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Old Mar 10, 2004 | 05:34 AM
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how close to the LS1 am I? *UPDATE*

I dynoed with Cat-Back and some little stuff 251hp and 309lb.ft.

After that i added a Vortech S/C. according to their site i should have now about 330hp...

Is this realistic? how close to the LS1-engine should i be?
Any suggestions what my track-times could be?

Since we don't have a race track in Switzerland I can't just go and test...

Thanks alot

Pat

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Old Mar 10, 2004 | 08:18 AM
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u should see mid i would guess with traction. that will give a stocker LS1 a pretty good run.
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Old Mar 10, 2004 | 08:57 AM
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Yeah i'm guessing that you should probably give a stock LS1 a good run for his money.
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Old Mar 10, 2004 | 09:00 AM
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Yeah..LS1 with longtubes, airlid, and Borla made 327, So..Stock LS1 should be a no brainer
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Old Mar 10, 2004 | 01:02 PM
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I think you'll be right there
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Old Mar 10, 2004 | 01:44 PM
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Horsepower wise, very close if not better than a stock LS1.

Torque wise, you'd blow an LS1 away. Should be in the 430-450ish range. That's about 100 more than a stock LS1

Times would probably be low-mid 12's with traction. I ran a 12.1@111 on a 1.69 dynoing 318/455 at the wheels.

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Old Mar 10, 2004 | 02:13 PM
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204 to the wheels would be about a mid 14 with some traction. Add the SC on and you are probably 300+ to the wheels. This is good for easy low 13s on street rubber! You might want to make sure the trans and rear can handle that but you should have a stock LS1!
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Old Mar 10, 2004 | 04:19 PM
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ls1

I have an ls1!!and the best of the story is,i live in switzerland,so we absolutely can find out.should be interesting.where do you live in switzerland?im in the region zürich.if youre interested to race the ls1 z28,post it here.when its done,we can post the outgoing here.i have my money on the ls1.(3.73s,borla catback and lid).
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 01:32 AM
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Well this sould be interesting....
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 03:26 AM
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Re: ls1

Originally posted by gta on juice
I have an ls1!!and the best of the story is,i live in switzerland,so we absolutely can find out.should be interesting.where do you live in switzerland?im in the region zürich.
Yeah, as soon as the snow is away... Damn couldnt belive my eyes this morning!

Hey, then i'm close to you. I'm from Dietikon.
Are you on camaro.ch from time to time?

OK, we keep in touch for a race-date.

see ya
Pat
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 03:59 AM
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 05:24 AM
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camaro vs. camaro

Yeah that damn snow.This is absolutely unusual for march.but next week it should be warmer.till then i should get my c3 vette,too.and another buddie with a 01 viper could join too.a viper,ls1 z28,your thirdgen and a c3 should have alot of fun around bern-and zürichstrasse.we can meet at usa autos in schlieren,thats 5min from my home.post it here,when youre ready
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 06:04 AM
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Uhh, a viper?

then we are both in serious trouble...
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Old Mar 11, 2004 | 05:39 PM
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Viper?Big trouble? my previous car white 5.7gta was able to run dead even with him.then again,i was sprayin 180shot on my gta. If he didnt shift very good i was able to gain a carlenght.Lots of people on this forum wouldnt believe that,but when we meet,there will be guys which have witnessed those races and will prove you that im not bsing.the z28 has also installed the big blue bottle(100shot).should have been a suprise for you ,but now its public..the z28 runs dead even with that viper,too.If you hang around in Zürich,youve seen that viper for sure.01model,black,convertible with hardtop and veeery loud.straight thru exhaust,no cats.
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Old Mar 24, 2004 | 03:13 PM
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Old Mar 25, 2004 | 11:12 AM
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race

i am ready.swisscheese didnt answer anymore.in about 2 weeks the z28 gets stage 2 heads,cam,headers.and maybee a powerdyne supercharger.so if you want to know how your car does against a STOCK ls1,its about time!!and in 2weeks my 80vette will be ready(mild cam,trickflow cnc heads)will be ready,too.with the vette,it could be close.i am waiting.PSn the g-tech,the z28 went 13.4 at 106 n/a and on the 100shot it went 12.5 at 117.mostly 2.1 60`ft times.nothing crazy.greets
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Old Mar 25, 2004 | 11:45 AM
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Re: race

