I still haven't figured out about you Thirdgen owners swearing your life away over a LS1. Wake up, its not G0D's gift to the earth.

Wow, thats cool. I can go buy a AWD Eclipse and put it in the 9's with its 4 bannger for $33,000. Sigh, it really will never end with the LS1.

 

I have heard (word of mouth) of completely stock 00+ LS1's with gutted airboxes (free mod ... so guess its not completely stock) running high 12's on street tires. But I've never seen it with my own eyes so I dont know if its true. Sounds too good to be true to me. What I do know is that the bottom line is bang for the buck. Comparing specs and engine types and whatnot is great but what matters is how fast it is. What times you run and how much you spent.

Benny, can U still get that LS1/T56 deal? I might be interested ...

 

It also depends a lot on the track. Around here, I've never seen a stock one go faster than 13.5-13.6. But, for comparisons sake the cobras would be slower by a similar percentage. Vic ran slower at the track I normally goto than the one he normally does by about .2-.3, and thats on a TBI RS. Difference probably gets bigger on faster cars.

BTW - Lightning = blown SOHC Truck motor, I took this pic @ the Chicago auto show last year. (I'm not trying to be a smartass, just clearing up details. Now, if it actually was a DOHC Blown 5.4... what a world it would be!) Its extremely tall, but theres room in the truck. It'd need a LOT of alterations to fit under a mustang hood. Whole different intake setup, like a new cobra. But this particular one... no way.

The 22K think on a stripped Z was kinda a ballpark/guess, I knew it was mid or low 20s and threw the number out because I thought i heard somone say it once.

 

It also depends a lot on the track. Around here, I've never seen a stock one go faster than 13.5-13.6. But, for comparisons sake the cobras would be slower by a similar percentage. Vic ran slower at the track I normally goto than the one he normally does by about .2-.3, and thats on a TBI RS. Difference probably gets bigger on faster cars.

BTW - Lightning = blown SOHC Truck motor, I took this pic @ the Chicago auto show last year. (I'm not trying to be a smartass, just clearing up details. Now, if it actually was a DOHC Blown 5.4... what a world it would be!) Its extremely tall, but theres room in the truck. It'd need a LOT of alterations to fit under a mustang hood. Whole different intake setup, like a new cobra. But this particular one... no way.

The 22K think on a stripped Z was kinda a ballpark/guess, I knew it was mid or low 20s and threw the number out because I thought i heard somone say it once.

There was a test, new cobra vs new ss done my MMFF a few months ago. They were actually very respectful to the SS and even liked a few details about it better. And it was only like .4-.5 slower in the 1/4 stock for stock, which is a measurable but not monumental difference. I should dig up/scan this whole article and put it on a web page... but my scanner isn't working.

Maybe I could just snag some quotes from it. Would anyone actually want to see this? I don't want to goto the trouble if nobodys going to read it or the thread is about to get locked.

 

Hey snake just Remeber you can put that eclipse in to the 9s for the same price as a new cobra. And yes I think the LS1 is a great engine responds well to small mods and it is N/A. don't get me wrong I love the sounds of superchargers and the HP you get from them, but thats all ford had to try to pull infront of the F-Bodies. But I love the 03' cobra sweet car, looks cool as hell, but could not see owning one. I am all F-Body.

 

and i suppose Fords 4.6L DOHC motor is, huh?

why do you constantly rag on people for praising an engine, but then you hoist the Ford flag right afterwards? youre contradicting yourself

 

seen a Z06 vs viper (new) show down on tv the other day
Zo6 ran high 12s (12.8) and viper ran low 12s.
so I would say Zs would run low 13s
biker

 

here you guys go, these are a few that have run 12s stock.
http://www.ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimateb...c;f=5;t=003492

 

You're ****ing stupid. When and where did I say the Ford engine was? You're taking this to a Chevy guy vs Ford guy thing. Everyone is tired of listening to LS1 is this and Ford had to do that to beat it. SO ****ing what! They DID put a supercharger on it and they DO beat LS1s. What the hell would you like? 03 owners to take the supercharger off when they race? Dude stop talking out your ***. I never said the DOHC engine was G0D's gift to earth. In my eyes the only engine that is over all others is either a Supra engine or GN engine. **** a LS1 and **** a 4.6L DOHC they both will get STOMPED by either 6 cylinder. You guys need to get off your high horse. The LS1s do get beat and I have never EVER lost to one. The only GM engine that I have lost to was a LT1. Those things put the LS1 to SHAME torque wise.

 

This is a STUPID comment. I have NEVER seen a naturally aspirated one run 12s!!! The fastest I have seen was my friends 13.0 at 109 with full exhaust, lid, MAM, 4.10s, and a 6-speed. Maybe it is beacuse I don't really watch that much racing when I am at the track, but I guess that means I know nothing becasue I haven't seen it.

