1st off if you can't hang with me so STFU. You wouldn't be a good race. My power curve is ALOT more braud than yours is. And I am making almost 100 more horse power than you. And I would rape you with even the IRS in the back on Nitto tires. And I would be willing to put up the $500 to that.

2nd off I know all about TPI engines. I've seen a TPI Camaro take a twin turbo supra off the line, only to be hunted down like a scared dog at the 1/8th mark.

3rd off my Dad's car is VERY impressive. How is over 450ft lbs not impressive at 1,750rpms? His torque keeps climbing until 5,500rpms then horse power takes over. And trust me he is making alot more than either yours or my supercharger would ever make. I would really really like to see your dyno sheets to compare it to mine. You need to get it tuned.



Oh and I took a picture of your car and my car and asked some guys whos looks better. Here are the results...

Oh and they all think you are stupid for thinking that you can even hang with me in a race. I agree

 

1/4 mile race

weight is about 1500-1600lbs I think

but lets take a stripped honda CRX down to 1600lbs and put a motor in it that has 200 lbs/ft of torque you might hit high mid 13's


but the f1 car would hit a 9second at 181 mph I think


yeah I know there is a big differene between time and mph but I have seen them do a test on one and that is about what it ran in the 1/4

but then again 900hp with some really low gears in it to make up for not having the torque and well that's what you get


too simple just to say "oh torque wins a race" and leave it at that

 

Here are some more. Some actually said your car looks nice for a 3rd gen, and I agree with them.

:sillylol: Just poking fun at ya. I still think ya got a nice Z28 Crazy. Just don't get next to me and rev at me.

 

Smart, thats what I got 4.10 gears. Although I am getting 3.55s to make it more streetable. Oh well, I will have 4.10s around just in case.

 

SNAKE I never said My car was fast to begin with, it is a 1988 Iroc-Z with a couple of bolt ons nothing big. but you brought up the fact about your dads cobra being so sweet and so fast, So I brought my dads car into play, which would smoke your dads cobra in the 1/4 with out a problem. Also you are the one saying the LS1 is a piece of junk, which is not true. what small block ford can you punch out to 422 cubic inches, and run Mid tens on all motor, and still be street friendly? I cannot think of one that is N/A.

 

Can you post a picture of your Focus, OPPS, I meant Cobra, sometimes I can't tell them apart, sorry. Sounds like Daddy's money.

 

I don't know I honestly think the CRX would run faster than that. It seems to me that big cars need big torque to get them moving or really low gears. In most cases it's all in matching the gearing to the powerband and power output.

 

Well, I guess I'll go ahead and jump in this one. - One thing, I've seen totally gutted and bottled CRX's that still only run high 14's.
Second, I go to the track almost every weekend and have never seen an all stock LS1 do better than 13.4. - BTW, the auto's are faster than the 6-speeds, even GM says so. -
Third, the Ford mod motors are really awsome motors for what they are. I wouldn't talk any crap about torque. My buddies '02 GT runns 13.0's all night. He has a crappy off-road x pipe, flowmasters, timing adjuster, LCA's, K&N FIPK, and 4.10's. Thats not many mods for an engine that is only 281 ci. I have never seen him loose in the 1/8 mile to an LS1. Built LS1's come by him once he clicks 3 gear. The cubes breath up high. I'm a Chevy guy, but fast is fast. It is his only car, so it is definitely a daily driver. Also, its fully loaded and cost him $21,000 new. I priced a loaded '02 TA, and GM quoted me $33,000. aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh, OUCH!!!
Finally, if you want to talk hp vs. tq, its all in traction. Mike Crew's 383 TPI car runs 12.3's and he hasn't even put in his new cam yet! -

Bottom line, fast is fast, whether it be charged or N/A. - Monkie is still on here trying to cause crap. We all know his elucide Cobra runs like low 3's in the quarter, and is faster than anything on earth. - Hey, CrazyHawaiian, didn't you know he's driving ***'s gift to muscle cars?

let it go monkie o snake or whatever...let it go. don't come on a f-body board to bash us, go home.

