Aredross

Hey I was just wondering what chance my 90 RS 305 TBI(doesent get much worse than that well except for the 2.8 I had before but it had a date with some concrete on an Interstate off ramp FUN) would have against a 3000GT cause thats the car my little brother wants and you know I cant let him beat me overall hes a pretty bad driver all he knows how to do is push the gas pedal so umm what are the different engine setups on those and who would win?

and also any one looked at those later model mustangs V6's I mean cause my friends sister has one and I was driving next to her and umm I past her and then outa no where she blows past me then I kicked it into overdrive and left her like bat out of hell anyone know if that engine is that good or did she just floor it and use everything it had? Also my 305 has 170,000 miles on it

ljnowell

what was that like 3 instances of punctuation in two paragraphs? That hurt my head. 170K on a 305TBI, you are gonna get beat by most things would be my guess.

1981z28

well seeing how the 1999 3000 gt is faster then the 1999 ss camaro, yea u have no chance at all.


1999 Mitsubishi 3000GT Base Price $25,450 As Tested $44,600. The Mitsubishi 3000GT
Engine : V6, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine AWD
Displacement : 2,972 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 18 mpg
highway - 24 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent upper and lower A-arms
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs

Horsepower : 320 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 315 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm
Redline : 7000 rpm

Top speed : 155 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 5.0 sec.
0-¼ mile : 13.5 sec @ 105.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 125 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.90 g

Curb Weight : 3760 lbs(coupe), 3995 lbs(Spyder)
Overall length : 180.7 in.
Wheelbase : 97.2 in.
Overall Width : 72.4 in.
Height : 50.6 in.(coupe), 49.3 lbs(Spyder)




what year 3000gt ??????????

1981z28

190 hp V6 225ft.lbs and its a girls car so it has not been doged and its newer so it has low milege. vs 90 RS M5,A4 LO3 V8 9.3:1 5.0 (305) 170@4000 255@2400 TBI 3.08 ---- 2.73 ----

maybe ,maybe not

iroc-ice

I beat v6 rustangs all the time. She must have floored it. And if your brother gets any year 3000gt thats a tt (twin turbo) vr-4, you better look into upgrades or a new engine.

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

Shifted into overdrive and blew by her A stock 3000GT is not much of a threat but should beat you from a roll. A VR4 will work you over pretty good anyway you look at it. Stock VR4's are not faster than LS1 cars. Don't believe what the mags tell you. Read a few stories over on camz28 and ls1.com to varify.

1981z28

(Stock VR4's are not faster than LS1 cars.)
well they are on paper they should be because the cost about 12,000 more and it says they can do 0-60 in 5.0 flat and 1\4 mile of 13.5

the 1999 ss camaro 0-60 5.1 1\4 mile 13.7 and that the ss the z28 has a ls1 to and its 0-60 5.4secs and 1\4 13.9 i think not sure as far as the 1\4mile on the z28

i think u may be wright imports are fast on paper but not on the streets hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa:lala: :lala: :lala: :lala:

Aredross

You know I really dont care

How do you mean that? uhhh it wasnt a race we were just screwing around

He wont if he gets one at all hell get the cheepest one he can find

And that lady driven comment way off she's tuffer on that car than I am on mine Sigh why the hell are our old engine so sucky well I actually know why

and oh yeah you all ever heard of a Vortech supergharged LT1/LS1

iroc-ice

How cheap is cheap. I've seen some vr-4 for the same price as some none vr-4 3000gt's. Lets hope he doesn't get lucky.

ShiftyCapone

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LS1 cars should run much faster than that with a driver with any skill. Those numbers posted are more in the LT1 range. You reall'y cannot go by what the mags publish. SS and Z's are the same car when ET's are concered. The LS1 powerband is much broader than the VR4.

You maid it sound like you were racing and that you used OD as a performance gear.

1981z28

(why the hell are our old engine so sucky well I actually know why ) they dont

old engines rule old 350s 400 small blocks 454s 427s 426 hemi 428pi 502 .






the newest motor i got is from 1974 i got a 327 big journal turned into a 383 from 1968 and 350 from 1970

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

um, yeah ok...maybe with a pro driver in the 3KGT and my 6 year old cousin driving the SS...

ljnowell

Oooh, that hurt. Almost as much as your drivel.

