you don't need big displacement to make power.... you even made that point clearby talking about a 214ci motor.
they have rear wheel drive cars out there, granted pricey but they are out there... s2000 and NSX are two of them
so what there motors are only 2.0L for the S2000 and 3.2L for the NSX.... bigger is not always better

 

little bit larger of a car also

 

is it?


why would bigger be better?

bigger means more wieght... meaning need for more power


also more weight means more wear and tear on parts to to more stress, braking distance will be more, fuel consumption will go up, handling will suffer....

all for what .... a bigger motor? bigger is not always better remember that

 

it is a pain in the a<x>ss though to do so since you have to make the emissions pass, crash testing, and all that other **** and pay for all the testing... makes it to where I will never own one
skyline is a very nice car and performs very well.... stout as hell driveline.. motor taking 600+hp on stock internals.

driveline taking 6000rpms clutch dumps with the AWD taking up most the wheel spin....

hitting a turn tail sliding then the AWD kicks in brings the rear back in place.....


me likes

here is some picturs of the skyline named "blackbird" granted I don't like the wing on it too much but ..... damn sweet fast car




here are some more pictureds and a link to find out what they did to the car and how well it does...
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...cc_r34skyline/

 

Your right, that car would look so much better without the wing. When I was in Japan you would see Skylines like we see 3rd gens, it was quite a sight.

 

nope you dont, but the NSX doesnt even have 300 hp and it costs 80K, thats f*ckin disgusting.....also, the s2000 revs to 9000rpm and also fails to make 300 hp, and has a gross 153lb/ft of torque......thats a joke dude.

you can make alot of power with a small displacement engine like the 214ci indy v8, but that engine is worth over 100k, and it revs to almost 20,000rpm so thats not really a good comparison....you need big cubes to make alot of torque, at least in a cost effective manner.

Could you get insane power out of the motor in the s2000? sure, but be prepared to pay 10K to get as far as you could with 1k on good old big inch v8.

oh ya, and i'll take the weight penalty of my aluminum headed small block with the extra 400 ft/lbs of torque it makes any day of the week. i think an alum headed small block chevy weighs like 500 or 550 lbs. i'll make sure i apologize to the s2000 weenies when kick their tails again at NED this spring.

all hail the v8:hail: s2000's are cars for spoiled c*ck knocker rich kids anyway

 

oh ya, and as for being heavy and driveline stress.....

we're talking about 1000 or so pounds here dude, not 5 tons....come on.

there are quite a few 4200lb rockets that hit 11's up at NED too hehehe

 

you forget to notice that there are ways to make up for displacement without having the bigger motor


forced induction.... and if you are using a car that already came with forced induction.... then it is very cheap if not cheaper to make your car faster then a N/A v8 and still have all the torque that a v8 makes. and prolly have a flatter powerband then the N/A motor also. why do you think I am going with a 1.3L turbo motor that once again.... that I hope will spit me near low 12's this time

I like the small motors b/c of the type of racing I do

 

not saying you can't do it with the extra mass.... but it is a lot easier without it

and as far as braking and handling go

I have seen where just 100lbs will cut a second or two of a lap of a 1 1/5 mile road race... not nascar racing either


and just think of what that 4200lbs car doing 11's would do in a 2700lbs car

 

well my tiny engined friend......although you can "make up" for lack of displacement with a forced induction system....that only "makes it up" over N/A cars with more cubes than the smaller motor. my 383 makes well over 500 hp right now, and its N/A. you can force feed v8s too ya know.

so let me ask you this, what happens when i bolt an 8-71 roots blower on my 383? then your up sh*t creek without a NOS shot to lean on arent ya? by the way, there is a nice 300hp shot on the horizon for this motor in the spring. id like to see you get anywhere near that with a 1.3L motor.

my buddies 93 twin turbo rx7 only had 285 hp with some serious modifications. when the time comes when someone with a small *** motor like that beats me, then maybe people can talk sh*t. but people keep talkin now, but every week up at the track the truth is told and excuses are made....lots of excuses.