P.S. I may be picking up my new ram air hood for my car. If so, I'm going to swing through Monkie's little hood just to kick his a**. That makes it all gas money well spent...

 

No your dads car is not impressing me. Sure thats alot of power but compared to other setups pushing 15 psi ... weak. You want to talk impressive you go find Monty Williams engine setup. Thats impressive.

Ahahahaha ...

 

Hey I said your car looks good. And uhhh pal there is atleast 30 people that say they LOVE my car on that board. So I dunno what the hell you are ahahahahin about. Either way it OWNZ JOO

 

It was the second part of that quote that made me laugh.

 

SHAGWELL If you raced 2 New stock Z28's one with an auto and one with a 6spd, the 6spd would beat it, people will have to agree with me on this one. BUT it you add a converter to an Auto than the auto will probobly have the edge. By the way a majority of the New f-bodies I have seen range fom 12.8s-13.6s stock with a set of Nitto DR, people get all pissy about this but that is just what I see. And Like I said you don't believe me got to ls1tech.com, there is proof.

 

I don't care if John Force is driving, a stock LS1 Camaro would never run a high 12, if they did, we would all sell our 3rd gens and buy them. So all I can say is that if you saw a TOTALLY stock with street tires Z28 run high 12's look for a hidden nitrous


Maybe some of us are 16.... and dont have that much money.

 

Yea some people don't like the fact that I "screwed up" a SVT like that. But I like the looks of the Saleen body kit so I did it. I still kept my cobra emblems anyways and if anyone ask if its a real Saleen I say nope just a cobra.

 

FINALLY, Monkie has realized that all of his whiny little b******g ia about JUST A COBRA!!!

Get over yourself man. Sure your car is fast, but it is not a *** send like you think. It is kids like you that just because you have a supercharger on your car, you are the man!!!

Face it, you had to ask on a Ford site to get any nice compliments on your car, and they still realize it is ONLY A COBRA!

I just realized that you must have been picked on ALOT in school, by similar people that are on here, and the only way you can get back is to **** and moan to everyone else who picks on you!

For being an adult, you sure do act like a 3 year old!

 

Drag radials aren't just street tires. Yes, they are DOT, and they are street tires, but they're not just a regular old street tire. - As for the stick vs. auto thing, I just went by the GM specs, and by motortrend specs. The thing I don't see is that I just watched an '01 SS 6-speed, 3.42 option, with heads, a cam, headers & full exhaust, and K&N run 12.6. He did this beside me, so I have his times on my slip also. He went 1.81 60' on regular Nittos, not DRs. - I did watch him from behind, but I still had in my get me by motor('87 305TPI 200k+ miles, w/ blowmaster) - w/ a 1.81, you can't say he was spinning bad... - just what I've seen run, no critisicism intended -

 

Oh ya, this may sound stupid to you, but in my eyes a car has to make people go wow, in order to be very impressive.

Sure your car is fast, but not any different than any other 99 S/Ced Cobra. Therefore it is not very impressive and, just my opinion, pretty tacky looking.

I will admitt, your dads car is impressive, but it is your dads car.

We all know that my dad can beat up your dad!!!
This isn't 2nd grade.

 

BTW - if we want to start bringing out daddies car, I can roll out my dads '68 Camaro. Tell me what the 15x33.5 Goodyears look like from back there? - That methanol burning 445 rat motor (427 crank, +.100 bore) 871charger at 38% overdrive will show anyone who wants to look - why don't we just leave dad's cars out of this, huh?

 

Thank you!

 

My dad is stuck on Buicks. He has a 72 gs350. Its his pimp ride heheheh. For all out racing, he's a bike man. Older Suzuki 1000cc turbocharged @ 25psi with water/alcohol injection. He did post a high 9 second 1/4 on that bike, but (considering the mods) not that good compared to the crazy bikes out today (10 years ago his bike was the bomb).

