ok... How much power does a 96 cobra have stock? all the kid has is a BBk CAI kit... the 02 GT has a lot of work done: heads, cams, CAI, tb, and full exhaust. he said he cant really hang with the LS1's but has smoked some LT1's and the cobra ran a 14.0 at the track...
by the time i race, my car will have all thats in my sig, maybe with some lca's or new springs.. anyway.. whos gunna win?

 

96 cobra shouldnt make much more then 300hp stock cause the 98 cobra is listed at 320 stock, but i would put my money on that GT

 

'96-'98 Cobras were rated at 305hp. I hear if you gear the hell out of them they can be really impressive. Seems a little strange that the '02 GT with all that work done to it cant hang with LS1's.

 

I have one question. What heads, and cams did the person do? As far as cams there are really no options beside very expensive custom cams, and as far as heads, no aftermarket companies make them. I have a feeling if he can't hang with LS1s there is no cams and no heads on the car! A tbody anf full exhaust GT should be solid 13s and if he did actually do work to the heads, and get cams he should be very low 13s on street tires!

As for the Cobra a 14.0 is a decent time, but he should go 13s with it. If he adds somw 4.30 or 4.56 gears he could be well into the mid 13s!

 

I would not be betting on you...

 

WHat heads and cams does he have on an '02 GT considering there no aftermarket heads for the 4.6 PI motor and any cams would have to be expensive custom ground cams???

 

i got no money on u buddy i got it all on the gt. just because he said he cant hang with ls1s doesnt mean its true if he is telling the truth about his mods i have a 65 elcamino and i say o its got a lil small block and its slow as hell and u know wat most people say o **** ill whoop his *** but then there are the smart quiet people who say i dont wanna race him and the loud teens say ill race u for money and u know what they lose that money. so look at his engine and tell him to start it up that will tell u if he has a cam and look at teh heads to see if they are stock. and look for all other mods

 

First off jocww I only understood half of that. I am not bashing you, just try and use sentences!

Second off there are two cams in the new Mustangs, now whether that was a typo or you just don't care, I am just letting you know!

Third, you would never tell about the heads, because as stated before by two people there are no aftermarket heads for the GTs. If there was anything as far as heads on the car he had head work done and you can't see that! Oh ya and on the new GTs it is very hard to see the heads as the engines are crammed into the engine bay very tight!

As far as other mods to see, you wont see headers (harder to see than the heads) you wont know if he has a computer chip (this really helps the GTs) you wont see gears, or a timing adjuster, all of which can add a lot to his car!

My suggestion would be to find someone who knows about the car and isn't afraid to say what it has! other than that wait till he hits the track and see his times!

 

couldnt he use cobra heads if he did the casting #s would be dif than that of a gt also it pays to get a little dirty and get on the ground and see wat he has true you cant see his gears or his chip or how much he advanced his timing but you can look for signs that he has done stuff to his car.

 

how come i feel like im getting yelled at for saying the 02 has new heads?.. im just sayin what the dude said to me... i dont keep up on the modular aftermarket parts... and i have yet to see a modded GT hang with a LS1... sorry boys.. im sure you have, but i have not.. they guy said he tore the 4.6 out of the GT as soon as he got it and started to work on it with new heads and cams... it sounds pretty decent.. and i was in the car when he drove it... it felt like it had more torque then the cobra, but just something wasnt there... felt like it was empty or something.. it didnt have *****.. neither of them really did... oh well.. and i thought that the 96 cobras had less hp then that.. i thought around like 280? if some LT1's can go mid to high 13's.. how come a 305hp cobra cant? i say ford will always be a little horsepower crazy when it comes to rating the cars... both kids are good drivers too... the one with the cobra used to have a 90 GT with a really decked out 5.0.. he could beat some stock LS1's with that car... i thought with all my mods, i could be around 14.0... thought i might have a chance on at least one of them...

