner!

All he has to do is admit Mustangs can run the numbers we are saying with the mods we say! Thats all!

 

Well, considering I've owned 3 mustangs previously, am currently building up a 302, welding up a turbo setup for my friends 92gt and race regularily with stang guys.. i know a fair amount about mustangs. I'm definatly no expert on them though.

To be honest, I had been fully expecting to see these quick stangs that everyone raves about.. I simply haven't. I never modded any of my mustangs to find out either though.

5.0mustang; I haven't seen a 12 sec ls1 either, typically those car have weight reduction and minor bolt-ons to run those numbers too. maybe a little bit of tailwind and a downhill track too
I'm not calling bs on your 13.9@99


103mph at 3500 lbs is (according to stangnet) 298.5 hp.. my calculator says 297.8hp. goto stang net and do the calculations. are you SURE 3500lbs is what you weigh?

If you weight 3050-3100lbs, then 240hp would get you 100+

It's all down to hp/weight. mustangs don't defy the laws of physics

5.0mustang, your intent on these threads seems to be centered on proving the mustangs superiority. Since you concede that a similar setup fbody can run the same then why try to prove anything?

I will concede that a weight reduced mustang, in other words, a modified mustang, will run the times your are presenting.

 

Yes a modified, weight reduced one with a stock 5.0 in it can run 12s. I never said the car was factory original, no way is that possible. I am not showing that they are superior because they aren't, I am just showing that something I have seen done a few times, and I know a few people going for now, can be done! If you asked me 4 years ago if they could do it, I would say no, but after lining up next to a friend of mine with his stock motor, and he went 12.9 at 104, I believed it!

I have not called BS yet unless it is obvious!

I don't know about at 3500 (not calling BS) but 103 seems high. It could happen on a really fast Mustang (definately would be speed density), but all the ones running 12.9-13.2 are doing it at 3000-3200 lbs!

 

AGAIN! My car now weighs 3440lbs with me(145lbs) and 1/2 tank of gas weighed on state calibrated scales at a local land fill. It weighed exactly 3500 when it was still AOD. I still have the spare tire and jack in as well. As you can see my car has a rather decent size system in it also. The title says 3144 and that was for AOD tranny. The T-5 is much lighter..60lbs. I am running my car again tomorrow I think with a short belt..and since it is in the 40's now..shooting for 104mph. Why it is that fast I have no idea. The car was 100% stock when I bought it and I've only done the mods I have listed because I do not have much $$ to spend. I have timeslips and video.. and if you want anyone on here that lives close to me can come check my car out...I will put $$ on it that it is as stock as new. I have not changed from the stock 3.27's either...no need to. My car is no where near a 3000 lb car...maybe if I got out of it and tore it all down. I like to run my car just like it is on the street..FULL trim. It's not a race car..it is a street car. I obviously know enough to get kick a** times with next to nothing for mods and can drive good.

 

enough about Mustangs... how bout we look at a fast for cheap GM motor, namely the L98. my car had the following mods last time i ran it (in the heat of June) : airfoil/AFPR/flowmaster cat back. thats it, less than $500 spent. times? 13.44 at 102.51 with a 1.94 60ft. and before you ask, those short times were achieved on street tires with the factory 3.07 gears. since then ive added BFGoodrich DRs, a 2.5" stainless steel front ypipe, and a K&N filter. im looking for 13.0 or hopefully a 12.9 with these mods, the cold weather, and some trackside tuning. all for a total cash outlay (not including the DRs) of $750. try to do 13.0 with that kind of cash in a stang! TPI rules!

note: im not trying to bash Mustangs, im just trying to throw in some GM info since this IS a fbody website... no harm meant

 

Actually Bob Cosby did this with just under $750 back in the early '90s he went 12.93 at 103.5 in his black coupe. Remember I am not flaming here, but you asked to show if someone could do that, and someone has many years ago!!!

 

try that with no weight reduction, factory timing, no free mods (ie porting or removing silencers and stuff), IRS suspention, an auto trans instead of a 5speed, and HUGE P275/40ZR17 tires up front. thats what my car runs with every time at the track. and what did he exactly have for $750?

 

Your probably right about the weight, but he did it with tires, off-road H-pipe, gears, and pulleys. You just said worth $750, and that is what I supplied, now that you up the ante I can't say he did it with a indep. rear or an auto! Not flaming, just saying!