The fastest stock one I saw was his and it went 13.3 at 106!!!

I have seen nitroused and supercharged ones in the 11s, but not one NA one (go figure)!

I have said it a million times, I believe they can run 12s stock, but I have never seen it! The majority are mid to high 13s around here (13.4-13.9) with average drivers!

 

The fastest LS1 I've seen stock or close to stock was a 13.1 with ET Streets and catback with lid. The fastest and only LS6 I've seen run was 12.8 with exhaust and I don't know what else. Guess I don't know anything about a LS1 though.

 

I just want to let you know the rotary g0ds are pleased....

 

I know a guy who just bought a Turbo II and its giving him problems already. He cant go over 50. I tried to get him to sell it to me but he wont. Its black too!

 

so ford mustn't know what they are doing then when ppl can run 10's and 11's without a supercharger.... yeah I guess ford sux b/c they used one


do you rreally think ford NEEDED to use a supercharger?
or what if they wanted one for other reasons?
your comments are too simple in how they where thought out

 

hey why don't we make it ford/GM/dodge/imports vs.... ****

but yes I think we are all sick of buzzbomb hondas

 

that sux dude



and deeaaayymm you are quick at giving me a reply

 

go to www.z06vette.com

if you search for my name you will find a post of mine that will show some z06 times

most are in the 12.1 range though one person hit a 11.94 bone stock

 

If you haven't noticed, an BONE STOCK LS1 runnin' 12's doesn't happen everyday. Everyone just gets sick of Ford guys not believing it cause they haven't seen it. Have you ever SEEN a McLaren F1 do a 231 mph top speed run, Have you ever Seen a Diablo hit 201??? Get over the I haven't seen it so it didn't happen, it's a waste of time.

Just think of how many LS1 T/A's and Z-28's that are out there that you have never seen, hundereds of thousands, and none of them run 12's, think about it.

 

I've seen the mclauren do it before

have a vid of it somewhere on my computer

 

Haha...Never thought someone would say yes. oops, my bad.

UH.. so yeah, how bout that Diablo huh???

 

So if we haven't seen it what the hell does it matter? As far as I'm concerned it doesn't happen. You know why? BECAUSE I HAVENT SEEN IT. Have you ever heard "seeing is believing"?

 

Well then according to your logic your 99 cobra does not exist because I have never seen it (and forget pictures or video on the internet ... I mean see it in real life). And umm ... the Great Wall of China dosn't exist either because you haven't seen it .... and ummmm do you see where this is going?

Get a life Monkie.

 

I never said I didn't believe they could. I have heard of and actually ridden in a car that supposedly did it. I believe they can without a doubt, but I have never seen one do it.

But then again you guys have never seen a stock motored 5.0 go 12s, and fail to believe it! See us Ford guys are much easierto pursuede!

 

My bad, I forgot you. I bet if you were driving a LS1 you could break it into the MID 12's! Dumb ***

Has someone got a new tampon? I think CrazyHawaiian's is leaking.

 

Hey Snake what does you car run in the 1/4? Or do you only street race and do the fly by's after the race is done and than claim victory. Have you been to ls1tech.com or not, I gave you a link, than you can go to there videos and I will bet you can find some stock ones running the 12s on there GSC's. I would love for you to come race my dad in the spring, he would give you the *** kickin you need in a race. Can you Say MTI 422!!!!, thats the winter project, if you can beat him I will give you lots of :hail:

 

What starts out as an interesting discussion always turns into this.

Look up, I even gave Ford a thumbs up for their 5.4 DOHC Cobra R motor.

Here are the facts on my LS1.
-98 Trans am/auto
-Bone stock went 13.5 @ 102
-took 3 mods to hit 12.70's (slp loudmouth catback, stealth airbox, Yank Y3000/transgo)

Monkie,
I only wish you were closer to me, so you could mark down your first LS1 loss. Power adder to power adder, heads up...you'd loose.

-Doug

 

Hey for you people that have seen LS1's run, and only seen 13s, Go up and ask to see there time slip, than check the 60' and I bet it is a horrable one. As for the guy who said his buddy with exhaust,lid,4.10s,and a 6spd, was he on slicks or DR, if he was I bet he has no rearend left, But if he was on street tires there is no way he could hook up with 4.10s so that leads to a horrible 60', get that 60' down to where it is suppose to be than you see mid to high 12s with that car no problem.

 

I can find one for ya

 

Yeah Monkie I'm leaking all over your head. You so silly. Go and get all mad when people dont agree. What a baby.

88IrocZ, dont worry about Monkie. He's full of chit. He posts here to cause trouble because it amuses him. He's about 10 years old in reality (as you can see by his comments when hes wrong).

I have seen a MTI 442 LS1 first hand. Those things are crazy fast!! One of my car club members has the MTI 422 in his Corvette Z06 (but he calls it a Z07). Maybe you've seen him around online. His screen name is NOMERCY. Really cool guy. He ran 9's on the bottle.