 

who ever had a head and cammed LS1 and is still in the 12s is a poorly done job and probobly has no tuning where do you guys come up with this stuff?, My dads has a different cam and aftermarket heads and he pulls off 11.30s with a 6spd,





Hitting The Traps
Member # 1045

posted December 18, 2002 05:04 PM
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I can tell you I personally saw a time slip this weekend in Hattiesburg, MS on a 02 SS M6 all SLP options including lid...ABSOLUTELY BONE STOCK AS FROM SLP ran 12.75@110 witha 1.9xx 60'. the weather wasn't the best neither was the track prep. it was good but not great. My car was nearly 1 mph off on the same day.


That is a guy from LS1tech.com that was there to witness it. Totaly stock SS with slp options right off the showroom floor.

 

ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR DAD AND HIS CAR

"Totally stock with SLP options" That's like saying Totally stock with Callaway options.

 

So your 89 LX turns heads? Yea maybe when they hear your flowmasters coming then when they see you they just say "oh, its a mustang". Mine isn't impressive? Thats why people know me by my car. Thats why people stop me out in public that I don't even know to tell me that my car is nice. And hell it should be from all the hours I spend at work just to pay it off. So how bout you shove your LX up your ***? I could care less if you think my car is tacky or not. You are one out of about 50 people that don't like my car. Get over it.

 

so let me get this straight.... you think a car that makes 450 ftlbs and only runs a high 12 impressive? no wonder a body-kit Cobra makes you drool :sillylol:

and i HIGHLY doubt a stock 03 Cobra makes 450 ftlbs at 1500 rpms. i though its PEAK torque figures were 390?

 

I thought your dad gave you the 99 cobra when he got his 03? What are you paying off? The S/C? Oh well it dosnt really matter.

 

Actually my car is not impressive, but I would not ruin my life over it, as you just proved you do!

If someone loves their car as much as you, it is time to look for a girlfriend kid!

I would much rather have a stock LX runing mid 13s, than a Saleen wannabe with only dyno sheets and made up timeslips!

If you like your car great, but when you live your life at work just to be able to afford it, that is when you go from being a car fanatic to being totally f-d up! Just my opinion!

And again Monkie proves he has the mind of a little kid with...
Time to grow up, get out, and live!

 

Very close!

Way back when he was on the V6 Forum, he told everyone that his dad drove the 99 and he had a V6 thirdgen. He will deny it, but this is Monkie we are talking about!

 

I dunno, it had the potential to be a good debate, but it got personal again. My final answer to the ORIGINAL topic is Ford didn't HAVE to put a S/C on the 4.6 to make it competitive. They just chose to, why I'm not sure. This is my last post in the thread, I'm not getting sucked into the same pissing contest thats been going on between the same members for only *** knows how long.

 

That comment is dumb. That would be like saying Buick had to use turbo's with there 3.8 . NASCAR Bush GN cars used to have 450+ HP V6's all motor...so why didn't they do that instead? Because it is cheaper and easier to get power with F/I and it offers a TON of power potential. The Lighting worked well, sells great, and has AWESOME performance running in the mid 13's STOCK and tipping the scales at over 4000lbs. So why not use the same philosophy? I wouldn't say Ford is dumb with the Mustang. The Mustang is still alive and well unlike the F-Body unfortunately. The only reason the F-body got the LS1 is because they were already is use in the Vette so it was actaully cheaper to use the same engine. Why wouldn't they do that? But..as it is obvious....the engine doesn't make the car...or sell it! AND..my friends 2002 Z28 6spd with almost no options ran a 13.26@108 with just a cutout airbox everything else stock. It has chrome rims, T-tops and A/C as only options. And my other friends 2000 SS stock ran a 13.8@102 and with a lot of mods runs 13.20@108...so not all the LS1's are created equal. The LS6 manifold is much better but not that much of a difference.

