Check out these complaints...

http://www.angelfire.com/mn/MikeOnli...etteSucks.html

Yeah they have outrageous power and they look great, but do Corvettes really suck as far as everything else goes? Quality? GM Service? Durabiltiy? Engineering?

 

Gee! another happy GM customer. I'll take a C5 vette anyday, and learn to live with the problems. I did that with my 3rd Gen
IROC, 16 yrs and I am finally getting it right.

 

"6) The climate control display has become so dim that I cannot read it. Once again, Chevrolet won’t fix it! This is extremely dangerous too. "


I dont get it.

 

i dont know if you have heard the "frog in a pot" theory...

if u put a frog in boiling hot water itll jump out....but if u put in cool water and the gradually heat it up to a boil, the frog will sit in there and cook...

maybe the vette owners cant tell that they have the heat on hot and full blast?....wouldnt surprise me..87% percent of the owners cant drive them..

 

It's the same with 4th gens... some shabby parts, but over all good car, good engine good drivetrain excellent power and price... they are still awesome cars...

My '97 RS doesn't have any squeeks, but half the lights are dead on the radio... and the defroster in the back windsheild only stays on for 30 seconds (common problem)... but hell I can pull just as well as any thirdgen ever did with the V6...

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But...
I wonder if he's not feeling the posi rear end engage?:

2) The wheel-hop is so bad, I can never apply full throttle in first or second gear! In fact, it wheel hops even when I’m just driving slowly- making corners and the rain impossible! Note that my C4 didn’t do this. Chevrolet won’t even look at it under warranty!

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Maybe the wider tires?:

8) There is way too much bump steer considering the fact that comparably priced German cars have none.

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Check washer fluid and or learn to read codes yourself...

11) I get the ‘Service Engine Soon’ light all the time for things as trivial as low washer fluid. And Chevrolet won’t pull the codes for less than $50. What a scam! The warranty is once again worthless.

 

-First of all, the HVAC controls are all computerized. You have to program it to whatever temperature you want then it does whatever automatically. It's all really complicated, and if you can't see the display to see what it's doing, then you have no idea if it's on hot or cold or where or what it's doing. It's got a mind of it's own.

-And the posi is really tight, but that doesn't have anything to do with the wicked, severe wheel hopping that starts up with ANY slight wheelspin. This does include turning corners where the posi makes the inner wheel spin a little. It hops and jerks really bad, and it's embarrassing. This is a common problem with most C5s and no one really knows how to fix it whereas it's an easy fix on a Camaro.

-Wider tires make bumpsteer worse. That's why Chevy went to a narrower 8 inch front wheel in '93 from the previous 9.5 inch wheels.

-I've been sticking jumpers in the diagnostic connecter of my cars since they've been putting them in there. I shouldn't have to do that on a car with a warranty.

 

If this is a regular coupe then it came with 245's on an 8.5" wheel... and bump steer shouldn't be a problem, but the Z06 has 265's up front and that would definitely make some bump steer occur...

There is a sacrafice to high speed performance if you eliminate bump steer... and the tread will wear faster... I've got 275's on all four corners and I get some bump steer... only at low speeds... if you have both hands on the wheels it should be no problem...

I also get wicked wheel hop in low traction situations... It seems the better the tires I put on the less wheel hop I get per burnout...

I have yet to own a C5.. but it sounds like you got a worse one out of the batch...

 

nice kill

 

i had to jump in on this one as both a 3rd Gen Cammy owner and a 4th Gen Vette owner!

i've been surfing this board for awhile now and just thought i'd post to enlighten the vette factor a bit.

i own a 87 coupe that is stock with 250 hp and 350 lbs of torque. the car runs 14 flat in the 1/4 with a 2.0 60 ft with a 2.59 rear gear. this car handles phenominal and i drive all my sports car like i stole'em. with that said i have never gotten any wheel hop out of the vette not once! the independent rear end keeps the rubber down with no problems. i took home a 01 Z-O6 also and that car was plain fast! same thing no wheel hop dumping the clutch and jamming down on it.

Now in my 82 Z/28 that thing is wheel hop city. i've owned this car since i was 18 and am 30 now. i've went thru 4 tranny's 2 sets of trans mounts, 1 rear end (replaced with a 3:42 richmond rear from the axles in) and 1 fly wheel cracked in 3 places. now this car isn't stock but is only on the mild side with some head work and a cam running 13.6's at 103 mph before i took it off the road for a complete resto. i'm now throwing in a 383 stroker with a T-5 with some nitrous.

For the money vettes don't suck by no means. C-4s are getting cheap and with about 1k in mods the L98's can run high 12's low 13's very easy. LT-1's can run solid 12's and LT4's easy low 12's approaching Z-O6 and ZR-1 territory. yes you get the occasional rattle but it's something we vette owners live with. just turn the stereo up I bought my vette last year with 32k in miles and have 50k now. my camaro has only 96k in miles. both are nice cars. i got the 16" iroc rims on the camaro and it handles almost as good as the vette.

all in all the F-Bodies and Vettes are 2 sweet rides with the vette having a better ride to it. Both are very predictable when taking turns at their limits though.

 

I have no beef with the C4. My '92 C4 was a real performer despite the fact that every single option broke. It's the damn C5 that is such a disappointment. It technically 'performs' better than the C4, but it lost something in a few areas.