 

Wow, well I know this guy...Bob Cosby...STFU, how bout you race YOUR car and not go crying to Daddy?

 

CrazyHawaiian I will give you props. Thats pretty impressive for a 5.0 or 5.7L Chevy engine to make 330hp with a vortech supercharger! I bet you can even hang with stock C5s now! LMAO

 

Whats wrong? Your car cant go out of state?

Greenville, South Carolina... come get me.

 

Yeah,
Im going to drive from chicago to South Carolina, just to race you. I just quit my job, so Im leaving right now. Be there tomorow morning.

 

And this comming from the guy who puts his Daddy's 03 Cobra in his sig like its his car. LOL! Monkie you're a neverending circle of hypocracy.

And again, you're the one to talk? I'm pretty impressed with your supercharged 4.6 in your 99 Cobra. Now maybe you too can hang with N/A LS1's with boltons. And its fully tuned right? Wow how wonderfull.

In Monkieland everything is measured by horsepower .... dont worry about torque right Monkie?? Whats that? Torque dosnt matter to Monkie. In Monkieland, Monkie always wins.

 

monkie,

y do u have to be an ??

do u own an LS1??....do you even own a 3rd gen??....

monkie u need to get a life...

i have seen a 98 trans am....automatic...just a hooker catback run a 12.8...i was there...in person...and i dont think that the timing equipment lied...

 

This is the gayest thread ever

 

Guys, this there is to funny!!! WHO THE **** IS MONKIE?!?!?! LOL!!!

Snake - your a loser!

 

snake is monkie

 

ive seen him post over at corvetteforum.com. his car is nuts! he hangs out with a Supra guy over there that is almost as fast. do you guys have the room on those small islands to race cars capable of times like those?

 

Yeah the Supra guy is Ced. Both of their cars are extremely fast. I think Ced just finished a new motor rebuild and a new turbo setup. His old setup dyno'd 635 rwhp. This time around it should be alot more. Our club is EFI Unlimited. You can check out the website at www.efiunlimited.com though we will be getting the site redesigned soon (its only a messageboard for now). Ceds Supra is on the main banner graphic for SupraForums.Com (its the silver one). I'm lucky to be able to see these guys cars in person. They are amazing cars.

As far as racing the cars, I'm not sure. I can't really speak for them. I think that once your car reaches a high power level and you become known (by people and the local law enforcement) you're less likely to race on the streets. I do know both of them take the cars to the tracks (we do have one 1/4 mile track on the island hehe).

But if you ask me, I'll say we do have some good stretches of road here in Hawaii for you to ... um .. 'practice' heheh.

 

Yea, but I will bust your *** with MY CAR

 

Oh its got over 400lbs of torque too. The 03 Cobra makes over 450lbs of torque at 1,750rpms too. Torque, we don't know what that is!

 

and runs a low 13 - high 12 stock. oh yeah, VERY impressive

 

Hey Monk,

I'm in Greenville.....willing to run an old piece of **** TA.

 

You're probably right. If we raced right now you would win. My motor is untuned and tired with over 110k miles. Right now you have the advantage of having your setup tuned and you're pushing more boost. I bought my car how it stands now and alot of stuff needs to be re-done. Why dont you wait untill I get my setup tuned as well and then you can compare the numbers. You might be supprised. If we raced right now I would give you a good run considering the total cost of both our cars at this point (me $6750, you $20K+).

There is a reason I was poking fun at you about torque. You always diss people with TPI motors because they dont have high horsepower numbers. You dont seem to understand that the TPI intake was designed to produce torque. It was not designed to produce horsepower. Unless people change the intake design, there will always be alot of torque and not alot of horsepower. So while you might think you're 'dissing' us because of low horsepower numbers, we laugh because we know that torque wins races.

Oh and the The 03 Cobra does not make over 450lbs of torque at 1,750rpms. Maybe YOUR DADS Cobra does because hes pushing 15 psi and has a few mods. Thats great ... But just to let you know, thats not very impressive numbers for a newer v8 pushing 15 psi. So dont let your head get too big there. The stock cobra runs 8 psi and is rated at 390 ft/lbs @ 3,500 rpm.

 

Vortech:hail:

 

if torque wins races I would like you to explain to me how you would fare against a F1 car

I mean they only produce about 200lbs/ft of torque

 

I'd assume he's referring to a 1/4 mile race.

Now if it was a 2 mile race, then the F1 would win.

Plus a F1 car is like 2000lbs (if even that) and the stangs are about 3300lbs or more for a nicely equipped one, so torque would be a big factor in a drag race.

 

Yea, it makes 450ft lbs @ 1,500rpms stock. DA

 

Sure, Sunday come out to the Walmart on wudruff road around 8. I'll be there.