I dont know where you get your figures, but I have seen bone stock 03 cobra dyno 360 at the WHEELS, a pulley and programmer (less than 400 bucks) and it pulled 415 AT THE WHEELS. Of course no thirdgen can ever touch that right? You guys need to grow up, and quit bashing cars that are faster than thirdgens.

 

Hey, back on topic, I just found out today, he's in my econ class. I'll sit down and have a chat with him wednesday.

 

thats the dumbest thing i've ever heard

your comparing a car with a driveline engineered in the 80's to a brand new car.

how about comparing apples to apples.

the SS camaro's in 2002 routinely put down 320hp in stock trim on the dyno....the cobra's put down around 340-350 for the most part......30hp advantage with a super charger......thats something to get excited about.

what is the point of comparing a car that was produced with 240hp to that?

you know wha you need to do??? is stop blowing every car that comes out that is a little bit faster and hailing it as a monumental achievment, when in reality its a massive underachievement.

a chip and a pulley to 415hp??? wow, oh my ***..... a supercharged v8 with 415hp.....how is that possible!!!!!

please thats ridiculous.....that car should have more power than that stock, and it doesnt.

cobra's are a joke...and their also dyno queens, they CANNOT put the power they make to the pavement because the IRS they have is so finicky....and if they did they would snap half shafts like it was goin out of style.

note that i never claimed stock third gens were fast....they werent......but that doesnt change the fact that the cobra is a piece of dog sh*t

 

Imagine that... finding individuals on a Thirdgen F-body site preferring their cars other cars! What's the world coming to?!

Just because its faster DOES NOT mean it deserves any respect. Could it beat any STOCK Thirdgen, maybe. A Firehawk or a TTA would be a good race. However, 383backinblack does not own a stock thirdgen, nor do I, or you, or most of the people here.

If 383backinblack has a car that is capable of outperforming a Cobra, and wants to call a Cobra a POS, he has every right to.

And lastly about the rwhp numbers on the 03/04 Cobras. While impressive, GMs rival cars can and have beaten them time and time again with rwhp deficits of over 100hp. Again, like 383 said, they're heavy. 360 rwhp in a Thirdgen car and you're flirting will 11s. The Cobras need ideal conditions and a good run to hit 12s on 360 rwhp. I've seen mostly high 12s low 13s out of the stockers.

To quote someone from another board: "Most people overestimate the capability of a stock 03/04 Cobra, and underestimate the capability of a modded Cobra."

 

Sure it is, I know what else is a joke, but I wont say it. Have nice day, clueless!

 

Cool, tell him if he wants a rematch I'm game any time, but this time from a stop.

 

"hahahahha i know that cobra's have secret hidden HP and actually make 321429847274924322hp and will beat all cars even top fuel dragsters......i am the man cause i have the inside knowledge"



whats a joke? running 11's in a street driven car?

your a tool dude, why dont you go post on the SVT forums with the rest of the sword swallowing cobra fan boi's

your a jackass, kill yourself

 

Damn you guys hijacked my thread, anyways it's all pointless, as the supercharger won't be on the cobra for long. Ford is going with a NA 5.4 liter with I believe 3 valve heads.

 

hehe stupid ford

 

How the hell did a race between a Viper and SS turn into a conversation about the Cobra?

 

Good question, but it's a Z28

 

My bad! All I know is I don't want none! I got raped by what seemed like a relatively stock LS1 Z28 yesterday :hail: LS1

 

What did it look like, I might know the guy? PM me if you know the license plate.

 

Don't remember what the license plate was. It was that beigeish silver color...same as my ex's mom's. It had black wheels, white guy driving it, looked like he was maybe in his mid 20's. It was over off Courthouse Rd. right after we turned off Qualla.

 

from what he said all he got a good look at was the flash of the tail lights...LMAO

 

That is exactly why it deserves the respect.

383backinblack, I am the tool? When you came in here and bragged about running 11's Iwas one fo the first people to congratulate you, and cut down a guy who was giving you ****. I'm not a ford guy, so I wont be hanging out at any SVT forums. I am jsut soemone that has my head out of my *** far enough to realize a nice car when I see one. Dont be a ***** to someone who doesnt have a beef with you, just because your car is fast. It just lets us all know that your car is parked in front of a mobile home. I really dotn think its appropriate for someone to say "go kill yourself" because they say that a cobra is a fast car. But of course this proves your education and intelligence also. Your car runs 11's thats great. It takes a lot of hard work to do that, my hats off to you. Unfortunately, you became a complete and total ******* in the process. Have a nice f*cknugget!