In the end with maximum modification, the bigger engine will always produce more power and torque

 

There are 2 separate cam profiles in a Vtec engine, and they change the intake valve timing.. In the new i-vtec engines (K series), they change both intake and exhaust timing.. The exception is the SI and base rsx engine which use variable length intake manifolds..

 

I agree with 383, there is a limit to what a small engine with forced induction can do. The only choices are to completely gut your car and do serious weight reduction, go with a bigger turbo(which after some pnt becomes impossible) or bigger forced induction. AS with the V-8 you can always go bigger and bigger, and if you want to go with the retarded formula about hp/ltr, some hotrodding magazine made an old Detroit Iron Rocket, put out over 107hp/liter, and this out of a 454. And this is all for under 5000 grand(of course they did get parts cheap but the idea.)

Now I am not ragging on the imports, I would love to have a Skyline myself, but sometimes the price makes it impractical(damn Ralph Nader and his kind for govnt tampering). The S2000 is an overpriced car IMO. Honda has always gone on the platform of being able to make "superior gas-consuming" cars than domestics, but the S2000 gets less mpg then a Z-06 does.

I could buy a new Z-06 and then send it to Mr.Lighenfelter and have it twin turbo-charged cheaper than buying a NSX. Which one would you choose?

Also it is possible for a Supra to hit 8's or 9's, but it is nearly impossible for them to hit below that. It is very hard for most imports to hit into the 7's and I have only seen 1 car do it, it was a DSM, but he only did one run before his engine went kaboom. Magazines right huge articles about an import hitting into the 8's but they hardly ever right an article about the multitude of Detroit Irons hitting 6's and being COMPLETELY street legal.

 

Still looks like a gay car, guys that drive it, just look too big for that little car.

 

but see I don't need 500hp to make my car as fast as yours

and if he has a 93rx7 making only 285 hp with serious mods then he has issues

stock they come with 255

I have ppl right now in my area one putting about 300 at the wheels with only some minor mods, stock turbo with upgraded compressor, more fuel, and a front mount and a stand alone computer he is hitting about 12.8 in the 1/4 and that was with a failry sh<x>itty launch

another guy we guess should be putting about 400-450 at the wheels still hasn't gone into the serious mods

just using a large turbo..... and I would think these guys would take you on the road course which is where they want to do most of there racing.
see to us having masssive amounts of torque isn't a big deal.... exit speed and how fast you can corner is the big deal.

though there are cases of daily drivers putting about 700+ hp on a 1.3L on about 20psi

they even have one right now pushing the low to mid 7' though not a daily driver. granted you piston guys have done it and have been doing it but the small motor market doesn't quite have the time span of tuning that you guys have and we are comming up into the faster range.

a 2.0L motor can be made to run 550hp as a daily driver without any real strain on the motor at all.


and yes you can force feed a v8 (what do you take me for some stupid **** boy who doesn't know jack?) but you know something it doesn't always matter what you can do or can't do.... all that matters is what it comes down to when you race.

don't worry I'm not saying big motor is the only way to go. too each there own but I think I can do with my motor what you can do with yours yeah so I might use a turbo..... but who cares.... so you can use one.... who cares though all that matters is run what you brung and being I don't do alot of drag racing I don't want the big motor since it would throw out my weight distro, I want something I can work on cheap and easily and make fast to run the turns.


oh and to set the record straight before you get all mad and call me some **** boy I'm not. I hate ****. I love cars doesn't matter if it is some little CRX with a ITR swap or a 82 camaro that someone swapped ablown 427 into I love cars. I love drag racing but road racing is my thing

EDIT: why would I need a 300shot of nitrous? if I wanted to build my car up for drag racing it would be time for a t-88 at about 25 pounds of boost with a 2.0L motor, but that's not for me. like the 1.3 for now

 

look, everyone is entitled to do what they want...if you want a small motor thats fine

but the bottom line is very clear and sharp.

its a simple matter of physics....you CANNOT make as much (let alone more) power with a smaller displacement engine all other things equal.....its a law of nature, and unbreakable one at that. the more combustion volume you have the more potential you have to produce more power.....