 

i understand its not flaming, im not as bitter as some people on this board. for $750 in a stang running 12.9 is EXTREMELY impressive! the only thing i can say about it is that he must be one hell of a driver (ive heard alot of you Mustang guys credit his accomplishments before so he must be good), and the average, or even above average guy wouldnt be able to duplicate those numbers. and about the auto/IRS thing, im just trying to say a Vette (or my Vette) isnt set up for drag racing like most 5speed/solid axle Mustangs are. if i swapped in a manual trans and a solid rear, i could probably post those kind of numbers too

 

Believe me I know. The 5.0 is probably one of the best set-up cars for drag racing in a while! It has a pseudo 4-link, and can be easily made to run 1.8 or better 60's! I have seen a few guys duplicate it, but most average drivers will not! Heck I can't even do it with the DRs (now gone) and my mods!!!

 

This is what I have been trying to convey for a while now. Because one stang can do it, the rest can also? not nessesarily.

chevy eaters mustang is what I call a 'mystical' mustang. It seems to defy the laws of physics. unless headers and pullies really do give you 80hp!

regardless of how you get there though.. a 12 second street car is impressive.

 

tpivette,

Your car's times are quite impressive! If you limit your argument only to $, though, nitrous will put about any V8 sports car in the 12s and you'll still have a couple hundred in spending cash.

If it's sans nitrous it is still doable in a mustang, but it takes most of the tricks.

Bob Cosby, I don't believe did it for that cheap, but that makes his accomplishments no less impressive. I just think that 5.0mustang is being a bit deceptive saying that he did. Going 12.5s on a bolt-on only 5 Liter, (what 5.0 mustang would call stock engine) is damned impressive. Going 11.9s with Stock heads is also damned impressive. Click the link below and go to chronology if you want to read all about his 5.0 accomplishments:

http://members.***.net/bobcosby/stang/

Chris

 

thanks for the compliments! ive been slowly tuning the car to reach 12s with the fewest mods possible on a L98. no one on corvetteforum is anywhere near my times with the mods i have, and alot of them dont even believe wat i run. everyone thinks auto L98s only run mid-high 14s stock (hence the joke in my sig). it should only be a matter of time before i reach my goal. my plans might be put on hold for a little bit as theres an 86' WS6 Trans Am ive seen on a used car lot for a couple weeks thats caught my eye (TPI cars tend to follow me home ).

PS- i wasnt including nitrous in the bang for the buck arguement, but you would be right about it being the fastest/cheapest route

 

now that you guys have thoroughly put the dead horse through it's beating are we gonna break out the rulers? where is any of this discussion going besides nowhere..12 second mustangs 12 second camaro's stop talking about it and go out and do it...bleh

 

TPIVETTE Good times! Those are damn good for a L98 in a Vette. I don't ever see many Vette's at my track..last one I saw was some fool with a brand new ZO6 of all cars and could do better than a 13.2!!! He was trapping 114mph though. It had a cold air intake setup and maybe exhaust. When I see idiots with fast cars like that go a second slower than they should it makes me want to slap them! Or throw them out and show them how it is done! I've only driven a 2000 C5 as far as driving but rode in a lot of older ones.. 64-71 . My dad used to restore them awhile back. I don't doubt your times...I'm sure it is possible. Some cars are faster than others too...no 2 are the same. My friend had no mods and ran quicker than my car did with pulleys and a K&N..same exact car. He only has a cold air and pulleys in his 93GT AOD...thats it. It ran a 14.62@96.9! Anyone that knows the AOD stangs....that is damn good. It even has heavy a** 17" Cobra rims too! But with a 5spd...the biggest variation in times is usualy the driver. My buddies 100% stock 2002 Z28 ran a smoking 13.26@108!! DEAD STOCK!:hail: That was with a spinning 2.26 60ft. THEN..I see a moron in a sweet yellow limited edition 2002 T/A WS6 run a 14.4@104!!??? 6spd of course and a bad driver. That is over a whole SECOND difference for the same basic car. Actually the T/A has a few more ponies. That's why I get irritated when guys say a 5.0 can't run as fast as mine does. All it takes is a good running car and a good driver...thats it. My cousins has less mods than me and runs 14.09@100.1 with Yokohama 225/60 15"'s spinning to a 2.19 60ft! Only 3.27's,K&N, pulleys, and a catback. This is a 136,000 miles car too...no weight reduction. With him driving...14.5 ...me...a 14.09...see what I'm getting at?? It's like that with any car...cars only as fast as the driver.....

 

Who's gonna be the first to slap their ******* on the table?

 

I dunno but you wanna get bets going on it?