Okay guys my friend is sellin his 87 gta (piece of crap) to get a 1990 or 91 eagel talon Tsi awd with 147,xxx miles, stock everything,5 speed, turbo might be goin but not to positive yet since he doesnt own the car yet. thing is he thinks its goin to be the best thing he has gotten and will blow my doors and my brothers and friends doors off.

he loves to dream and says he will dump 2k into it and be running 13's, now with his other trans am's he's had, all his "mods" he's tryed doin have blown up in his face and he's ended up sellin the car becuz its become to much for him. so he's gettin this talon becuz its easy to work on, pleanty of parts to get, "cheap to mod".

so how do you think ill do up against it? he says he can drive stick good but every car is different and he has had an auto his entire life and both v8's he's had have been about as fast as a well its hard to say but faster then a civic with a 5 speed is the best thing i can come up with.

on the street i have good traction on my street tires but on the track i need my slicks to pull consistiant 60's

but what do u guys think?

 

if the talon is in good shape i think he will rape you out of the hole or even with a roll. they arnt that slow.
edit. 323s dont help u to much out of the hole so i think he has u. if he knows how to drive

 

Well the car is probally falling apart. 1st gen DSM are 99% of the time beat to hell, worse then F-bodies sometimes.

If it has a 147xxx miles, it will probally have a weak tranny, and the engine is questionable. If that was my car, I would get tuneup, make sure turbo, engine, tranny, etc were in good shape. If they were in good shape I would get exhaust, downpipe, filter, boost controller, upgrade teh fuel system, new clutch, and then get a nice fmic. That would put a 5spd 1st gen AWD DSM into the 13s easy. But the car has to be able to hold up to the increased boost first. Most likely he will crank the boost up and the engine will blow up or he will need a new clutch bad.

 

he's never had an AWD car before let alone a 5 speed car, so i think he'd do what most kids do is bring up rpms and dump the clutch and either kill the tranny or snap a halfshaft.

im goin to be gettin 3.73 gears soon, dunno how soon but my gears need to be replaced though, they have been kicked up higher on the list of things to do.

edit: also the car has been owned by some college girl thats probably had it for a few yrs, probably either a handme down from the parents or just bought used.

also with the way my friend drives i will not be suprised if he blows the motor or tranny, he loves to beat on any car and doesnt care until something major really breaks.

 

DSMs are indeed cheap to mod, 2k will probably net him 12s if he does it Correctly (not buying high dollar HKS crap) There's a guy who spent $1k and ran mid 12s, granted he races professionally and it was a low mile car. 147k is pushing it for any engine. First thing he'll have to replace the timing belt and balance shaft belt, maybe remove the balance shafts if he's ambitious. Then replace the oil in the transaxle with some synchroshift and put some redline shockproof gear oil in the transfer case and rear end. New plugs and wires, NGK is good enough maybe get a step colder. Then he can do free mods, hack the airbox, maybe a hard intake pipe if he wants to spend the $70 from dejon. RNR sells a complete mandral bent turboback without provisions for a cat for around 450. Porting is free. 16g used is around $250. If he doesn't get supporting mods then he's going to blow it up in no time at all.
Er yea so it's cheap enough to go fast in dsms but if he beats on it I estimate it'll last about 2 weeks. The 90's transmission is rather weak so he'll blow that thing up before he even learns how to drive it. It's fun to launch awd though.
If it's fwd then he'll have big problems getting out of the hole when he mods it without suspension mods and you'll have no trouble beating him.

 

well what are u waiting for race him.
tell the seller if the car beats urs then he wil buy it if not ull go some where else

 

Tim, your brother showed me the site on the him bashing third gens...I hope steve gets own3d. If the all mighty carb cant do it, the TPI might have to come in!