forced induction cannot change that, because if the same amount of boost is applied to both engines, the bigger one is going to make alot more power.

it comes down to the volume of air/fuel that can fit in the cylinders, the area of the piston top (which the expanding gas has to push on) and the length of stroke which provides leverage on the crankshaft.

saying that pushing 500hp through a 2litre engine doesnt put any serious strain on it is an ignorant statement. all the parts are smaller, piston (top area especially) rods, journals, bearings, pins, etc etc etc,. therefore there isnt as much area to apply the extreme forces that are encountered producing that kind of power. this is also governed by the laws of physics. oh ya, im aware that some 4cyl engines have similar bore/stroke and journal sizes etc as a v-8 does.....but there are half the parts seeing the forces generated inside the engine. so the same rule applies on a more wholistic scale. its just physics dude. it cant be refuted its just that simple.

oh ya, and you dont need 500 hp to compete with my car with say 500hp.....but like i said before we arent talking about tons here.....its not like you can take my car with 500 hp with 300hp. youd probably still be in the 450 range to compete. and stop with the autocross thing, because like i said before, my car can turn a corner (and i can drive it too) so yes i can hang in a corner, and yes i have superior torque on a straightaway. racing isnt about "i dont care about torque i want to cut superb corners" racing is about being able to drive the car to its maximum potential and making sure the car is built to have maximum potential (in some cases within class rules) its an overall concept, not just isolated skills or capabilities. you need to have the power, and you need to have the ability to drive it

 

oh ya by the way my car has like 48-52 weight dist

 

so maybe you can make more power out of a motor if you take things to the limits by using a bigger motor.... but d<x>amn I am not building a top fuel dragster here.... no need to take things to the limits...

putting 500 hp on a 2.0L motor would be very easily done being that the eccentric shaft(crankshaft for you) is about about 2 1/2-3 inchs in diam. and the piece that takes the brunt of the force is about a 9.7lb hunk of steel that is about 80mm wide and 6-7inch fromt apex to center... trust me I don't have to worry about the connecting rods the weakest spot on motor would be the seals for combustion... but you can upgrade those, and if you can prevent detonation which would come down to tuning you wouldn't quite need to worry about getting thicker ones. since the motor is going in almost a perfect rotating motion rather then an up and down motion you also would cut down on a lot of stress that would be put on those parts. so is it an ignorant statement by me saying I could do it for a daily driver or one by you not knowing what the build of the motor is STOCK.
also with having a turbo setup if I'm just driving around town not putting the motor under load there should be a lot more reliablilty comming from my motor then yours. partly due to less rotating wieght bigger parts to bear that weight, less friction caused by a massive stroke and bore,more contact surface area, and so forth and then turn the boost down to maybe 6 psi like stock would be and I shouldn't hurt the gas milage much either, but your big motor would need some 2.73 or a 6spd to make even decent gas. and yet still I would be able to make that 500hp


ok your car weighs how much now and what do you run?
all I know is with 500hp at the at the flywheel I would be pushing almost a 10.2 or so

torque on the straight? yeah you might have me for that part
but what if we get one some tech section very small straights for the most part just turn after turn..... having a lighter car would have its upsides so maybe we aren't taling tons here but every little bit helps.... why do you think a 2000lbs car with maybe 200hp can runs mid to low 13's
there is nothing for them to push.... weight is a big deal for anything you try to do with a car, braking,turning,accel, whatever
already the setup I have works very well, and being with only 2600lbs to work with and 50/50 wieght distro I have less going against me then a 3300 lb car at least taking my stock wieght vs the stock weight of most thirdgens. now granted you might have less weight in there then 3300 but I can do weight redux also

either way you can make a powerfull motor but I prefer light wieght car and small motor vs heavy car and big motor

 

obviously a wankel engine is an entirely different animal, but they have problems and limitations of their own too (like any motor).

