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Old Jul 12, 2004 | 11:39 PM
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Lowly V6 VS. Fox GT Vert

I was out cruising (actually looking for someone to run from a roll, just got new goodies), and I come up to a redlight on a 6 lane Farm ROad behind a FOx Body GT stang. The light goes green and the driver hesitates for a few seconds so I gently go around... ANyhow, There was another red light about 100 yards ahead so I get into the lane beside this Stang (and open the dumps ). The driver guns it and then slows down for the light, a little too late because it goes green just as he's stopping. Anyhow I ease along and wait for the car to come up beside me and just when the cars off my 1/4 panel, he guns it gets about half of his body ahead of me when the tranny finnally downshifts and I start to pull away at a not so gentle stride. I slowed down after I got about a car space between us then he flys by (going maybe 55 in the 45.) and stops at yet ANOTHER light at a turn onto a two lane road (one way). I look over and it wasn't a HE but a SHE, pretty good looking older lady. Light goes green and she guns it through the underpass and turns (as I do the same :P) We get next to each other goin about 25-30 and I hear her downshift so we go again, I walked her ever so violently (ok so I only put about 1 car between us, but I didn't want to speed too much). I continued on my merry way after that (she turned off about 2 mins later). I asume the car was stock, the exhaust sounded stock. Still a good kill, too bad it was a woman driving (at least she raced!)
Old Jul 12, 2004 | 11:56 PM
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Those cars are good for high 14s to low 15s. My friends ran a 14.8 in stock trim. No way you beat that car. Maybe it was a v6.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 12:51 AM
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They didn't come with V6's, and my car isn't exactly slow (not now anyway).
I am running a modded 3.4 Motor froma 4thgen, with a cam, hedders and some other things. A 3.4 in stock trim runs 16's, mine runs a bit faster I think.

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Those cars are good for high 14s to low 15s. My friends ran a 14.8 in stock trim. No way you beat that car. Maybe it was a v6.
Do your homework, fbod is one of the few v6 cars around here with a bit of muscle. Certainly not blinding fast, but definatly not slow.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 01:09 AM
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It was a woman driver, what do you want.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 01:32 AM
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It was a woman driver, what do you want.
ROFL ! HAHAHAHAHA, Right! A V8 car is a V8 car right Brobert!
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 07:31 AM
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I honestly beat my cousin in my 3.1 Z24 when he had a 90 GT auto stang! My Z24 was also auto(much slower than the 5 speed 3.1 in the cavalier!). Not like I had ten cars on him, but I stayed about one car ahead the whole time.....his car was a dog!! And the race was from a stop to about 160 KM/H (100 MPH).
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 08:42 AM
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You would be amazed at what a bad driver would do to a car, if she cant shift and cant drive, the 3.4 could win. Dont expect it to be the norm, but definately could happen!
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 09:14 AM
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You would be amazed at what a bad driver would do to a car, if she cant shift and cant drive, the 3.4 could win. Dont expect it to be the norm, but definately could happen!
And females most often dont take care of their cars. I see them all the time never get their car tuned up or even check the oil.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 11:44 AM
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I still dont believe it.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 12:07 PM
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i still dont believe it.

It can happen, anything can. For one it was a woman driving it! Com on, of ourse hes gonna win good kill!
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 12:09 PM
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I still dont believe it.
Why not?

There's a very good chance the GT was a stock automatic car. Most women who drive Mustangs go with the auto. A stock 5.0 GT auto trans car with an average driver would be a mid 15 second car at best. Stick a 3.4L in a 3rd gen, thats lighter than the 4th gen, throw some decent mods on it (cam, headers, exhaust, etc etc) and 1 car length lead is entirely possible.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen 5.0s get beaten by V6 equipped F-bodies. Rarely a 3.4L, but still V6s
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 12:56 PM
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You know, not all women dont know how to drive. My girlfriend could probably take half the people here.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 01:00 PM
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You know, not all women dont know how to drive. My girlfriend could probably take half the people here.

Tell her to bring it on : p
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 02:25 PM
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You know, not all women dont know how to drive. My girlfriend could probably take half the people here.
Funny you say that, mine ran 14.0
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Don't believe it... how about I refer you to a little video of F-Bod running an LS1 at the track..

http://www.netburnr.com/fbodtrekvsinsaniac.wmv

now, the guy in the LS1 has had the car for about 3 weeks. His only mods are a lid and exhaust.

F-Bod's car is not slow. This wasn't his fastest run either.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 02:39 PM
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sorry, I forgot, V6's are so much faster than V8's....
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by ljnowell
sorry, I forgot, V6's are so much faster than V8's....
Its okay....we know the truth hurts.

