Hey everyone!
I couldnt find any better board for this so I thought this would be ok. Say I had a 91Z28, one automatic, and one manual, saying the manual driver was good, who would win? I understand the manual has about 15 horsepower less, but manuals have more HP to the weels, right? Does anyone have stock times for either model of camaro?

I have a Car Craft magazine from January 1991 that tested the 1LE Z28's.. the 305/5 speed and the 350/Auto. The name of the article was Thunder & Lightning.

The 305 did a 14.78@93.85 mph and the 350 did a 14.31@96.00 mph.

Dave

Well of course, 1 was a 350 and 1 was a 305. But if you had the same engine I'd say the manual would win with a better driver, but all the Automatic has to do is be modded and things would change.

Is there any way to have the 350 with a manual? I thought no?

To my knowledge very very very few 350's were let by with a T5.

Say 2 showroom condition cars, one 350 Auto, one 305 TPI manual, the 350 will win by alittle.

How much would it take to get the 305 to run the same times as a 350? Those two stock times were pretty different, but I want a 5 speed since Im getting a bit bored. So how much money would it take to do simple mods, bringing the quarter mile to 14.3 or even 14 flat? Any 5 speed 305'ers with mods that bring them to the early 14s?

there were NO L98/T5's. Of course everyone has a cousin who has a neigbhor he knew his friend's denist that had one

I've had countless people insist they own a L98/T5 from the factory until I tell them to check their VIN. Granted GM has let things slip through but until I see one with my own eyes with proper RPO codes they don't exsist

305 vs 305 the manual will win I would imagine because with a good driver it can shift faster and launch harder. However with an average driver itd probably be a good race.

yeah I wasnt expecting to find a 5.7L 5 speed, that'd be really cool but nah. I think im gonna go with the 5 speed, but I dont want it to be too slow, you know? maybe this is the wrong board,but would it be too expeisnive to make the 5 speed the same as the automatic? As in simple mods

It actually won't take much to make a 305 pull better than a 350, just opening up the breathing a little (intake/exhaust) you'd probably be doin' as good or better.

Tim

LB9 cars can run quite fast. Just remember that 350 cars run faster

Hell yes you can get one, it's was actually kind of easy, all you had to do is order an L/98 car, and then do a little thing called a tranny a swap.

And like magic L98 / T-5 Camaro

Later Guys, Garrett

I think he meant from the factory

Two 92 Anniversary camaros came with 6 speeds, they were never released of course.

I "think" one was crushed, the other however is still on show,GM owns it

91 Z28 auto/350 vs 91 Z28 5spd/305...of course the manual would win

on the real though, it would be a close race. im biased so im goin with the 5 spd

Same year L98 Auto vs. same year LB9 5-Speed = The L98 wins. The 350 was always a few tenths or more faster, obviously.

Actually ya they did make them. Not many of course, very few made it to the streets. Saw one at the track one night. It was an '88. I asked the kid about it and he told me it was a one owner and the guy used to work for GM and he somehow got one, special order or otherwise. I didn't believe him either til I ran the VIN. Not impossible just incredibly rare, the only one I have ever seen and or heard about.

The VIN will not tell you, you have to look at the RPO's. The VIN will let you know what engine only but the RPO's will tell you both.

Didn't the firehawk have a 350 backed by a T56?

Edit: Er... my bad it was a 355...

I get so tired of hearing people tell me thier 305 car is a 350 or that it came with a 350, I actually had one old man tell me I didnt know **** and that his camaro SC did come with a 307 sbc. the only L98/T5 cars were not built for public consumption. they were delivered incomplete to SCCA racing teams under a sposorship program to compete with the mustangs. the RPO was the only way SCCA would let them compete with a 350 and a T5 without penalty. There is light refference to it in David Shelby's Camaro Performance Handbook (It is "a" big white book but I dont know if it is "the" big white book, I dont know what "the big white book of camaros" is)

actually an auto will always be able to shift faster, your hands and feet cant be as fast as hydraulic pressure, especially a built automatic, but manuals do put slightly more power to the ground and dont suffer from the slippage that autos do with t.c.'s, but the t.c. acts as a torque multiplier, honostly i believe a well built auto with a good stall converter can take any manual aside from maybe the most proffesional driven one, but manuals are funner (unless your stuck in rush hour traffic)

I agree with you somewhat, i like my automatic (th350 w/ stage 2 shift kit and 3000 stall) but stock automatics, and i mean stock automatics shift reeeaaalllly slow between gears whereas a professional driver for say car and driver might not even use the clutch on the manual car. Just something to think about. Not many people can outdrive an automatic all other factors being the same.

I completely disagree with you. The #1 reason people use manuals on road courses is for more complete control over their car in terms of cornering and how much or how little power is applied.

I don't know if you've ever ran through a road course, it doesn't seem like it by your post, no offence. I've ran a road course before, well, only twice, but I can honestly tell you that manuals are much more preferred all around.

He is stating it in a drag racing sense. I cant think of many people who would argue with you that an auto is better for auto-x'ing than a manual.

Seth

I think that was a typo

ya, i meant in a drag/street race sense, ofcourse i completely agree manuals are better for road courses (and yes ive ran a couple) because you select your gears versus the tranny doing it depending on your speed and how much throttle is applied, sorry if i mislead you but once again i was referring to plain out straight line acceleration

Yup my bad. As far as street racing is concerned, a hi-stall converter is hard to beat. Simple to just stand on the gas and GO!