Originally posted by gta on juice
i am ready.swisscheese didnt answer anymore.in about 2 weeks the z28 gets stage 2 heads,cam,headers.and maybee a powerdyne supercharger.so if you want to know how your car does against a STOCK ls1,its about time!!and in 2weeks my 80vette will be ready(mild cam,trickflow cnc heads)will be ready,too.with the vette,it could be close.i am waiting.PSn the g-tech,the z28 went 13.4 at 106 n/a and on the 100shot it went 12.5 at 117.mostly 2.1 60`ft times.nothing crazy.greets
Damn, you are one crazy guy. nice mods!!!

OK, as far as I've seen the weather should be better in the next few days. What about beginning of the next week? Where should we meet?
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Old Mar 25, 2004 | 01:29 PM
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Thank you, thank you.

I'd like to think that I rekindled the flame.

Just don't be stupid, fellas. Have a safe race, and be sure to let us know all the details.
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Old Mar 26, 2004 | 08:52 AM
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hello swisscheese.we can meet monday or so at schlieren industy zone or so.but if you can wait til 2.of april i can take out even my corvette.for me it doesnt matter.i received your email,send me another email with your handynr,so i can call you.if you want to you can gtech your car too.
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Old Mar 27, 2004 | 05:59 AM
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Originally posted by gta on juice
hello swisscheese.we can meet monday or so at schlieren industy zone or so.but if you can wait til 2.of april i can take out even my corvette.for me it doesnt matter.i received your email,send me another email with your handynr,so i can call you.if you want to you can gtech your car too.
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Old Mar 27, 2004 | 01:01 PM
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i will take my vidcam to the race.going to post the vid here.it will be fun.maybe even we go out tonight..
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Old Mar 27, 2004 | 05:33 PM
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Hurry up and race, suspense is killin me

Lookin forward to seein the vid
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Old Mar 29, 2004 | 08:08 AM
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Old Mar 29, 2004 | 09:55 PM
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not bad for an old car, but...

So we finally meet last night!
We raced different times, from a stop and from a roll.
From a stop I had a hard time keeping up since his car is an auto.
From a roll we figured out that when i had it at 3k rpm I was even with him until i had to shift.
gta on juice did some vids and hopefully will post it soon along with some detailed infos.
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Old Mar 30, 2004 | 02:54 AM
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first of all,i have to say pat has an awesome looking car.veeery nice 3rd gen.the sound of the supercharger is very cool.hes got alot of looks in the city..ok,now about the race.from a dig,the ls1 with its 3.73gears and auto trans came out of the hole faster than the 305tpi with 2.73s(my guess)manual trans,which is very hard to launch.but the moment where the 3rdgen hit 3krpm,they are even,performance wise.then comes the shift,the tpi falls way back down in the rpms,whereas the ls1 revs up quicker and never falls beyond 3k rpms between shifts.thats the difference.performance wise,they are about the same.the ls1 z28 has just a better setup.if pat put other gears and headers in his car,he should kill that one with ease.going to post one or two vids as soon as possible.
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Old Mar 31, 2004 | 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by gta on juice
first of all,i have to say pat has an awesome looking car.veeery nice 3rd gen.the sound of the supercharger is very cool.hes got alot of looks in the city.
Thanks for the compliment!

what about the vids? how's the quality?

Hope you have em up soon

Greets
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Old Mar 31, 2004 | 10:00 AM
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what about the vids? how's the quality?

Hope you have em up soon
Same here.
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Old Mar 31, 2004 | 01:07 PM
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VIDS VIDS VIDS
I'm dyin here!!!
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Old Mar 31, 2004 | 04:11 PM
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videos coming up soon.quality is good.pat,are you ready to go against the vette on monday?i dont know how to post the vids,but i will find out with my friend.i hope they will be online before sunday.
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Old Apr 18, 2004 | 02:17 PM
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Were these vids ever posted??
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Old Apr 21, 2004 | 10:35 AM
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Were these vids ever posted??

Yeah...I wanna see
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Old Apr 21, 2004 | 10:38 AM
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Yeah...I wanna see
I think it's safe to say that we all do.
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Old Apr 22, 2004 | 01:29 AM
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I've been busy the last time, but I'm gonna ask gta on juice what happened.
So I hope we will see these vids soon.