Seriously, Fbod has a pretty quick car. He is in 305 TPI terriotory.

Besides, the mustang was a vert, an auto, and well, lost.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 02:52 PM
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He is deffinitely in 305TPI territory..

He's spanked L03's, they aren't even much of a race. I've seen him beat an L03 w/ a TPI swap. He can take most imports out there that are N/A, and some turbo ones.

ljnowell just can't get it through his head that it doesn't matter how many cylinders you have, its just how fast your car is.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 03:07 PM
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Wow, lo3's. 305TPI, NO WAY, that is incredible. Pretty much ready for the salt flats now. After all though, I guess its good racing. If you beat it, good kill.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 03:10 PM
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Nice video, BTW. Doesnt look like the guy was trying a whole hella lot though.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by ljnowell
Nice video, BTW. Doesnt look like the guy was trying a whole hella lot though.
Looks like he was to me. You realize LS1's make power up top?
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 03:25 PM
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Was that a 10.14 in the eighth I saw on the clock there. Wow thats really good for a v6. Good job man. I wish I had been there to see that this weekend, but I couldnt get my car to run well enough to make the 30 min drive out to the park and then another to the track. I heard you guys had a good time though and hopefully I will make it to the next meet.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 03:34 PM
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yes i realize that
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 04:45 PM
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1/8 to 1/4:
http://www.tciauto.com/tech_info/calculators.htm#3

10.14 = 15.8
9.05 = 14.1 (same time my cousin runs in his 00 trans am, )

Not bad, i'd say thats 305 TPI territory .
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WOW...

One car lost one car won, who cares...
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Originally posted by 25thmustang
WOW...

One car lost one car won, who cares...
i agree, why doesnt everyone shut up, and lets face the fact, a Puny V6 third gen beated up on a 5.0 or 4.9 or whatever the hell it is
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*shrug* don't know why you guys get annoyed.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 09:21 PM
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Damn, some people live in a small world. I used to think a 4 Cylinder thirdgen couldn't be fast, until an engine builder told me of a 600 hp Iron Duke he built :O. Open up your minds non-believers , there are fast motors of every kind out there....
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Originally posted by FbodTrek
They didn't come with V6's, and my car isn't exactly slow (not now anyway).
I am running a modded 3.4 Motor froma 4thgen, with a cam, hedders and some other things. A 3.4 in stock trim runs 16's, mine runs a bit faster I think.
The LX came with a 3.8 v6 and I know guys with dual pipes and GT badges so don't be so sure it was a v8. Not trying to get you upset but you never know.
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 11:08 PM
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The LX came with a 3.8 v6 and I know guys with dual pipes and GT badges so don't be so sure it was a v8. Not trying to get you upset but you never know.
The FOX body came with a V6??? I was told only a 302 0r 2.3L I know the newer ones have V6's, I know whata V8 sounds like though
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The fox body is still made now. the platform used now is a modified version of the fox platform.The 2005 will have a new platform. so the one you raced was a 87 - 93. Those were even lighter than the one I thought you were talking about. Now I realy think this is
Old Jul 13, 2004 | 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by FbodTrek
They didn't come with V6's, and my car isn't exactly slow (not now anyway).
I am running a modded 3.4 Motor froma 4thgen, with a cam, hedders and some other things. A 3.4 in stock trim runs 16's, mine runs a bit faster I think.