 

90ish talons and eclipses around 150,000 start to run pretty bad. My friend had one and 4th gear died on him, and 5th was going, all the lights except the headlights died on it too. If you are racing him soon and his car is stock its prolly got around 190 horsepower? How much yours got? Also if he doesnt know how to drive stick hell prolly loose. Seems like hes talking too much trash, and needs a wooping LOL

Also it shows that if he cant keep a gta running then he obviously cant sink 2k to make the talon a 13 sec car or whatever.. It seems like hes talking alot more trash then he can back up. Race him and tell us who wins after you get it all sorted out.

Nate

 

Nate you hit it right on the head with this statement

''Also it shows that if he cant keep a gta running then he obviously cant sink 2k to make the talon a 13 sec car or whatever.. It seems like hes talking alot more trash then he can back up. Race him and tell us who wins after you get it all sorted out. "

becuz he trys doin his own work and always ends up screwing something up, no matter really what it is.


with my car ive estimated maybe 225-230 hp at the max, enless someone wants to be nice and can do a desktop dyno for me

 

IM me or PM me and ill do it!

 

I dont really know too much about weight. But if he races you. And the car is stock it might be a good race. talon TSIs have roughly 190 hp like i said. If no mods have been done to it. YOU have more horsepower then he does, but he has less weight. Maybe someone could estimate a race better then me here. Good luck

 

If the cars running good and he can drive your toast. But if he cant drive or like others have said, his high miles have killed the car, u have a chance.

 

he cant drive, and the car is in crap shape.

 

big can u do my 65 elcamino

 

I asume then u know him and u have seen it?

 

I do know him, and from what I hear from Tim(TimZ2882) and his brother, the car is falling apart.

and PM me your set up and ill do what i can. know that desktop dyno is not exactly that accurate.

 

well his Gta is fallen apart, he's tryin to sell it for $2800 so he can get this talon. but im sure it wont be long till the talon starts fallin apart.

 

well he's the numbers from the desk top dyno with all the mods i have right now.

max hp is around 4000rpms with 223hp with 317ft lbs of torque at 2000rpms.

i know once i get the 3.73 gears put in ill be quicker then my posted 1/4 times and with better traction.

 

Do the gears, get a new Torque converter, and change the cam. Steve will taste his foot, and the toejam he has.

BTW, thats about $700 in mods, im sure bang for the buck applies more to detroit iron than a half a motor and 4 drive wheels

 

he will prolly beat you...my friend has a tsi front wheel drive and it will beat my 305 TPI from the line or a roll...and thats with mad wheel spin on his part, turbo dsm's are mean little cars

 

what does your friend have done to his Tsi? becuz my friend has nothing done to it yet, he doesnt even have the car yet. he has to sell his car before he gets the talon, so if anyone buys his piece of crap gta, then he'll get the talon.

edit: also is ur 305 tpi 3rdgen stock?

 

The talon will be a low 15 high 14 second car assuming he car drive halfway decent. My money is on the AWD car if he can launch the thing.

 

Ok, i can see that if the dsm was in top shape... BUT

the car is falling apart
driver is horrid

Tim, you got him bud... Ill run with you guys if I ever get my rear end fixed.

 

Dude dont do it.
I've owned 3 diffenet ones I went to the track about 13 times and NONE of them ran slower then 13.5.
One ran 11. on stock tires
Only mod was a cheat 30 dollar exhaust and a .50 cent bleader valve to turn up the boost. You can run about 18psi on a without fuel mods.
Also note that the(1g) 90-94 Turbo years where the FASTEST Ever DSMS made. And where super easy to go fast.

They had a turbo that was twice as big as the 95-03
The stock 90-4 turbo could handle 380 horsepwoer.,
and they where a few hundred pounds lighter.
Those old ones are still Sought after buy racers!
They can run 12's with a good driver on Street tires!
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No rear wheel drive car comes close to it on the street.

My advise is dont race for money. For fun yes.

 

A 14B may be able to push out 380 HP, but the vast majority of them will swap over to a 16G with supporting mods.

