Ok, guys

anyone making any half decent power can KILL the new hemi trucks....one less thing to worry about lol.

one of my good friends just bought a 2003 dodge with the new hemi, and we went out to hooters for some wings and such....

we were getting on the highway, and he punched it.....and i stayed right on his ***, he couldnt pull on me at all.....the best part about this is i was driving a pontiac grand am rental car.....its not a GT either, it was a 4-door grand am with the 3.4L didnt even have the 3.8.

now thats not very impressive considering the truck has 345hp.....i dont care how heavy it is.

the other guy in his truck told me he was all the way into it too

 

thats kinda funny. I didnt think they would be that slow, but hey i dont have a poblem with it, lol

 

kinda pissed me off actually....i was hoping they would be faster. it probably has something to do with dodges exceptional transmission designs

 

I agree, my dad has a 94 caravan and that is the worst piece of crap tranny ever built. Its already been rebuilt once and its about time for another one again. Piece of crap dodge trannys!

 

It doesn't make sense to use such engines in those things. They need a musclecar again.

 

agreed 100%

 

ya that motor would be the ballz in something like an avenger or some crap lol

 

I'll bet it can sure pull a trailer/boat etc. I don't think fast is what they;re going for. It is a pickup truck afterall. To look at the other side of things, watch out for the new Neon SRT's... the neon is no longer something to be scoffed at, and I for one am worried about losing to this cute little thing

 

If you watch their commercial for the truck they try to make it seem fast which 383backinblack i think proved they are not. Its all in the marketing. It has a hemi so it must be fast right? Atleast thats what they want you to think.

 

lol, everything is about fast? didnt you know that

 

poor dodge, ever since emission came into the game in the 70s they have been sinking fast. although they do reassure us that the tranny problems are fixed, sure they are thats why my neighbors 2001 had the tranny fixed 3 times. oh well i will take one of their muscle cars though. now they were baddasses.

 

dodge needs to get their **** together and put out a nice musclecar... wtf happened to the chargers, cuda's and **** like that!!! instead they put out pos' like the prowler and the viper *pukes*

 

I would not scoff at the Viper, they are a nice car, even though they are 30K more than the Vette and have to have a V10 to make 500 HP, they are still nice. Someone on the LS1 board has a Viper putting over 1000 HP out of his car.

I would kill to get s Super Stock Dodge, 11's from the factory, an aluminum engine in that time was impressive. Who gives sh^it if the new Neon is turbo-charged, just proves that Dodge can not make a low displacement engine that can run with the imports. They can not make a good low displacement engine for their lives. They make killer 8's, but their 6's and 4's suck major a^ss. My parents had to changed the head gaskets on their Omni like 3 times in 2 years, and had constant problems with the gaskets and the engine in general on their Acclaim. I must get back to the point that Neons are still a girls car, they are still gay looking.

If Dodge, hell, all domestic companies would actually start developing a real muscle car, they would notice a very large interest in them since my parents generation grew up with these big blocks in their family sedans, the older generation would buy them up quickly. Just think of the Little Old Lady from Pasadena driving a Concorde with a Hemi in it.

 

Neon SRT-4=Cudas,Challengers,Darts
Viper=Daytona,Superbird
Yes,its the sick sad truth.

 

emissions my friend

 

Man o man, cant understand why the hell all these car companies are just not getting it. Its like there getting 50% of it, which is they understand about making big engines, and or quick engines, there problem is where they are putting them. Neons, trucks, family sedans, what the hell is this world come too?

Why the hell do u think people, or the mass consumer who doesnt know **** about "real" perfomance cars, goes out and buys all those cars. Because car companies are bringing performance to them, instead of making a "real" platform design thats made for a a performance or muscle car and having the consumer buy a new design.

Of course the average Joe is not gonna buy a 2002 Trans Am, he can get a Neon SRT-4, and still get ALOT of performance, out of a grocery designed, eco-box, girly looking car

Why car companies, why, or better yet, why America, why?

 

I have always been a fan of the hemi engine. I bet if Dodge actually put a hemi in a car like they should have, then I bet that hemi car would be fast then.

Those Dodge trucks are no light weights so they are not the fastest vehicles despite 345 bhp. I bet the Grand Am had over a 1000 lbs advantage.

Look at it this way, who is going to run faster,


A 340 lbs line backer that can bench press 400 lbs or


A 110 pound kenyon that can bench press 100lbs.

 

Couldnt be said any better.

 

Well, they have been looking at bringing back 1 of their musclecars. In a few years I think things will change for the better with all the U.S. car companies.