 

no im not an *******, i just refuse to consider a car to be great when its not.....just because its faster than a stock 3rd gen doesnt make it fast, or amazing in any way.

its a forced induction car, if you wanna compare apples to apples, why dont they tool on all the 10 second dsm's???

my "trailer" is actually a cape with an in ground pool, a 40x50 addition with a 2 car garage, 3.5 acres of industrial zone 1 property, and my fence company and shop located in the back.

i dont think your a complete turd, but worshiping the cobra is ridiculous, its a 1979 mustang with new shiny body panels and an underengineered driveline

 

Really? Does your car pass emissions? Does it have all the modern day safety equipment? Leather seats? A/C? 6 disc in-dash CD changer? amplified system? What's it run on 17" low profile tires? What kind of fuel mileage do you get? How's it handle around a turn? Do you drive it every day? How about your brakes? Can you comfortabley have a conversation with a date in it? That's a mighty big cam you've got there. Wait, your car's not even legal to drive on the street in most states with that 4" cowl hood. You lose.

 

Give me a break. From what I've read 383backinblacks car should be very streetable.

 

wow when did this thread turn into a pissing match and get all the mustang guys up in arms ...LOL.....i myself like mustangs and camaros and firebirds and cuda's and challengers etc....etc....etc....

but i prefer my chevy as he ^ prefers his mustang ......but cmon what happened to the guy that beat the viper???????

and it doesnt matter how streetable your car is if your worried about 1/4 mile times ...


building a 1/4 mile runner and a handling car are two different things......unless you have a butt load of money to throw around and not many here do including myself .......

so lets quit with the is your car streetable....thats just an excuse that people use when they get beat by a good running car on the street ...*( BUT I CAN HEAR MY RADIO IN MY CAR WHEN WE RACE)*.......lmao

 

ya so like i said....third gen camaro's and cobra's are not remotely alike in anyway, and arent even from the same time period

compare apples to apples then, the cobra is technically in the same class as the vette pricewise and categorically.

the vette is faster, much lighter, much much better braking, and much much better handling.....and its only 30hp less than the cobra n/a

also, the z06 has more power than the cobra, still n/a and single non-overhead cam.

any idiot with a mod motor stang could have built that exact car with no help from ford, its an engineering abortion.

if you prove to me why i should be impressed by a 380hp supercharged v8 with with a fragile as glass IRS then i'll pat you on the back


and my car is very streetable, drives nice, handles pretty good (adjustable suspension) rides decent, even has great power brakes (no vacuum can needed)

 

I agree with you here. Just making a point that he's coming on here with a racecar trash talking a street car. His car and the Cobra are both very nice cars from what I can tell, I'd love to own or drive either one. If the Cobra's not your thing, cool, but to call it "a joke" and talk all this **** about the best performing car you can get for under $35k is completely ridiculous. Does that mean I get to call his car a joke because I ran faster on motor with 77 less cubic inches and A LOT less cam in my old 5.0?

 

Really?

2004 Chevrolet Corvette, MSRP: $43,835

2004 Mustang Cobra, MSRP: $34,860

For the mathematically challenged out there: 43835 - 34860 = $8975. That's close to $200 extra a month if you're making payments.

4 seats - 2 seats = 2 extra seats

Hey, they both have 2 doors, so they've GOT to be in the same class!

The 'vette is a 2 seater sportscar with a fiberglass body, compared to the 4 seater Mustang with an all-steel body. Faster? Around a road course, I'll give you that, but I'd certainly hope it would be for the $9k extra you're spending on buying a sportscar over a sedan.

For a $52k MSRP, I'd hope you get a little more than you would out of a car you spend $18k less on. This is just ridiculous.

That was the whole point of supercharging the Cobra. Everyone who builds mod motors know how well they respond to forced induction, Ford included. They gave the enthusiast what they've been wanting all along. A factory supercharged car with a warranty. Even better, they gave the hotrodders a lot of room to play while keeping insurance companies and the gov't off their backs.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.


Perhaps you just have a very high tolerance for what you'll put up with in a "street car." I've been down that road myself and will have another 11 second n/a car one day. Some people will slap a sticker on anything, drive it down the road, and call it a street car. .600"+ lift cam, 300+ degrees of duration, 3" exhaust, 8 pt cage, and a 4" cowl hood? Let's be honest with ourselves...

 

there are people on this board that have driven in the car, slp IROC-z is one of them....tunedport 335 is another.....ask them how well it drives on the street.

the cobra is a top level domestic performance car.....so guess what, it doesnt matter if it costs 15 bucks, it gets to share the same class with the viper and the vette.

whos fault is that??? ford, for not stepping up to the plate.

and i dont know what your talking about 380hp from a blown v8 is a goddamn greek tragedy, any way you slice it. thats like an 02 camaro with about 1000 bucks worth of bolt on parts.

you can continue to worship cobras if you like, and they will continue to make 500hp, break half shafts, run awful times and get wiped up and down the track

saying a 380hp blown v8 is impressive is like putting makeup on a fat chick and trying to pass her off as a prom queen

 

man you guys hijacked his thread

 

<--- smile and nod

Sure buddy.

