ok one of my friends just got a gp gt. i know he just got exhaust work done because i can hear it and now his rev limiter is gone. so im not sure exactly what he did to it yet. well i wanted to race him before when he just got it now he said he will race me. im wondering if i should go for it or not. i mean i dont want to waste my gas if im gonna kill him. btw my mods are 84 camaro w/305 600cfm carb performer intake lightly ported heads. stock exhaust th700r4 with shift kit and 3.73s in the rear. his car stock except some exhaust work.
EDIT: his car is like a 99 or 01 between there

 

The GT's were just the 200hp 3800. They perform basically the same as a late V6 f-bod. They are a mid 15 sec car. Go from a dig and avoid a high speed shoot out.

 

amen

 

Erm... I'd have to put money on the GP, if you started from a 'rolling stop' or whatever they call it. Go from a stop, you'll have him. What's your 1/4 mile time? I don't know for certain, but I think you could order the 3800 SC motor on a four-door chassis, and it was still called the GT.

 

Nope...the only SC3800 you could get is in a GTP. I have worked for Pontiac for a couple years and thats he only one you can get it in. The regular 3800 GT whether it be 2 or 4-door is a low 16 second car...at best. They may feel quicker, but they are not. About the same as a Grand Am GT with an "E" code 3400. I think youll have him though. Give it a shot.

 

didnt they make a turbo GTP in like 1990 or 91? Those would be pretty sweet and fairly quick but stock GT's are weak

I beat one with my dads V6 03 impala 3.8L. 200hp, ran just about even with GT and slightly pulled.
An LG4 should be able to run them in good tune. would be close but from a dig, its all over

your mods, i say you would be able to take him. 3.73's and lightly ported heads netted you with some good acceleration gains. Get some exhaust work done. Oh, you still running stock cam or something mild?

 

umm not sure about the cam. i was told a mild cam from the last owner and some friends sa it sounds like a mild cam but im not positive. yeah he has a stock newer gt. like today when he got back from school i seen him in my neiborhood. when i drove past him in second i hit it ans spun a little past him it was also dry out. then he came to my house and we talked then when he was leaving he punched it and got some spin "some" wheel spin not much and it was like sqwek ssqwek sqwek not sqweeeeeeeeeek like mine until i let off the gas. ha
i could go do it now but i dont know how much gas its gonna cost me for like one run down a qm road. o yeah i dont know what i run. have no clue.

 

I race one a while back before i had my rear end done or me new tranny. I walked him pretty bad for a dig and from a roll, i think youve got this one.

 

Turbo-equipped Grand Prix's were labeled TGP's, and had similiar badges to the GTA and similiar-looking wheels. I've never seen one for real. They also made the... uh... STE four-door version for a few years, turbo 3.1 with four doors, looks pretty family sedan-ish if you ask me... Probably good for a sleeper. Due to reliability issues (I believe) they went with the DOHC 3.4 motors instead of keeping the turbo setup.

Well, I learned something today, thanks for the correction. A friend of mine has a borning-looking SE model but he sears it has the 3800 in it, something about being able to check off the appropriate boxes and in goes the better motor... *shrug*

 

Yeah you can get a Grand Prix SE with a 3800. It was only in the first years though, 97-99 or 2000. My 2000 Grand Prix SE has a 3.1 what a dog, and to think when I was young and stupid I thought it was quick. LOL

Kevin

 

Didn't they also make a quad cam 3.4 for the GP? I think you got this guy. A friend of mine in high school had a 99 GP with Borla exhaust and it was nothing to brag about. It sounded nice for a V6 though. They have no torque and FWD so kill him out of the hole and you should stay in the lead.

~Matt

 

The Pre 97+ GTPs have the 3.4 Dual Over Head Cam.

Kevin

 

Yea I knew that there were the 3.4 DOHC in pre 97, but I thought in like 93 or 94 they had a quad cam one. I'm probably wrong but I thought I read that on here one time...

~Matt

 

Well a DOHC V6 is a quad camed engine, I dont know if this is what you are refering to, but 2 cams per head = 4 cams (quad cam).