Yeah, when you push the boost up on an older DSM, like the 90 that is being talked about, that has been beat to hell, you run the risk of some major problems. DSM get beat on almost as much as 3rd gens do, but 3rd gens can handle the abuse much better than DSM can.

Anyways, all these ppl telling you that you will lose dont seem to realize that it is a stock DSM. I know they are quick cars, and can be made very quick, but they are not the greatest car ever. I took a GSX 5spd with my 85 Iroc. I had an LT1 cam, exhaust, headers, L98 heads, cai and a few suspension mods. He didnt jump on me out of the hole, it was just a plain beating, I think by 65-70 I took him to about 1 1/2 cars and probally would have kept on pulling. Oh my, a mighty AWD DSM losing to a Camaro, worst off TPI, whats worse is the fact that it was a 305! DSM can be beaten, I beat quite a few with old Iroc, a few stock, and a few modded, so they arent invincible.

 

Of course the DSM car was beat.
ITS THE DRIVER THAT sucks.


Those DSM are hard to launch even by pros its almost impossable to launch it percfect every time.


Show you about the driver. I let my freind drive my AWD EAgle talon at the race track. (he said he could drive it better then me)
Hes used to his 6speed ls1,,,

Not a chance.

He ran a 18.8 Becasue he started slow and missed alot of shifts and shifted wrong.

Know when I drove the car I ran a 12.2

Also stock talons ran in the low 14s

So if you beat someone its more likle they talk more **** then pratice raceing..
Remember its all about the driver. If he just bought the car and doesnt know how to race.. He will lose. THere is no way he can drive it. It takes years to develope skills in dsms.

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I dont think is that hard to drive a DSM w/ AWD. Slip the clutch out at 3k or so, then shift at about 6500 or so and that should net some decent times. I have never seen a DSM run low 14s stock, maybe pushed off a cliff or pulled by another car, but stock there is no way.

You call into question the guys driving. My old Iroc was running with LT1s at about this time, so I dont think him being a great driver would have helped that much. Sure, he might have hole shotted me a little, but I would have reeled him in without much trouble.

 

I don't know if this is correct or not, but my cousin's girlfriend's sister bought a Talon not too long ago (duno if it was FWD or AWD) with a 5 speed, and coulda been a turbo...

It died not long after she got it because it was beat to a pulp. My cousin said that he did a little research on them (his girlfriend wanted one too) and he found out that they have a BIG problem of constantly blowing out head gaskets when the motors become 'middle-aged' (I apologize to all the old guys here, nothing meant by that )

So like I said, I dont know for sure if its true, but I've heard that they have issues with blowing out head gaskets. Now, if this guy can't even keep a GTA (with the bullet-proof SBC) running, how in the hell is he gonna change a head gasket?

 

I'd bet one of two things is gonna happen, if the race ever does come off, and I'd bet it won't, cuz nobody will give 2800 for a beat up GTA that someone can't fix right..

But, he'll either rev the pi$$ out of it, and fry his clutch when he dumps it,

or, he'll not give it enough, and bog off the line, and have to wait for the turbo to spool up again (if it has anything left of the seals, after that many miles).

Either way, keep up posted..

 

Well heres alittle update. His car (the gta) got hit out infront of his house on halloween night and well if he either i think gets or doesnt get what he's hoping for money wise from the insurence company, he's sellin the hood to his cuzin and ill be gettin the GTA for like $50, title, car, keys and its mine, ill fix it change interior and sell it hehehe for at the most $2500 obo, thats after interior swap, new paint job, and needs a new GTA rim, i might strip them and paint them black and polish the lip before selling

 

son of a..... i got dibs on the rear.

 

Al after i get done with it,im sellin the car as whole.

 

yes, i know this...

 

haha maybe hell get his turbo dsm afterall... But then again maybe hell beat the **** out of it, never fix it, and it too can get hit by a car. LOL

 

LOL i wont be suprised