Pat
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Old Apr 29, 2004 | 11:29 PM
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This race never happened!



















Post the videos!
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Old May 1, 2004 | 08:15 AM
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oh man.sorry guys,that race DID happen,i totally forgot to post it.going to post it on monday.sorry to all.i will even meet pat next week with my sprayed 383 80s vette and will post that vid,too.
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Old May 1, 2004 | 09:55 AM
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Awesome, now that's what I like to hear ...

Great way to start the week.
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Old May 4, 2004 | 10:07 PM
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Hmm, monday has come and gone...........AND STILL NO VIDS!!! Please I'm begging you :hail: :hail:
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Old May 5, 2004 | 05:29 AM
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aww man come on we need vids!!
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Old May 5, 2004 | 02:13 PM
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Yeah I sure would like to see the race as well.
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Old May 5, 2004 | 05:13 PM
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we've all been duped!


GTA on juice is quite a slacker

come on dude, it'll take like 10 minutes, just get them on here....!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old May 5, 2004 | 10:35 PM
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correct me if im wrong but i was reading somewhere that stock LS1 cars were putting 320 ponys to the rear wheels?? maybe just a misprint in the magazine but i swore thats what it said


just wondering if it was true cause GM rates em at like 325 at the flywheel
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Old May 5, 2004 | 10:39 PM
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correct me if im wrong but i was reading somewhere that stock LS1 cars were putting 320 ponys to the rear wheels?? maybe just a misprint in the magazine but i swore thats what it said


just wondering if it was true cause GM rates em at like 325 at the flywheel
I trap at 109...

so i would say i'm somewhere in the 320+ to the wheels range...with just a cutout
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Old May 7, 2004 | 05:26 AM
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correct me if im wrong but i was reading somewhere that stock LS1 cars were putting 320 ponys to the rear wheels?? maybe just a misprint in the magazine but i swore thats what it said


just wondering if it was true cause GM rates em at like 325 at the flywheel

It's true for some cars, esp m6's since an auto eats more hp.
Depending on the dyno and weather also. My car made 307hp when new with just a lid/cutout and it's an auto.
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Old May 7, 2004 | 07:09 AM
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send me the video's and I will host them. cmon now. everyone is beggin and stuff....

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on email, admin@sicracing.com
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Old May 7, 2004 | 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by prOject-IrOc
send me the video's and I will host them. cmon now. everyone is beggin and stuff....

on aim, dEfUs3d
on yahoo, sjoshuae
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thank you!! :hail:
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Old May 9, 2004 | 08:52 PM
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You might as well quit begging, He's never going to post them!!!
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most third gens are anywher from 200 to 300 lbs lighter than a 4th gen depending on options I droped a stock lt1 into my 91 rs with headers and chip and the last time I hit the track I ran even with a 02 vette
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most third gens are anywher from 200 to 300 lbs lighter than a 4th gen depending on options I droped a stock lt1 into my 91 rs with headers and chip and the last time I hit the track I ran even with a 02 vette
That's a driver error

An LT1 w/ headers and chip in a 1991 Camaro RS, WILL NOT run neven with a 2002 Vette.......Unless it's a driver error and the guy driving the vette has no idea what he's doing....

That vette has every advantage over your set-up (weight, power, suspension, etc, etc)

My LS1 w/ custom exhaust(stock manifolds) and a cold air intake put nearly 308 HP to the wheels (T56), with the nitrous.....373 HP to the wheels....
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Old May 18, 2004 | 10:29 PM
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That's a driver error

Correct but it can be done with a poor driver like you mentioned. A guy here in our local club has a stock internal LT1 in his 89 roc and he clicked off a 12.9. BTW, LT1's don't have a chip. Only the 93 models did. But if you can't beat um join em. Just like Flyin did. He has the best of both worlds now
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Correct but it can be done with a poor driver like you mentioned. A guy here in our local club has a stock internal LT1 in his 89 roc and he clicked off a 12.9. BTW, LT1's don't have a chip. Only the 93 models did. But if you can't beat um join em. Just like Flyin did. He has the best of both worlds now
at how many MPH
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