No use in trying to rationalize with the irrational.

 

oh man next time warn us before you put something like this in your post i spit coffee all over the damn computer when i read that laughing so hard....

 

I hate to say it but the the 03/04 cobra motor makes far more power than any stock GM unit. That includes the LS1, LS6 and the almightly LS2. That motor is underrated worse than the LS1 was. We are talking 450+ at the crank folks. A few bolt ons and a full exhaust can literally produce 550 rwhp. Who cares about the rest of the car when $2000 in mods lets you run 11's.

How is this thread still 3rd gen related?

 

well hmmm...lol...they are talking about a third gen that cant drive as well as his mustang a couple posts back...lol

 

bwahahahahahha

someone better tell that to all the 13 second cobras at new england dragway then.

cobras with a few bolt on like a pulley and some tuning usually make a touch over 400hp at the wheel.......with a good amount of work i know A FEW that make over 500hp at the wheels, and barely crack the 11's.......dyno queens

and im only gonna say this one more time......if your impressed by by that car.....sell every automible you own and quit the hobby, cause your in the wrong game.

 

I have seen some relatively stock cobras run 12's with drag radials out at my track.

Their IRS must not be great for running drags but these guys were pulling 1.6-1.7 60' times with those radials. Not too bad. The LS1 cars out there were slightly modded and pulled nearly identical times with drag radials.

I not sure how the cobra handles but it must not be as good as it should be. The corvette IRS handles twistys well. Take the thirdgen camaros, the irocz and t/a's, they were the best handling cars of the era. The suspension on our cars is good, good design and results. The fourth gen still uses the same rear end suspension setup, so it must have been a good design. Some will argue whether our strut system handles better then 4thgen front rack/pinion setup, but alot of the chasis is good as is. so the cobra's suspension must not be as good as it should be. I always heard mustangs cant handle worth crap. If you want a cobra that handles, get a Cobra R.

As far as the cobra being underated, how can that be? why would they under rate it 50hp or so? Factory is 390hp and those cars running at the track with that much weight seems about right to me. CarnDriver did test of base vette vs. cobra and vette just edged out cobra in 1/4, but did alot better in turns.

 

Thank you! A touch of logic! There's plenty of '03/'04 Cobras cutting 1.6 - 1.7 60's on the stock halfshafts. Considering the cars weight, I think that's pretty damn impressive personally. I doubt the stock axles in my GT will hold up to any more than that and my car only weighs 3360 with me in it. The rearends in the 4th gen F-bodies aren't exactly known for holding up any better either '99/'01 Cobras had very weak halfshafts, but the '03+ uses the same halfshafts that were used in the '00R, which were much stronger.

I'd expect the vette to handle A LOT better, if for no other reason, based on the sheer physics of it's weight advantage. The suspension setups in the '03+ Cobras and the '00R are pretty much the same, and we've all seen what it will do in a much lighter car. The Cobra is definitely no 'vette, but it'll hold it's own pretty well among other performance-oriented cars priced in the mid $30k's. Remember, part of Ford's strategy in building the Cobra was to keep costs down. Ford never intended the Cobra to be a sports car!

As far as horsepower goes...your typical '03+ Cobra puts down ~ 360 rwhp. Figuring in the standard 15% drivetrain loss, that's about 425 at the flywheel. So it's just slightly underrated, but I think we might be guilty of figuring in a little bit too much drivetrain loss with todays more efficient parts and lubricants anyway.

 

Definately right on that. if the cobra was ment to compete with the vette, it would cost much more and handle much better/go alot faster. Seen vids of cobras racing cars on street and pulling to 130-160mph from 60-80 mph roll pretty dang quick. Those cars are hard to bet for the cost, and since its supercharged and its a mustang, the potential of that car is great. For the cash it aint bad at all. Since the GTO is about the same cost and weight, compare them.

If i had my choice, i'd still take a camaro over any ford mustang cept Boss 302 or Eleanor. I take thirdgen looks, suspensioin, with 4th gen drive train. LS1 thirdgens rock and u cant bet the potential of a car like that.

 

I take thirdgen looks, suspensioin, with 4th gen drive train. LS1 thirdgens rock and u cant bet the potential of a car like that.

yea hes rights, With 3rd gen Suspension and its Hots Looks with a Ls1 swap motor in it. You cant beat that! Yeah the L98 was a great motor for its day due to emissions and gave out pretty good performance, but it isnt matched like the LS1. Or neither is the Lt1. Lets put it this way, The Cobra is fast but not as fast as the Z06. Corvette is the number 1 American sport car imho esp for only 45,000 bux. The Viper is POS imo and the Cobra is decent.

 

Sorry this fell off topic and I have to lock it.