 

The Charger's coming back tho, right? And, hopefully it'll have a HEMI too. Man, I love the '71 426 HEMI 'Cuda convertible, that's my DREAM CAR!!! If only Plymouth hadn't gone out of business. Well, atleast WE can be kings of the street till the new wave of American Muscle car arrives.

 

how much does one of those 2003 dodge truck with the new hemi's cost?

 

I think that Neons look halfway decent with a lowered stance and nice wheels. I mean - the WRX is a cool car and it had the same (similar) size body and stance and its a blown 4 banger as well. The Neon is underrated too - first generation Neons w\ a stick could pull mid 15's with a good driver.

 

my dream car 70 superbee with a 440 six pack or i will take a 69 daytona with a 426. if given to me i wont complain.

 

they're doing pretty good with the Vipers, 10 yrs and still going strong, but they need a decently priced ($25-$35K) musclecar.

 

Those Neons definately have some potential, but I just can't get passed their appearance. If Dodge could just redesign the front of them so that it would not be so embarrassing to drive one.


They are great for girls, but for guys, I don't knowww. . . . . . . . . .


The Neon may be faster than my thirdgen, but I would rather been seen in my slow thirdgen than a quick Neon.

 

This is kinda off topic, but i'll pipe in since well..... I work for a Dodge/Chrysler dealership. The Viper is pretty damn expensive, but not much can touch one right outta the box. And from the looks of things, Dodge may be coming out with some pretty mean cars, like a 300M with a Hemi in it. I wish they'd come out with the Razor or Copperhead, those were badass looking concepts. Both had Viper V10's. Don't count Dodge out yet, they made badass muscle cars back in the day and i'm willing to bet we'll be seeing some good stuff coming soon. They're listening more than GM is right now, all we have is the Vette and the upcoming GTO......

Back on subject, nice kill.

 

Cheapest one i've seen on the lot was $40k.

 

sorry, this is kinda off topic but people mentioned Vipers, and I think it's incredible you can get a (roughly) 500hp 500lbs/torque for $30K used (1993 vipers). but still, building you own beats anything. you can buy a 3rd gen with no engine or tranny, but perfect body and interior for $1500, then spending $15K on an engine and tranny and upgrades, beat 99% of the cars on the road. sweet......now i only need a way to get that 15K, maybe i'll pick up a lottery ticket tomm

 

I think the early vipers have like 430 hp or so. The new ones have 500 hp. Still not worth it to me when you can buy an f body with better looks and make it even faster for much less money. By the way vipers sound like crap. That V10 just can't touch the sounch of a healthy v8.

 

what's in the new dodge ram hemi truck? now imagine that in a 'new' cuda :rockon:

 

it was emissions that killed dodges and fords and chevys true muscle cars. when emissions came out everyone was more worried about gas mileage and the birth of foreign cars grew and grew and grew. why do you think you cant see the ground while looking straight down into the engine bay of a new car. gee i think its all the emissions and gas mileage crap they have to put on.

 

Forget dodge,

anyone know when the Chevy silverado SS will be coming out, thats a truck thats meant to go fast and i heard they will be going into production soon, or maybe im wrong?

 

You're wrong. It's a 345hp/360tq short bed extended cab pickup. It doesn't really have enough torque to tow heavy trailers not enough bed space for use as a work truck, too many doors to look cool, and sits too high to be considered a 'sport' truck. It's basically an overpriced underpowered "loaded" silverado pickup with a $2000 extras package for $10000. Think Camaro Z28 SS vs Camaro Z28. Nothing more than graphics interior and exhaust. I'd get a loaded Silverado and have the same exact thing save the dubs and plaque.

 

junior seau can bench press 500lbs and runs a 4.4 40yd.

i know a running back that played at RPI that could squat 650lbs and ran a 4.2 he was also the national indoor track champ in the 50m in the NCAA.

just to put things in perspective

 

its a regular 6' bed, which is the same size as 90% of trucks on the road. all my trucks are 8' beds, but are primarily work trucks. alot of guys use 6' bed trucks for work too though.

the driveline in the SS is the same as the one in the denali. its not 4x4 its AWD. the torque factor here is not really the issue, as far as gas engines go in trucks thats not too bad, save for the 8.1l vortec engine that makes about 450 ft/lbs and 340hp. the price is a bit steep considering you can get the denali truck for 45k. and who wants a regular cab truck anyways?

 

See, that's my point. It's a $2500-3000 package just like the Camaro SS basically. If it were that price then I wouldn't be so upset about it, but it's TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS more than a loaded Silverado. Why not just get a loaded silverado and call it a day? It's not worth the price you pay as it's not good for much.

 

I'm getting tired of all of these SUV's, Trucks, economy cars, and family cars that keep coming out. It always seems like a 2 door rwd sports car gets discontinued every year.