I think a simpler way to put it is, with the same amount of effort i can get more power out of a larger motor than out of a smaller one. and once again, i have no problems in the twisties...just because im a drag race enthusiast doesnt mean that i cant drive a car. But honestly, if its that easy for you to get 500hp out of that wankel engine then why dont you do it? its not got get any heavier(by any noticeable amount) if you do the things you say it will take to produce that power. if you put a twin turbo set up on it (if it doesnt already have one) its not THAT heavy. if does already have one, the bigger turbos are not going to cause a weight problem at all. If i twin turboed my motor it would be in the 800-900 horse range with reasonable boost and intercoolers

If your car only weighs 2000lbs then you ripped alot of stuff out of it. thats cool if thats what you want, but i like my full interior as i drive the car almost every day in the summer time.

 

There are people that only see part of the picture, they only live their lives by 1/4 (or 1/8) mile at a time.

By the way why just crap on imports, like if the imports where only japanese, korean or chinese cars, waht happend with european cars?

I think rx7speed diddent say his car weight only 2000lbs, I think he said more like 2500lbs, I also I think he dont have a 500hp engine for the lack of money or the lack of interest (He maybe dont need 500hp)

When you do more than straigh line aceleration you need to think about balance, and general handling and every pound you put on the car you put more strees on chasis, suspenssion, brakes, tires, on everything.

So yes this is a thirdgen site, but where it states that it is a drag site?

So If I would want to put a V12 on my car, or a 3 litter porsche 4 banger with bi-turbo does this convert me in the devil? It is still a 3rd gen, and people talking about racing an import (I like then do taht with a porsche 911 turbo and dont end criying with street tires) when they are just racing a little kid that have no education whatsoever in the street, you are no better than them you are jeopardizing the security of everyone on the street and act like an ***.

And you can make an small displacement V-8 without stresing anything you are only making uneducated assumtions that have no point.

Yes its easy putting together a boat anchor big block chevy and make torque and horses, but if you dont whant that weight what do you do? I know there are aluminium Big Blocks, so what? It is still old tech, you dont have variable valve, no variable intake, no double overhead cams, nothing. Just an old push rod V8.

If you do autocross you will not always have the chance to regain what other can make in all the curvs, if you have more weight you will destroy your tires and brakes in less time.

Like I told before no everybody dreams about driving a drag car, they dont handle on the street, they are not legal, you can not make those aceleration runs on street tires etc.

I have a video of a 1st gen that put a weelie and besides it an old toyota supra, the supra wins to the surprise of everybody, 10 sec supra.

 

wow your a retard....you obviously did not read any of my posts entirely, and saying that a drag car is not legal is totally f*ckin ignorant. what about the 800hp lingenfelter vette with the 427 twin turbo motor? thats more drag car than not, it runs a 9.2 1/4 mile. and its totally street legal.

if your going to talk like your a short bus window licker your not welcome here.....rx7 and i have been having a polite, interesting debate about power and displacement here......if your gonna a sh*t head then go away. the number or cylinders isnt what makes a motor large, its the displacement, most ferrari v12's are smaller displacement than your average small block chevy. check out the polly motorsports trans am....it has a donovan 540 chevy with twin turbos on it....they rape porches and other high end european cars at autocross event and drag races because the car has excellent handling characteristics and it has massive power.

also, calling me uneducated when talking about stress within an engine makes you ignorant....you obviously dont know anything about physics or metallurgy.

and who said i was racing people on the street endangering people? if this is your attitude maybe you should join NAMBLA or something, cause your in the wrong place.

and the old tech pushrod v-8 thing? your f*ckin retard man....what do you think nascar engines are? their ohv pushrod v8's go find a vtec motor that makes 600hp. what else is a pushrod v8.....some of the cars in lemans....the viper, the corvette....all small block chevys, top fuel dragsters, lamborghini v12's.

your english is disgusting too, did you drop out of school in 6th grade? so your obviously the uneducated one here.....im 3 months away from my bachelors of science in business administration, and i started my college career as a mechanical engineering major, so im obviously not uneducated....i do not make assumptions....you are just threatened by me because you dont like the fact that i am more intelligent than you are.

and the boat anchor thing? please dude, a big block chevy only weighs about 550-600 lbs with aluminum heads.....your ridiculous.......

and since this post is probably gonna get locked.... rx7speed if you wanna continue the discussion send me a private message or something....

as for this other guy, your a f*ckin sh*t snake retard. go back to the short bus and learn soemthing about engine c*ck knocker

 

oh ya.....
ls1 ohv pushrod v8 = 320hp at the rear wheels(old junk)
STATE OF THE ART vtec engine = 170hp (wow thats impressive)

what an idiot, you probably drive a datsun

 

oh ya, and just in case let me be the first to say f*ck you for being ignorant and.................

