Hey everyone im new to this site but i was just wondering. Who do you think would win a 89 Firebird Formula 350, auto. or a 95 Mustang GT 5 speed. They are both bone stock. Im thinking the GT might win but i have some faith in my car.

 

a stock 89 formula 350 turns 14.90's in the 1/4 and a stock 95 mustang GT should be running around a 15.40. So you should have him without to much trouble. Mustang come alive alot with just afew boltons so once he starts modding you might have some problems........Eric

 

as long as you dont spin to bad when launching, you should have this one

 

Alright, thanks alot for your input. This guy is my friend and hes a ford guy and im into GM so we always say we want to race but never get to it. He's not going to put anything on his car for a while, hes still having trouble paying off the car. I'm getting headers, flowmasters, and i want to get a new intake manifold. So I hope I can really beat him after that. I'll let you kno what happens if we race.

 

u got this one. let me guess though he thinks his car is the $hit because its a mustang GT...anyway good luck

 

those these are slow, you got him

 

Show that pony who has the real pony's

 

Haha yea he thinks his car is the fastest thing around hopefully i'll show him whats up. Also he thought a 98 mustang V6 would beat my car. So that kinda shows what he knows about third gens

 

If your cars runnin good you easily got him...its the cobras you gotta watch out for

 

I'd say you have this too, provided you catch traction, but a 95 cobra on the other hand would probably take you down. Best of luck to you.

 

My friend ran high 14's with his dead stock 95GT. With gears, exhaust, pulleys, and ET Streets he ran a 13.52@102

 

Me and him were going to race today, but his car broke down. Something about his harmonic balencer. Also a bunch of other stuff went wrong. So his cars in the shop rigth now but when it gets out were racing.

 

Ouch, that sucks, but you probably would have beat him. I have seen one L98 at the track and he went 14.8 with a catback. A 95 GT would probably be a very high 14 low 15 car.

 

My friend ran 15.5's with his completely stock 95 GT, powershifting the **** out of it the length of the track. Not impressed with the SN95 cars.

 

his car is 8 years old your car is14 years old that will make a dif a big one

 

Believable, elevation, driver, and other factors play a big role. That could be a 14.90 car in good weather, with a better driver, and good prepped track. Lots of factors, and whatnot.

 

like this formula ?

 

and this mustang ?

 

There is more than just one slow sn95 stang at my track. And its at 1400 feet, so he gets a 15.4 altitude corrected.

 

he wins

 

Thats what my Firebird looks like but his mustang looks differnt. It had more of a rectangle like headlights. He said his car stock pushes 295 Hp to the rear wheels, that seems like its not true. I dont kno for sure tho i kno nothing about mustangs.

 

IMO opinion, if the car is 14 years old, and was taking care of, it should run like it always did.

 

yea my car runs great. the engine and trans. was rebuilt 20K miles ago. I take care of also so it runs great.

 

Believeable, but altitude correcting is gay... If you feel the need to post what altitude you ran at, feel free, but NEVER correct. I run right near the same altitude, and you will NEVER see a corrected time from me. What did he really run (what does the slip say?) then? If it's any worse, he is a BAD driver.

 

WTF, you just stated:

I am merely stating it because I dont live in the rockies. He is not the only SN95 mustang in the 15's at my track, there are probably 5.

 

OK, and you told me that it was corrected, and anyone who corrects times is just embarrassed they cant drive. I would love to get behind the wheel of these 15 second cars!

 

you said his car was 100% stock right? then if thats the case, your friend is talking out of his a$$. i believe those cars had 225hp at the CRANK stock. RWHP is probably under 200
this seems like a best case scenario E/T from a bone stock 94 - 98 GT. if thats the case then you could say an equally skilled driver in a 350 TPI fbody will run low - mid 14s

 

The 94-95 is rated at 215hp, vs. the 205 for 93. 87-92 is 225. Ford changed there ratings in 93, but my 93 has no less power than the 87-92's.


Actually, alot of guys get high 14's stock with the 94-98's. BUT, it all depends on what stock gears they have too sometimes. The 96 and up could get 3.27 (became standard in all stangs in 99) but the 94-95 only had 2.73 or 3.08. My friends has over 100,000 miles...and rough at that. There is a big variation in the SN95's for some reason. Some are strong..some are dogs. They are aon the average slower than a foxbody. But if you can't run a mid 14 with a stock 5.0 (87-93) 5spd you need to hand the keys over!!

 

Actually I thought it was 225 for 87 and 88, and 215 for 89-93 because they added the massair. What I always was told.

 

No 225, till 1993 then 205, then 215 till 1995, then 225 in 1996!