Orr89RocZ

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I held my ground well against a stealth twin turbo with my stock L98. Pretty much the same car as 3000gt VR4. I got outrun pretty bad by 2000ish WS6 trans am that I was chasing around a curvy back road.

So based on my experience a VR4 or TT stealth will run either low 14's or may get into high 13's IF driven well. Snowball chance in hell that a stock VR4 with walk an SS or WS6 LS1 car as long as drivers are equal.

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

Exactly. You have to beat the **** out of the car on the launch to pull good times out of them...anyone that doesn't believe me go to the track and see what people are pulling out of stock ones....

Aredross

hmmm I didnt mean to. I dont race for several reasons NO.1 Im running a 305. TBI and theres so many imports around here who can beat me I would give our cars a bad name NO.2 I couldnt afford the tickets Im only 18 NO.3 Montgomery drivers are among the worst in the friggen world and I dont want to die.

If I did race my brother it would be in a controled eviroment after I sweep the area for police.

And oh yeah I saw a complete moron today I was parked on the side of the road checking my engine for some random reason then some idiot in a late model BMW beamer is that what theyre called hmm whatever after its been pouring rain all afternoon turns a corner at about 30 MPH spins out once and then spins out again trying to straighten up and even after this to try and save face this idot speeds off down the road as fast as he could and I guess thats my worthless drivel for today Ya know I would call that guy an *** but I wont

1981z28

(um, yeah ok...maybe with a pro driver in the 3KGT and my 6 year old cousin driving the SS...)


wow thats funny.



on paper it is faster maybe not on the street but on paper its track test blows away the 1999 ss camaro. i dont drive a 3000gt or a 1999 ss camaro . i dont know i only have a 1981 z28 and a 1982 base camaro with a 400 small block in it .both have stomp a mudd hole in many imports includeing 3000gt and i beat my pals 1997 ss camaro. but i still dont think a 305 tbi will stand a chance a 305 tpi yea i put money on that but not a tbi.

25thmustang

If its a base model 3000GT maybe, not a VR4, and as far as the Z28 or LS1 debate, Fbodies usually run faster than people test them! Very underrated!

FLYNLOW92rs

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Make the race as short as possible, you'll pull off the line, but he'll catch back up, just make the race short and you'll win........

nick418

I heard Those 1991 3000GT SLs were a joke. I dont kno if a 305tbi would take it down tho

iroc-ice

3000gt and stealths are heavy *** cars. Maybe thats why on paper they seem faster then the SS. Just a a guess.

Orr89RocZ

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http://www.import-heaven.net/specs_m...00gt_vr4.shtml

They say VR4 is 13.9 at 98mph in 1/4.
I heard as low as 13.7s at 100+ but that depends on condition of car and driver.

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

That is LT1 territory.

90RS305

A guy I know owns a 2000 (I think) 3000GT, without the TT, and it's a stick. We lined up, and by the time you could say "Antidisastablishmentarianism," his headlights were nothing more than a speck in my rear-view. My car was stock, about 98,000 on the ticker, and the crappiest H-rated tires on the market... Those things are slow...

Bruce (90RS305)

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

I didn't think anyone else knew that word

90RS305

Been one of my favorite words since I knew how to spell

25thmustang

I hope this is a joke???

nick418

it has to be, but anything can happen...........

pasky

Calm down. Its one thing if you can't actually read the post like some i've seen. But you can get the general idea of what this guy is saying.

As far as the 3000 GT being as fast as a LS1 f-body because it costs 12K more..................HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~

I repeat:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

camaro-mayhem

if its a vr4 the maro will lose assuming the vr4 is in good shape.

base 3kgt and sl also have different motors. i didnt read most of this thread because it seemed like a lot of arguing.so if its been posted sorry

13.5 out of a stock vr4 is rare most are in the high 13's. the sl motor has 222hp or so and prolly not much more tq. I wouldnt be surprised if you lost to an sl if your bro can drive. Base models are SOHC motors and suck.

Depending on the year vr4 they had about 20hp difference from 1993 or 1994 i think, but only cuz the boost got turned up from the factory.

they stopped making 3kgt's in 1999.

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

False. VR4's are heavier and have a weaker power band than an LS1 car. If they run high 13's on a good day than an LS1 will work it over even with the worst driver. VR4's are in LT1 territory.

pasky

I don't know, my cousin is pretty horrible, 00 Trans am....14.2 on the 1/4 .

camaro-mayhem

im comparing it to the tbi turdgen.

ShiftyCapone

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I gottcha.