 

If he did Cobra heads, he would have to change to DOHC and that is a lot of work! He might have if he did heads and cams, but then he should be beating LS1s! Your not getting yelled at because we knew you were just saying what you heard, but some people lie about their vehicles and don't realize they can be spotted! If he really took the motor out and did those things to it and can't play with the LS1s he wasted time and money! There are some bolt-on GTs running 12s, so he needs to learn a few things!

 

hehe what does a bolt on mean to you? supercharger?... thats A LOT of bolt ons for a gt to get into the 12's... bolt on a saturn V rocket maybe... my brother knowes the kid more then i do, and my brother said he put about 5-6k in his car, and that he cant beat ls1's but can stay with them... like if the ls1 gets out ahead, the gt wont pull on him, and the ls1 wont pull any farther...

 

question bigal, supposing this guy(GT) isnt full of **** and has put bout 5-6G's into this car, how many times has he raced a ls1?, and does he know if that ls1 was stock or not, who knows the ls1 could have been charged, i still would personally call BS on this guy though

 

A bolt-on is an exhaust system, MAM, any CAI, throttle body, and on an older 5.0 I might consider an intake manifold a bolt-on! Yes a new GT with these parts and the right suspension can run 12s! Obviousely with traction but some guys start in the 13.7-13.9 range and then it is bolt-ons to the 12s!

 

There is an aftermarket company that makes cams, blocks, crate engines, you name it for 4.6 Stangs. Forgot the name of the company since HITHERE sold my 2000 GT more than HITHERE year ago. Anyhow, it's very tough to make HITHERE built 4.6 2V to hang with LS1's, unless there's HITHERE SC in the picture. With heads, cams and HITHERE few other bolt-on's...he's probably pushing no more than 270rwhp. HITHERE was grossly dissapointed to hear of HITHERE 99+ GT with HITHERE built 281 2V pushing only 280rwhp on Corral.net. It'll take much more than bolt on's, ported heads and custom cams for it to hang with an LS1. Add longtubes, 4.10's and he might could hang for HITHERE little while but will, as always, fall short in the top end. But he'll be alot closer!! Slap on HITHERE SC to HITHERE bone stock 2003 GT...watch out!! HITHERE did hang with an LS1 once in my relatively stock GT. Hanged with him up to 55, then he handed my butt to me from there.

Brandon

 

i trolled the mustang boards and tho ive never heard of a matched 02 GT not running with ls1s with those mods, he could have mismatched parts. if the parts dont work together, then it will be a crap buildup and a crappy running car. kid i know owns a fox body notch, very nice and its even loud...ran a 14.2 with mods like heads, intake, etc etc and 302s by now should have a set list of things to do and what kind of parts to get.

96-98 cobras are nothing to sneeze at, i dont know your signature but my friend had a 98 at best ran a 14.0 @ 98mph. that was his best, when racing vs manual its all about driver, ive pulled consistent mid 14s with stock trim then pulled mid 14s with mods due to traction and clutch (dont ever do a burnout like the 302 guys tell you to do on the mustang boards to heat up the nittos...RUINED my clutch and i think my tranny).

 

in response to your question, my friends b4c 305 with heads and everything ran low 13s. the GT if its nicely tuned should be a good run, say bye bye to the 96 cobra though, hell be in your rear long as you dont spin too much off the line and he cant drive well.

 

What I was saying was. With this GT we're all talking about, the mods he has won't hang with an LS1. That cai and tb won't do anything. So basically he has custom ground cams, a port job, and exhaust. Is that it? Add 4.10's, custom tune, timing adjuster, longtubes and slicks.....he'll hang. Providing the LS1 is bonestock. Add a SHM stroker kit to a SOHC 4.6....:hail:.

90Iroc-Zee.....do you even realize a 2002 GT only has 260 right out of the box? A 2002 Z28, for instance, has over 300. Stangs have to play a "catch up" game to be level with a stock LS1 of somekind. Even when they do catch up....they're also playing with 70 less cubes. That's quite a handicap.

Brandon