 

OK well, this is off the topic but the GT Grand Am's only have 3.4L engine's in them and they are pretty much the same as the SE 3.4's but the GT's have RAM AIR .

But as was stated before your racing a heavy truck set-up for pulling a trailer, with a far lighter car that isn't designed to race but has more ability than the truck to do so.

OK I'm not a Dodge guy but they get the thumbs up way to go award for bringing the hemi back, and chevy better forget the pushrod non-hemi engine's and get their asses in gear soon!

Later, Garrett

 

it might be heavy, but it has more than 100 more hp and WAY more torque. that shouldnt happen, period. that car would lose to my gmc with the 6.0l vortec in it for sure.

my contention is that the transmission didnt/wont kick down all the way....due to dodges excellent transmission building prowess

this peformance would put the hemi truck someplace in the 15-16 sec range....so with about 35 more hp the lightning is in the 13's or so? something doesnt line up there....the lightning is lighter....but its not LIGHT by any means

 

My opinion on that Truck is still up in the air. It still angers me that they put money into trucks out the ying yang when foreign car comapines are making faster and faster cars... Great example is the 350Z and the G35, WRX and EVO VIII, and all other basic cars that are getting super engines.. A Honda Accord with a 240hp!!! what! an altama with 245hp and a Maxima 260 hp!!! someone tell me whats up

 

big al..have you seen the torque numbers these engines put out? its simply hilarious. thats how they can have great HP numbers and still cant make it down the 1/4 in under 15 seconds...its all a marketing scheme..people think oh its got 250 horses its gotta be fast, when in all actuality the car is slower than poop.

 

Yeah, that torque gets you going, but that horsepower keeps you going. Those imports, with the exception of the obvious ones, take a longer start than cars with more torque so those cars have to make up the loss of torque with horsepower.


A good launch is always important and lots of torque will help you achieve that, assuming you have some great traction.

 

i think that what's wrong with the hemi trucks is that the gearing is all wrong for racing, because, come on, it is a truck ya know?
anybody got a dyno graph on one of those? what's the tranny gears? final drive ratio?
hp probably peaks at like 3600 rpms and has 3.55 rear end gears....
the hemi was suppose to be just for 3/4 ton trucks originally...

 

Yup, it just isn't made for it. Even though they try to market it that way.

 

well sure in a round about sort of way.

Horsepower doesnt really "do" anything. HP is just a derived quantity that we like cause it sounds cool and is a better approximation in concept of what we try to make cars do on a daily basis....go fast.

im sure everyone knows that HP is derived from torque.....but its that fact that makes torque so much more important....its a direct measurement of whats going on. torque in its simplest calculation is Force x lever arm.

HP is just a convenient figure that helps to explain what we do with that torque......its also a measurement of how quickly work can be done.

the more average torque an engine has the better it is.

if you had a motor that made like 300 ft/lbs....but did so at every operating RPM (flat torque curve) it would destroy an engine that made 600 ft/lbs but did so over only a few hundred rpm, falling off sharply fore and aft.

drag racing is all about how much torque you can apply to the ground and how long you can apply it for.

wow i kinda went off on a tangent there didnt I?:lala:

 

i think the truck has 3.73's in it. considering its a dodge, the gear ratios are probably all as follows.....

sh*t : 1
Sh*t : 1
1:1
1 : Sh*t

lol

seriously though, after that performance....i know my gmc can beat that thing....its a 2500HD long box extended cab with the 6.0L

 

sh*t : 1
Sh*t : 1
1:1
1 : Sh*t


lmao so 3rd gear is **** : ****? lol

you want a quick truck...get a base model 4.3 v-6 silverado...buy a ls1 crate motor with the money u saved...get some go fast goodies with the moeny u saved....get some more go fast parts with the money u saved....

talk about a sleeper
"its just a 4.8 with a cam and headers"

 

nope, get a GMC sierra work truck with a 6.0 and use that for your foundation.....all the LS1 bolt on stuff will fit...all the parts between the ls1 and the 6.0 vortec are interchangeable including internals.

the only difference is the tune, (cam, head, valves, PCM etc) and the block is iron, not aluminum....no sleeves so you can bore it way out, get a stroker kit from lunati and make yourself a not too expensive 434ci ls1 motor....now strap on the ls6 heads, intake and cam....and your talkin well over 500 hp

 

Kev...looks like you and me got some work to do... 500hp A?? lets do it

 

well al, i doubt my dad is gonna let me pull the engine out of his brand new truck.......lol, so that leaves us with buying a brand new vortec 6000......something tells me they are a bit pricey lol.

now if it was my truck..........

all that and a procharger.....hmmmmm 700hp anyone?