90RS305

No joke. And believe me be I'm not one to go around bragging every time I beat someone either. He even let me drive the thing later that day and it sucked. I guess it had to be a 1999 (if that was the last year) cuz' it was one of the later models. I dunno, couldn't tell ya. Don't forget though I DID say it was NOT the twin-turbo model...

camaro-mayhem

what kind of spoiler did it have bruce? 1999 was the only year to get the huge wing that doesnt have any function.

ShiftyCapone

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90RS305 had clicked off low 15 sec passes. A heavy stock non-turbo 3000gt will have a hard time besting that. Just look how pathetic non turbo supras are.

fly89gta

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Yeah the N/A cars like that are junk.

iroc-ice

Well if this helps us settle this. I just raced a sl 3000gt yesterday (july4). Sorry don't know the year, but it was a old one. Him and his buddy looked at me and laughed cause my car says RS. I took offensive to that. When the light turned green we both took off. After that, lets just say I had to wait a few seconds for him to pull up again at the next light. And if your wondering my car is a stock LO3 except for the dynomax cat-back with no cat.

Ray D.

1981z28

3000gt are only faster on paper .

1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL 8.5 16.4
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 13.8
1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.8 14.3
1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 14.0
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.7 14.2
1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.4 13.5
1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8 13.6



lt1s of doooooommmm :hail: :hail:


1993 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 6.3 14.8
1994 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.8 14.1
1995 Pontiac SLP Firehawk 5.3 13.9
1995 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.7 15.1
1995 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 5.6 14.0
1996 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.8 14.3






more lt1s
:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:



1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8



they r faster on paper maybe not on the street or on the track but on paper yea. this is y i dont like imports they say they can do stuff and run times that they cant. or at least they cant after 10,000 miles all the power goes bye bye.

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

Why are you even posting magazine times, they're pointless.

1981z28

came from the companys gm ,ford,etc these are factory specs thats y i listed them

rx7speed

the 99+ mustangs are a mid to low 15 second car if driven right
better then a stock TBI

now if you are talking about the 98 or older V6 mustangs that is another story



as far as teh 3000GT saying if you race one your going to get beat

that is like saying if you race a V6 firebird your going to win
what if the person is driving a turbo powered firebird

there are a few different N/A versions of the 3kGT that run anywhere from low 15's to high 16's

rx7speed

if you look at the mags they also said the Z06 with the 385hp motor was only running 13 flat or so when they are good for more then that

the Z28 has been known to run low 13's stock
even heard of ONE guy running a 12.8 STOCK
mags aren't the greatest for what a car can or can not do

rx7speed

if it is a VR4 then chances are that he will not get the lauch or catch up

AWD does wonders for the launch and part of the reason the VR4 might be able to pull decent numbers on paper

genearlly AWD cars are easier to launch then a standard RWD or FWD car

iroc-ice

I was talking about 98 and older. I should have stated that. My bad.

camaro-mayhem

the sl's and base models dont weight that much. around as much as a turdgen (probably less). Thats why lots of people have started to take interests in SL's, DOHC v6 and a growing aftermarket.

VR4's are complete pigs thanks to things like all wheel steering, active aero wings, awd, things like that.

iroc-ice

Quite a vew sl stealths and 3000gt's in my area.

BadBowtie88

Mag times = My 3 yr old nephew can drive better than these guys can. They are the only ones in the world that can put a stock LS1 F-body into the 14's.(well, maybe not) I mean give me a break. I saw a guy(yes, in person) run 12.97 with NOTHING done to his '99 Z. How's that for paper information? And I do believe they quit making turbo 3000gt's in '97 or '98 can't remember which. In any case, anything can happen on the street, we all know this for a fact. Even at the track for that matter. So go find one, race it with a good driver, and find out...

1981z28

(My 3 yr old nephew can drive better than these guys can. They are the only ones in the world that can put a stock LS1 F-body into the 14's.(well, maybe not) I mean give me a break. I saw a guy(yes, in person) run 12.97 with NOTHING done to his '99 Z. How's that for paper information? And I do believe they quit making turbo 3000gt's in '97 or '98 can't remember which. In any case, anything can happen on the street, we all know this for a fact. Even at the track for that matter. So go find one, race it with a good driver, and find out...)



does everyone here just pick what part of my post to read ????
i have said many times that yes gm muscle cars factory stats are under and that the 3000gts are only faster on paper.