Kevin

 

Don’t pick a fight with the LQ1 from a 30 mph role that is where there are deadly. Race them from a stop no low end power. I know all the strengths and weakness of the 3.4 dohc it is in my z34.

As for the 3800 they have great low end for a front wheal drive v6. The Monte Carlo with a 3800 run 15.7 all day and there are both w body's so it should be similar.

 

Actually DOHC is 2 cams. Just like SOHC is one cam. I'm talking about actually having 4 cams, not the DOHC 3.4 with 2 cams. Like the ZR1 Corvette had 4 cams. They don't count the number of cams per head, if a car is Dual OverHead Camshaft then it has 2 camshafts.

~Matt

 

I just took the belt cover off my Monte there is two cams in the front row.

 

IIRC, the 3.4 from '92 to '96 had four cams. Why it was popularly known as a DOHC engine, I'll never know. The base motor, the 3100 (can't remember the RPO code - anyone?), was a good improvment over the venerable LHO, though. I've owned two GP's, and the 3100 one is a pretty good step up, at least in terms of reliability. Still sucks trying to change the back spark plugs, though... I'd still like to stick an L67 into a GP, though.

 

Oh ok. Yea I knew they made a motor for them with 4 cams. The DOHC name with 4 cams in this case is an exception to the rule. I don't know why they named it DOHC and it had 4 cams. DOHC is generally 2 cams. They don't count the number of cams per head. A 4 cylinder Civic with ONE head and 2 cams is called DOHC. A V6 Accord with TWO heads and 2 cams is also DOHC. Maybe someone else can explain this better and I'm wording it weird.

z28z34man:
What do you mean when you say that there are two cams in the "front row?" My 305 LG4 has one cam behind the belt cover. If you have a Z34 Monte Carlo then you have a V6 with 2 cams. You don't have 4 cams or 2 cams per head or whatever. Just the 2 cams.

~Matt

 

A dual overhead cam engine is just as it sounds. Dual Cams Over head. Not heads. Meaning 2 per head. So and V motors will have 4 (2 heads with 2 cams) and any single head inline motor will have 2 (1 head 2 cams). SOHC motors are no different except they have one instead of two per head.

 

[QUOTEz28z34man:
What do you mean when you say that there are two cams in the "front row?" My 305 LG4 has one cam behind the belt cover. If you have a Z34 Monte Carlo then you have a V6 with 2 cams. You don't have 4 cams or 2 cams per head or whatever. Just the 2 cams.

~Matt [/B][/QUOTE]

all 95 to present monte carlo's are front wheel drive so the engen is in there side ways. so i only checked the front row of cilinders.

 

So you're saying that a 24V DOHC 3L Ford Taurus for example has 4 cams?

~Matt

 

This is exactly right.

Any V-type engine with "DOHC" has 4 cams.
A Honda (I-type engine) with "DOHC" has 2 cams because it has one head.
A V-type engine with SOHC has 2 cams (one per head), and an I-type engine with SOHC has 1 cam.

 

So what was the final verdict? Did yall actually race?

 

my grand am has the 2.3 and its called the quad cam or something quad. i know it dont have 4 cams cuz whats the point in that?

 

Its called a quad-4. Those had 2 cams, each opening up 2 valves in each cylinder I believe.. so it has 4 valves per cylinder.

 

all that wasted metal and parts for 110hp LMAO slow as frozen water! why put in all those valves for "better breathing" and only make 110hp?? LOL

 

Ehh....are you sure about that? It was my understanding that the quad-4 cars were actually decently quick. The quad-4 came in Berettas and Grand Ams and such. Maybe yours isn't one? I thought they put out a bit more power than that..

 

no cliff we havent raced yet. i think the time will come soon. i just need to get some gas money.

 

The old quad 4 made 180hp and was a real screamer. It had its reliability problems but most cars with that motor would spank a stock 305. Even its 2.4 twin cam replacment can put up a mean fight from a roll.

 

Wow i can't believe I was so wrong.
Thanks for the edumacation guys.

~Matt