In before tha Lock!!!!!!!!

 

Well as I was saying.

Nascar aint exactly what I would call a very good example of what is a high tech engine, yes it make some horsepower but for being a race engine its pretty lame I think It have a five litter engine making "only" 600hp, not great really for a full developed race engine. (yes I know they put restrictor plates under the carb).

I forgot to say that yes my english is pretty bad, but it have worked for my on my travels, yes sometimes I dont understand and sometimes someone dont understand me, but well, what the heck I learned it myself. And I did not notice anything on this site name saying thirgen.org only for americans that speak and write perfect english and that think "the only thing that thirgengs were mean to be are dragters".

Also I think Insulting me for my ideas will not make yours right.

The same way that almost no one is happy about something in their thirdgen and they change it, Im not happy with standard engines avaible for thirdgens.

Ahhh. and for your information Honda is the owner of vtec, and i-vtec but they are not the only manufacturer making variable valve events in engines.

So take it easy, everything I said on my post where more generalizations not mean to be taked persanally by anyone in specific.

Some things where mean for you others not, sorry if I got carried away and not organize everything right, but is pretty dificult to make a post in english, while talking in spanish, reading and something else.

So excuse my bad english, if that upset you.

Edit: Ok if your car can make the quarter in say 12, using slicks or any other tires that are illegal on the street you have a 12sec capable street car, but you can not make a 12sec run without the slicks dont you?

Also If you put a Big block on a thirdgen how it can be street legal in your country, there are smog laws there dont?

Yes that corvette is pretty fast no doubt about it, I have seen the videos and and think they did use slicks because the way the car launch.

 

And I will not say anything about this:

wow your a retard....

except that, please moderate your language, ok that could be pretty offensive to someone that know and love a person with that illness.

 

i apologize if english is not your native language, i was not aware of that.....

however nothing makes "my ideas" right....because they arent my ideas, they are proven truths and facts.

and yes the car ran the 12 sec pass on slicks....mickey thompson ET streets, DOT approved drag radials. they are completely LEGAL on the street, similar tires are also made by bf goodrich, and a big import favorite Nitto. i believe yokohama also makes street legal drag radials, as well as hoosier quick times.

If you look around on the internet or on this site for that matter you will find a wealth of street emissions legal big block powered f-bodies.

the fact that an engine is a big block doesnt have anything to do with the emissions that it produces. my 1989 gmc pickup truck has a 454 in it. I was considering a 502 for my camaro awhile back as well. Its very easy to make a big block pass emissions, because its not any more prone to polution than a tiny 4 cyl engine.....its all determined by the individual setup, cam, heads, exhaust, catalytic converters, and other smog equipment.

the race engine in our truck (the boston big shot) is a methanol injected blown 482 big block chevy.....it makes about 1500 hp with an 8-71 supercharger overdriven 10% that motor, was it put in a car would run cleaner than any other car on the road because it runs on alchohol, which when burned produces carbon dioxide and water vapor.

so there are plenty of ways to make this happen.

 

Ok, this is for the person who commented on the S2000 being poor quality. I know you meant this about the interior, but here's a little info on the engine. Each S2000 motor is put together by hand, using various internal parts made of carbon fibre. These cars will take 1000's of 9000+rpm shifts without a hiccup and thats because of the time and effort used in making a car because they care, and not because they want to make tonnes of money like GM. I'm not a Honda lover, and I'm not a lover of new GM equipment. I'm just passing on a little information. The S2000 engine wasn't built for torque, it was an engine built that screams" put a huge turbo on me".

 

Ahh. Ok.