 

I am pretty sure we all agree that the LS1 is an awesome motor, and one of the best bang for the bucks you can buy!

The truth is, like said before, the Mustang did not need the supercharger. Sure the N/A Cobras were slower than the LS1s, but Ford does know how to make good power N/A, enough to beat the LS1, they just haven't been able to package it yet! Give them some more time with the mod motors, and I bet we see some very powerful cars come out!

 

Ford is in the business to sell cars and make money, not have more NA power. Obviously Ford has a better grip on marketing than GM does, at least in that category. Using the dumb logic of NA vs. F/I :

• Buick was dumb because the couldn't find a better way to make power than turbo a V6
• Turboed DSM's are junk since they have to use turbo's when a Honda can get the same power NA..
• The 3.8 SC'ed Grand Prix's are sad since they barely beat a stock 3.4 NA SHO's HP..
• Porsche should give up since they have to use twin turbo's to run with NA Ferrai's

Thats just lame. So Ford listened to all the power freaks and built a factory SC'ed car that can be modded easliy and offer the best bang for the $$. The car is fast...GET OVER IT. They run mid 12's dead stock and can run in the 11's with a few cheap bolt ons and still have room for 4 adults and groceries. How many cars can do that for $35,000 or more even???!!??:hail: I like any car that has F/I from the factory....thats kick ***. But because Ford did it....it sucks.

 

Really? Please dig up the thread, I myself would like to see that. In fact up until my mom died my dad drove a 69 Camaro and I drove a V6 Third gen. After she died we sold her car, my car, and the 69 camaro. I bought the 99 Cobra because I got it so cheap (17k) and the finance was good on it. After he drove my car a few times and heard that the new cobras were supose to be awsome he bought that. In order to drop my insurance some I bought a 90 RX-7 n/a to state as my primary driver and my Cobra as my weekend driver. Wow 5.0 you really hit the head when you guess **** about me. First off its that I lied about running a 13.1 and now this. Whew man, if I didn't have you around to remind me whats what I guess I would be lost. idiot

 

OH MY ***! WAKE UP DUDE! I was talking about my dad's cobra. It makes 452rwtq @ 1,753rpms and a peak of 480lbs.

 

True, true indeed. Any car that is SCed factory and has soo much room to be played w/ is an awsome car. - Another thing, the Fox body LX's look sweet. The LX isn't as gaudy looking as a GT. - HAs a better stance in my book. - But thats just an opinion. - IF you want to compare, compare apples for apples. A fox body mustang wasn't built to be the equivalent of a '99 blowbra. It was the equivalent of a 3rd gen. Compare that Cobra to a Ram-Air TA. TA's body lines will rock its world! I like the looks of the rustangs, but against a TA? - na. Its a close battle, but not even within the same ball park when comparing to that crap body kit...

 

No, I had the 99 before the 03's were even out. When I bought my 99 I don't even think the 03's were a rumor. I was originally looking at a 94 Cobra at this little used car lot and it was $8,xxx. I went to get it checked out at a shop. It had supercharger brackets on it so someone had taken the supercharger off and then sold it. It had a MSD ignition, shifter, gears, etc, etc, etc. It had a chip so they couldn't hook it up to the computer. To make a long story short it was a POS with a good straight body on it. So I let that one go and started calling Ford dealerships looking for a 94-97 Cobra. No one had one so I decided that I would look for a 99+ GT with good finance. Well the last place I called was a dealership out in the country. I asked if they had a newer GT and they said no but they had a 99 Cobra. I asked how much and he said $21k. I said I would just come look at it. So my dad and I went down there. We took it out for a test drive and I liked it alot, it felt like a new car. Well I told the guy that I couldn't swing 21k, that I would be paying it off until I was 40. I finally talked him down to $17,500 before taxes with 5% finance I think. He lost 3k in the deal but they were out in the country and the main thing bought out there was trucks. So the Cobra had been sitting and he wanted to get rid of it.