 

The mass air didn't kill that much HP, maybe 3-5 hp max as I have read for actual Ford tests and what not. They changed to MAF, changed the cams slightly, air intake silencer(all the 86 up have them!) etc..etc. They "claimed" it added up to 20hp but that is a bunch of BS. In 93 they changed pistons, but that did not effect the HP at all, if anything it helped since the forged pistons of the 92 an older where heavier. The 87-88's respond better to basic mods due to the speed density leaning out the mixute after adding exhaust, removed silencer, bumped timing. The mass air system keeps the mixute richer even after the mods. The speed density system is not capable of adding the extra fuel for those mods. Anything after the normal bolt ons is too much for a speed density stang on the stock computer.

 

BTW..not many sources show it..but the auto equipped 87 up stangs have a more restrictive muffler design. Ford claims that is a 5hp difference.

 

Actually, the 96 and the 97 were still at 215hp. They did not rate them 225 until 98.

 

Oh it was 1998, ok I actually was going to check, but figured oh well, they werent much faster if at all. I am not an SN-95 fan, I love fox bodies.

 

The SN95 has an electric fan from the factory. He's making 200 hp at the rear wheels easy.

 

ya can you believe that crap..they ditch the 5.0 for a 4.6 with the same HP. Talk about upgrading..

 

They didnt Upgrade, till 1999... the 1994-5 werent bad, but the 1996+ were a joke. Fastest NA ones are in the mid 13s, unless they have headswaps, and then they are 12s, and thats about it!

 

true true..ohhh ya brian aren't you proud I bought a mustang

 

I handed a 94 gt rustang his *** in my 89 gta, he only kept with me through his 1st gear, then it was bye-bye rustang! Now mustangs would be way better cars if they didn't fall on there faces when you shift into 4th gear! I've driven, and owned many mustangs, but they all lack the same thing upper-end hp.

 

The good thing about the 4.6 is the block doesn't split in two when you get up to about 500 rwhp. I've heard stories of 5.0 blocks just busting from not being able to take it.

Well they suck in high end because they were built to take off. Fox bodies especially. My moms 90 5.0 LX would probably BEAT (not kill) my cousins 99 cobra to a certain distance. With a good fox body driver it would probably run the 1/8th in the same amount of time. But the 1/4...different story

 

I kno theres no way he had 295 hp stock. I mean my 350 TPI has what 240hp stock? I kno my cars older but it still seems like a 5.7 would beat his in HP and in tourqe. He said his had 345 and mine is like 330-360 or something im not sure. It doesnt make sense. Oh well when he gets out of the shop, we'll race and see what happens

 

regardless if it has an electric fan or not, i still dont see how a car rated at 215 crank hp can have over 200 RWHP easy.

tell me if im wrong:

215hp - 15% drivetrain loss through manual trans = 183 RWHP

even the 98s rating of 225hp falls short: 225 - 15% = 191 RWHP

 

You're absolutely right..put it this way. My friend's brother has a 95 5.0 GT and he has full exhaust with no cats,CAI,pulleys..minor bolt ons and he put down 210 RWHP and 300 RWtq..

 

damn alot of posts in one day. even if you take your car real well. if you ever race it hot rod it whatever you do even just driving it wears things down so what i am saying is if i had say 71 or somethin a vintage car that i drove everyday and i changed the oil plugs points etc. eventually i will need to do a tune up over haul rebuild etc.

 

Nice stang!!!

My dad dynoed with pulleys and a catback otherwise bone stock (factory wires, maybe even plugs) and the car made...

212/276

1991 LX rated at 225 hp!

 

the formula should get this one and be running better than a 14.8 too. an SN95 is basically a fox body with a few hundred pounds of weight added on making it slower by a few tenths. the only got worse with the first modular motor.

 

we did this very same race back when the celica bodied stangs came out for 94,the mustang lost BAAAAD!it was over at the 60' just got worse at the end another flawless victory for the formula he finally got the pony to run us down 1 pass he had a 150 shot and beet us:formula 13.91 to the n2o celica-stangs 13.76......then he detonated a piston so the clear victory goes to the normally aspirated formula :hail: :hail: to the chief!

 

Ya your dad's car is a fox body though and we know SN95's just aren't as cool so they won't make that kind of horse.

 

Actually, I have seen bigger numbers out of SN-95s on the dynoes. But they are pigs so at the track we all know what is better!

And he went 13.6 with a 150 shot, wow... that sucks!

 

It turns out the mustang is 94 does this make a big differnce?? I went for a ride in it toniht and it feels pretty fast. but he said is has 295 hp at the rear wheels. Im I wrong and this is true. I would just like to know please. We did end up doing some pretty fun burnouts and doughnuts. He just got some smog carp in his car so its slower then before. and he said that his car does 13's. Thats not true when its stock right?? Whatever i would love to beat him because he puts down third gen cars to much.