But to my understanding you need to use an equal or newer year engine-ecm-cats than the car you are putting in to.

For example you can put in a camaro 69 an L98 completely stock or with all the aproved parts (CARB OE I think) but you cannot put in a camaro 93 V6 the same engine as it is older than the car.

So if you put a big block it must be newer or equal than the car, dont?

There is any excemption for that rule?

Also, dont get me wrong I recognize that there is a lot of things I dont know about engines in general (I want to learn as much as I can as this will be my future job when I move from my country to spain).

I always tought that performance engines must make more than 100hp per litter without beign race only ones.

I do like a lot, the torque big engines or ones that use compresors (and not are as big) I like the push they make from standing, but sometimes you need good torque at more rpm, like when you are at nearly 4000rpm and need to pass another car. Thats when variable leng intake runners or variable valve help a lot, as they help to attain good low end torque, and good high end torque (The higher your high-end torque the higher the HP)

Small engines cannot make enought high-end torque couse the lack of displacement and compression needed to make good milleage.

Imagine how nice could be to have both a TPI (Good for low end torque, to gain speed from being still with a cam made for it) and a LS1 intake that is better for high rpm operation (With a cam for it too). It dont need to be such a complicated system as the une used by Honda, ferrari use a complete diferent one where the cam have a diferent lobe shape in each end and as RPM get higher the complete cam get displaced horizontally so the valves see the other shape (even with a smoth transition so in mid rpm you have different lobe profile), if you use that with variable valve timing and variable ignition timing in a big engine you can have the best of both worlds.

One could make such a sistem in a center block cam with some space limitations as the cam lobes need to be wider than normal but not very much, maybe in the next generation small block chevy (Damm I forgot about the name) on a Single Overhead Cam would be much easier and you get the benefit of less moving parts and mass (Easier to attain higher valvetrain opperation) and more space to make the cam lobes wider.

About the variable intake manifold, I think is not to difficult to fabricate one, Imagine a TPI with its long narrow runners for slow speed operation (Higher Velocity) and bellow the top part (sorry for the lack of name) of the manifold it uses very big fat tubes to connect it with the lower part of the intake manifold that only allow the air to pass, with the help of some butterflys (I think that is their names) that only open at vertain rpm.

Hey... thanks for the good conversation and good luck with that monster of a truck.

 

Cruz'N Bruz'R

Hello.

I think we all know that the little engine that can (2 litter) is made for high rpm operation as the little combustion size cant make much torque at lower operation. (Less energy per combustion cicle)

But I did not know that you could use carbon fiber on any internal part of an engine, titanium yes, some sort of fiber on the cilinders walls to decrease friction (Like when they put steel or Nickasil liners on aluminium blocks so you have less friction as with aluminium cilinder bores against aluminium pistons) but carbon fiber? I only heard about carbon fiber on Intake manifolds.

 

Yes I guess a NASCAR engine capable of propelling and keeping the car between 190-200MPH for 500 miles is pretty lame too. LOL.

 

92BlAcK_RSLO3,

the emissions laws and regulations are different for every state in the country with california being the strictest.....

also, like most things in life it depends who you know.....i would venture a guess that if most cars that have been modified in any way were subject to a strict inspection, and emissions testing about 80-90 percent would not be legal......but there simply is no way to enforce most of the regulation.....

if you read the laws closely you will find that moving your cat to anyother location than stock is illegal, and the way the law is worded almost all exhaust modification is illegal. funny that doesnt seem to hurt all the custom exhaust shops all over the country.

and Variable valve timing cams are not the future, camless engines with electonically actuated valves are..diesels like this are already being developed in this country and some of these engines should see production in the next few years

 

i would also love to know this....

all you jerkoffs who come here and trash everything american and praise everything that is not a camaro.....what the hell are you doing here? if thats how you feel this is not the place for you.....have a nice day....cant wait to see you at the track
:rockon:

 

Benny.

I dont know If did type that wrongly.

I dont think that a 600+hp engine is lame, (lame is my english ), I think that a racing engine with all the development involved that only make 120 hp per litter, using almost all the best parts that can be found, the best porting, you know the best of everything is pretty lame(My opinion again), the speed the car make dont really matter if the engine is a flat six, an inline 8 or W12 engine.