 

i COMMEND ford for using a SC. thats awesome, the guys at chevy are a bunch of poons...

theres no need to bring this subject up tho...

 

I don't agree. I think the S/C is a good idea, but with the probs they are having I think they need to work on it a little more. The Lightning is awesome because of the S/C, but having it, gives everyone else an excuse.

I think GM had great cars with the N/A LS1 and N/A LS6. I don't think they should start S/Cing their vehicles anytime soon. GMs high powered N/A motors alloe guys like Doug Rippie, and Lingenfelter to do some amazing stuff with them! Saleen now only has one car faster than the 03, and it costs almost $60,000!

 

oh, im wide awake. you claim this above statement right?

but a couple posts before, you typed this:
like ive said time and time again... you contradict yourself. youre so involved in winning an arguement, you cant keep your false facts straight

 

oh and one more thing... how can you type this in your posts:
notice the torque #s? you might want to check your sig, then, cause this is what you have listed in there:
so which # is it Monkie?

youve lied before, your lying now, and youll definately lie to us again

and you wonder why we never believe you

 

Wasnt he banned before?

 

it is how well you match **** out

I have half the torque of a LG4 and only a few hundred pounds less


but with the gearing and powerbad I can hold my own against one...

so it isn't just oh torque wins the race but how you put things together

 

as for your gutted CRX... he either didn't know how to drive... or was still using the stock CRX motor

CRX is only about 1900-2200 pounds depending on trim

the stock motor is only about 115hp for the top one

the GSR is making about 195hp
and a stock integra GSR is close to low 15's with a hell of a lot more weight.. I'm sure the CRX could do a little better then that



but I agree with you

fast is fast either way you look at it, whatever car you do it with, it doesn't matter your still fast

 

i think if this keeps going... monkie is gunna have to make a 3rd name now... i have seen 12sec fbodies... i saw one race a 03 cobra when MM&FF brought them both to englishtown, and i did see both run the same time of 12.7... now what? what can u say about that? nothing... now shut up

 

Believe what you want. I am sitting here looking at the dyno sheet and to me it looks like 452rwtq @ 1,753rpms and 480 was my typo. Its 470. Wow, 10 lbs off the world is coming to an end.

 

Benny just to let you know the SLPoptions are pretty common on 1998-2001 F-Bodies. Oh and the SLP options are totaly different than A callaway car, that was a stupid way to compare the two.

 

i'll solve all the debate over ford and chevy the beats thing to do would to get a mopar crate engine 318,340,and 360 are screamin small blocks the the big blocks 383,the mighty 426hemi and 440 six pack with 4 speed . some day i'd like to put a 440 in my 85 bird

 

You are a sick bastard.

 

hey im sorry, did i invite you into this thread, i think not, no one here wants to hear your close mindedness, plus who is the dumb *** trying to make yourself feel better from being a total *** to everone else around you, and i also didn;t know that is was a site for FORD products, i thought it was for Chevy and Pontiac (sp), and thirdgens, not crap *** mustangs. this is to those stupid punk *** ford owners, the ones that are cool like 5.0mustang, Mustang5L5, and others like them.

sorry i just am tired of people not understanding what some things are deticated to. then going to them and being stupid as hell to everyone there. naimly monkie.

 

I think we're saying not to those like 5.0mustang, Mustang5L5, and others like them. As in we have no problem w/ them being here. They have valuable info. Not those like monkie who just want to argue that Ford is the best. And yes, I'm sure Monkie got banned, thats why he is now Snake. more like FAKE!!! - I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but I don't have a problem w/ Ford guys who don't have problem w/ me. Their cars are fast too.

Another thing. I had a 96ish Civic hatchback hold up w/ my rear bumper last night. I was impressed, but I could hear the motor come to life on the gas. He said something like 150-200. It takes how much to try an hold my bumper? Ok, I was shifting early, but my tach had freaked out and was sitting at 0. I know I still need some tuning, but I was impressed...

 

Would you like a tissue? I think you are getting the keyboard wet.