Now fixin' 3rd gen wheel hop is the easiest thing in the world. Just put poly bushings in the rear control arms or buy new aftermarket arms if you don't mind spending a hundred bucks.

And I've been thru countless tranny mounts on my '87 Camaro too. You've gotta get the Energy Suspension poly one. It'll outlast the car.

 

yeah thats what i heard on the 3rd Gens. i've had mine for over 12 years now and just now getting the money to put her back together after a 6 year hiatus.

my next vette is either a ZR-1, Callaway TT, or an LT-4 i'm like you i don't like the C-5's although the Z06 is a pretty stout car but again i don't like th body style

 

I really think these random complaints should be taken with a grain of salt. I mean seriously.. if you made tens of thousands of something as complex as a damn corvette, and even if you got say.. 500 complaints about some part of it, could it really be a problem? It's like some threads I see at ls1.com (where I'm at wayy too much). A current one says 'engine is pinging after lid (air intake) install'. Comon.. it just doesn't happen. Another one about Mac shortie headers a while back at ls1tech.com, two guys were claiming after they installed the shorties, they had rediculous oil consumption. ..... You've got to keep in mind there are always morons out there that do stupid **** and don't understand why their car messes up..

that being said, yea each car has its flaws.. but what really matters to you? Ls1s consume oil almost as bad as rx7s (almost). Is it a problem? Not as far as I'm concerned. Does it matter? Most likely not. Affect performance? No. Do some guys sell their ls1-powered cars because of it? Yes, I've seen it plenty of times because they feel the car is going to fall apart or something as a result of it.

Anyhow, that's the end of my rant.. I'd just like to end with I'll own a camaro, stang, vette, or anything of the like and deal with the squeaks (not everyone gets them), cheap 10 bolt, weak clutch (ls1), etc any freakin day of my life before I buy a 4 banger no power honduh so I feel safe from being stranded or having a small part break that I need to replace.. Lord forbid I ever work on my car and learn something

 

good post mtx

 

Don't all chevies? :sillylol:

 

oh man corvettes are horrible cars. i cant stand them

 

Come on guys, just because it's a vette doesnt mean it's going to be absolutely perfect. Every car will have it's complaints, but to me I really don't care what some yuppy has to say. The corvette will always be my dream car and one day I will have one. There are thousands and thousands of vettes out there and a this is only one. Like, Mtx said, I take this with a grain of salt.

 

if i had the money i still would want one!!
viper performance at like half the price.

 

I agree, MTX, I'm all about enduring a few annoyances in trade for blistering performance. I drove a 3rd gen Camaro with full-on race suspension and no heater or windshield wipers all thru college. That thing would shake my teeth out if I ran over an earthworm. And without a heater it would make condensation on the inside of the wind shield. I remember driving in the rain with my head out the window once. heheh, those were the good old days. But this thing ruins the whole driving experience. I bet that SS of your's is way more fun. I drove one once and had a grin for days.

-And I'm glad you mentioned oil comsumption. Many early C5s would burn more than a quart per 1000 miles. Luckily mine doesn't burn a drop.

-By the way, I forgot to mention these complaints. Driveline slack, won't go into gear sometimes, sometimes pops out of gear (and nearly breaks my wrist), clutch chatter coming out in first.... it goes on and on. I can't believe I have to double clutch and syncro shift a $45k car!

 

The first time I drove one was a 2001 black ram air TA, 6spd. I was hooked from then on

What clutch do you have? Does it pop out of gear in 3rd, or more gears?

 

after driving a ZO6 I must say the problem is not with the car its with the owners. This guy thought I was some sort of champ because I drove it better than him. he now goes around telling everyone how it will fry through all the gears and even chirp into 4th even though he cant do it for himself, you know what I mean?

 

doesn't anyone realize no car is the perfect car??? they've all got their problems

 

B4C- powershifting a car so that is chirps the tires in 4th doesn't mean you are a good driver. That just means you're slamming the clutch and tearing stuff up. If someone drove my car like that, I'd ask them to get out immediately. I remember doing stuff like that when I was 16, then I learned how to drive. A real hero can drive a car with more engine than tranny and make it all work while still going fast. That involves heel-toe downshifts, upshifting right when the revs are perfect, quick clutch work to preserve its life and overall driveline health while doing it fast. And I'm not talking about granny-shifting either. If you got hired by some race team and took the car out and blew the tranny on the first lap, they kick your butt all the way back to Lameville.

MTX- The Vette only pops out of first, but it's reluctant to go into any gear. Sometimes it binds up and won't go in at all. At that point it wouldn't matter if I used the clutch or not.

 

Speed racer,

Why the insults? You're absolutely wrong about the driving, though. If you want the best times on the dragstrip, you have to drive it like you hate it, and not worry about breaking it. You also need tires that won't break with any of the shifts, but that would surely abuse the tranny/drivetrain even more.

Chris

 

He was talking about road racing. Where your car has to last more than 15 seconds. You'd never powershift in a road race if you want to make it to the end. Drag racing is totally different, you do abusive things like burnouts and whatever.

I was driving my friend's 91 MR2 turbo, its got 180,000km on it and no rattles, no clutch chatter, 1st gear synchro is a bit worn but that's it. He paid $12k Canadian if I were to pay as much as it costs for a Vette I would expect it to work flawlessy. GM just has crappy quality control.

 

This has nothing to do with street racing or thirdgens.