But hey Its just my opinion.

Maybe if they did not put those restrictor plates beetween the Carb and the manifold they could make some real power (again real for a racing engine)

 

the nascar engine makes around 800hp without a restrictor plate.....that puts it in the 140hp per litre range....and i hate that statistic.....all the import kids love it cause they are like i have 100hp per liter...ya but you only have 2 litres, so your still a suck bag.....how annoying.

 

383backinblack

I hope you are right about the electronical actuated valves as this virtual cams will make passible to put any cam into your engine for anygiven rpm.

But you should note that there is a big difference between Gas an disel engines, is that disel engines (In trucks and industrial machinery) are really low RPM machines. So they can make prototipes now with current technology, with newer faster reliable actuators they could made it into production and in a more than a few years they will make to other internal combustion engines.

I think that is why no High performace car, even competition ones dont use those systems actually, they always try those kind of things in all kind of prototipes, competition cars, and high-high performance cars before risking any mass product.

Do you have any links on this technology?

Edit: I dont understand, it is wrong to expect 100hp per litter out of a high performance engine but is ok to expect 1hp per ci? Also not all 100hp per litter engines come from little 2litters engines, and you know that.

I hope those last comments wherent for me, couse really you have the wrong idea. Or I give it to you.

Just joking:
come here and trash everything american and praise everything that is not a camaro

Means if it is a camaro is american (right) if is not a camaro is not american?

So when a camaro is not a camaro? If I put another engine on it?

 

ok dude, ricers use the HP/litre thing because its the only statisitic that they look good in......a camaro is always a camaro....

but in case you havent noticed, this is a CAMARO and FIREBIRD site.

the electronic valve actuators have been used on large cubic inch racing v-8s before but suffered massive reliability problems.....the technology is still new....if you look up navistar, they are the company that is developing the diesels......they will have 20% more power, and 70% less emissions compared to a like sized engine with a camshaft....they are meant to meet new stringent govt guidlines on truck emissions that are coming up in the next few years

 

Restrictor plates are made for safety of the driver and to slow down the cars, the record lap at a NASCAR event was 212 MPH in 1987 by Bill Elliot (I think). Some people like them, some don't, but NASCAR decided they didn't want their cars running around in excess of 200 MPH.

 

383backinblack

but in case you havent noticed, this is a CAMARO and FIREBIRD site

I for shure dont understand what you mean, I know this site is devoted to thirdgen f-bodys, I have one, I love it, I want to make it better, I accept advice in tecnical stuff, economics, and somethimes even moral, but just that I accept the advice, its up to me to take it or not.

I dont really care about **********-r-s, I dont make theyr lives misserable, I dont laught at them, If I can help them with something I help, I dont like what they do with their cars or the way they chosse to expend their money, but hey that is my problem not theyr, everyone is free to follow his tastes or even to follow someone else.

I dont care very much about grocerygeters, but I think there is too many generalizations, a FORD Sierra RS500 is not a ***** car, a Renault 5 Turbo is not, any ferrari, lamborghini, maseratti, that make more than 100hp per litter is not a **********-r car, and if I put an engine that makes very good HP at high RPM making more than 100hp per litter N/A that will convert my car in nothing else but a camaro.

You dont like the 100hp per litter statistic becouse it make your engine look bad, nt becouse it make small high reving good designed engines look good. I always tought It is a good way to compare the HP an engine make against its size, like power to weight ratio you know?

 

Let's put an end to this, it is getting stupid, were not getting anywhere.

 

Ok I agree.

I remember I read somewhere something about that it was more important the area between torque and hp in a dino graph than peak numbers.

Anyone remember how whas that?

Also I think we all agree that HP and torque numbers dont mean much, what means Is how the car moves and the smile that it put in our face. And even my little L03 put a smile in me.

 

ya this is stupid because no one will accept any factual evidence or be convinced anything but what they already believe, i agree im all done with this thread

:rockon:

 

So am I.