your right they came with inline sixes and the svo was a turbo 4cyl i had an 86 4cyl that had the turbo ripped out
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The fox body is still made now. the platform used now is a modified version of the fox platform.The 2005 will have a new platform. so the one you raced was a 87 - 93. Those were even lighter than the one I thought you were talking about. Now I realy think this is
I wanna run your LG4 Put my little puny motor in its place, please. :lala:
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Some fox bodies had V6s (We OWN one as well) but that ended in 1986, and from 1987-1993 the only options were the 2.3 or the 5.0!
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L03s are slow?????? Mines pretty damn quick i can beat my friends 5.7 iroc. Oh yeah mine ran a 14.9 @92mph with an LT-1 cam and headers w/stock exhaust. Im in the 350 TPI territory. Dont EVER underestimate a 305 tbi!!! Sure maybe mine is a factory freak BUT i know if i have one that there is more out there.
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Hey now, Im running solid 10.3's right now in the 1/8th mile. I raced a stock 350TPI IROC and I was catching up, my nose at the middle of his door when we crossed, all mine has is ACCEL ignition, open element breather, Flowmaster 80 Series muffler, Smog delete, and my fan on a switch. Im running Mastercrap Avenger Series 245/60/R16 all the way around, and my main problem is traction off the line, cause I seem to eat rubber if I get on my convertor higher than 1600RPM. Thats it, though, nothing else, 93 octane gas.. I havent even went to a cam, bigger piepes than my puny stock 2 1/4 setup, no headers, and no intake. I think Im goin pretty fast for a 92 LO3. If I decide to get serious and throw some money under the hood, into cam, exhaust, and intake work, then Ill be deep into the 9's (1/8th mile, of course).
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correct me if i am wrong, but a vert weighs more then say a hatch or a notch back gt? so thats yet another atvantage for the 3rd gen.
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youre going to sit and talk to me about traction?!?!?! I am running my 1996 s-10 15" wheels with 205 60 R15s. You have 40mm of rubber on me. I ran a 9.4 1/8th i think. I spin all of the way through the 60'. My 60' is a *****Y 2.3-2.4 no matter of how long the burnout. i was running a 10.0 1/8th and getting a 15.6 so i would bet all of the tea in china that youre not even pulling a 16.0. There must have been something wrong with his iroc because my buddys has the 2.7* 9 bolt and i beat him by a door. His car ran a 15.1.
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Originally posted by HotTA
The LX came with a 3.8 v6 and I know guys with dual pipes and GT badges so don't be so sure it was a v8. Not trying to get you upset but you never know.
Learn about the Fox stang before commenting. SOME early LX's came with the CFI 3.8 V6. But we are talking about GTs here right? On the Fox, a late (87-93) GT is more than just badges. They would have to go through quite a bit of trouble to swap over the bumpers, GFX, taillights, etc etc to make it look like a GT.

25thmustang - Who cares? Obviously quite a few people judging by the replies
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Learn about the Fox stang before commenting. SOME early LX's came with the CFI 3.8 V6. But we are talking about GTs here right? On the Fox, a late (87-93) GT is more than just badges. They would have to go through quite a bit of trouble to swap over the bumpers, GFX, taillights, etc etc to make it look like a GT.

25thmustang - Who cares? Obviously quite a few people judging by the replies

There were a few engines in the Fox Mustang not a lot of people know about.

2.3L 4-banger
2.3L Turbo
2.3L SVO Turbo
2.8L V6
3.8L V6
3.3L I-6
4.2L V8
5.0L V8

Many of those engines were axed after 1986 (some earlier) the only engines from 87-93 were the 2.3L in the LX's and the 5.0 in the LX sport and GT.

Oh and the GT is just an appearance package. They did not get stronger motors or better suspension. The LX sport got all the same goodies, just in a lighter cleaner package.
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This has turned into the stupidest thread on this site.
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heck i have seen a mustang with a "GT-R" badge acutally a couple of them, didn't know NISSAN made ford motors haha
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I realize a few people care, but why fight it, you never know what that specific car had done or wrong with it! I personally think the Mustang should have won as well, but it didnt. Lots of variables that noone knows!
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Originally posted by Marc 85Z28
Learn about the Fox stang before commenting. SOME early LX's came with the CFI 3.8 V6. But we are talking about GTs here right? On the Fox, a late (87-93) GT is more than just badges. They would have to go through quite a bit of trouble to swap over the bumpers, GFX, taillights, etc etc to make it look like a GT.

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You tell me to learn about Mustangs. You did not even know about the 5.0 LX. My roomate pulled a 13.97 stock in his 87 LX. I ran a 15.98 the same day. Oh well. Like I said before not trying to **** any one off. Just giving my opinion.
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I seriously doubt that your "roommate" ran a 13.9 in a "stock" 87 LX. Sure they were light but not that light. My friend has an 87 LX notch and with a cobra intake and aluminum heads he could only get a 13.5 modded. Thats with a chip also. He then put a 125 shot of nitrous on and it finally was a "fast" 11.60s.
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My roomate pulled a 13.97 stock in his 87 LX.

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Originally posted by 89305RS
I seriously doubt that your "roommate" ran a 13.9 in a "stock" 87 LX. Sure they were light but not that light. My friend has an 87 LX notch and with a cobra intake and aluminum heads he could only get a 13.5 modded. Thats with a chip also. He then put a 125 shot of nitrous on and it finally was a "fast" 11.60s.
First off, it didnt take me heads to go 13.0, and still have stock heads and cam into the mid 12s. I also dont have a chip, So your friend cant drive!

HotTA, you live in CT i noticed, I might know your roomate as my friend ran 13.9 in his stock LX! This guy is older and lives on his own now, so it might not be him, but you never know!
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