I am excited as this is my first race in long time.

I was out cruising around looking for something to do and had what i thought was another camaro coming up on me(based on fog lights), until i heard the 4 cylinder cannon out back. A guy and his girlfriend pull along side of me going bought 50 mph. I recognize it as a Honda Del Sol. Exhaust/rims and lowered. He is just riding even with me so and i am looking over, and i am in drive, ready to go, waiting for him to make the move.

I hear him down shift and his rpms go up and he starts to go. I immediately get on it, rpms flash up to 3100rpm on the converter and i am out. 50mph roll, and I start walking him real hard, a couple cars, so i let off. It was slightly up hill too.

He hangs back a bit and then does a quick WOT flyby with a dang stock mid 90's cavalier tailing him. (what is it with flyby's??) We all hit the next light. Del Sol in the left, cavaler in right. I am behind the cavy and pissed off cuz i could have shown this guy what torque can do from a stop BUT NO i have a cavalier wanting to get in on the action. Light changes and the Del Sol roasts the Cavalier. The cavalier does a fly by on the Del Sol and he hangs back as i speed up to him for round 2....

Well again we go from 50mph roll, and he goes WOT and i let him put a car on me before i smash it. His forward acceleration from me is stopped almost immediately and i slowly start over taking him by 80mph or so. I start to walk him hard again as i reached even with him, and once i pulled ahead, i let off. He keep going. A Bad area was coming up and cant get another ticket, so i stopped quickly before we approached. LOL

Must be a stock Del Sol. just rims and exhaust. My L98 gave him too much to handle. I was impressed from the roll, as my car pulled hard. 32 degree weather and clear as ever!! Beautiful day!

 

your drivin your IROC in 32 degree weather at this time of year?! Im jk orr, man those flybys get old, thats what ricers always do around, it sounded like a fun time and your L98 does kick *** Hell maybe the prelude woulda been a better match if ya owned one..

 

Fly-bys are lame, I accidently did one to a Viper once, that was embarassing. From your story it sounds like the Del Sol was just messing around with the Caviler though, instead of concentrating on you. And about it being stock, probably, Del Sols are the slowest of all the Civics. They are pretty lame actually.

 

slowest of all civics? i thought they were decent. What they got in them things? he was decently quick, like most 15 second imports as far as i can tell. Oh well, it was fun. the cavalier was behind us as we ran first and he then flew past to catch up to del sol. they did run at the light and that del sol took off. Cavy was all stock with auto i think. real slow LOL.

He probly knew he couldnt get me but oh well, might as well give it a shot.

nick, i starting to love my L98 again LOL

 

Those del sols just have the regular civic engine. 1.6l. It might have been a VTEC, in which case it had 160 hp / 100 ft-lbs or something. Only advantage he's got on you is weight, and that ain't worth anything when you have an l98 in front of you.

 

them del sols are worthless....put about 8grande in one and you MIGHT see mid to low 14's.

 

Not true at all, I'd say nice try, but it wasn't. Really.


Anyway, the reason that the Del Sols are the slowest Civics are because they are the heaviest of the Civics. Also, other body style have more after market for them. There was a Del Sol running 11's this last year at Bandimere before the track closed. I was at the event he was running at, but I missed the run where his hood flew up on him and he still ran a 12 or something like that. It might have been that the hood flew up and he still ran an 11, I don't remember, I'll have to ask my friends.

Oh yeah, and most Del Sols aren't the VTEC model, and the ones that aren't are painfully slow. Like 18.00 1/4 at sea level slow. My buddy runs 19.01's with his up here. It must suck for him to go from an EVO 8 to a Del Sol, but he got the car for free.

 

I meant that he MIGHT see mid to low 14's after 8grande without completely swapping out his 1.6 or 1.8...whatever it had from the factory. I've seen a one run 12.98 but he had a worked over H22 prelude 2.2vtec motor in it.

 

I know exactly what you meant and you were WAY off. I spent $3000 to run 13's at high altitude in my car and the potential difference isn't much different than that of a Del Sol. What do you have to say to that?

 

Stu, can i ask you a question?

what it you porpose here? (other then getting threads locked)

i feel your attitude is this...you think because you own an import, and know stuff about them, then no one else does.

this is not a fight/arguement board.

 

So what you are saying is that:

1) You never care to learn about anything else other than the things you already know.

and

2) If you heard someone spewing a bunch of stuff that you KNEW wasn't true to a bunch of innocent, unsuspecting, impressionable people, you wouldn't say anything? In this case, right here, on this board.

Am I getting that straight? Let me know if I'm off. Just asking of course....

 

who the hell said anything about learning? i own both inport and domestic. i wasnt flaming you. just saying be more friendly.

 

I wasn't being mean, but there are only so many ways to tell someone that they are wrong. No one complains when people tell me I'm wrong, and no one is exactly nice about it either.

 

Sounds like you put him in his place. I don't see many of them around here... and the ones I have seen don't look to threatening, even to my meager LG4.

I wish I could have been out racing tonight. Spent five hours doing an assorment of soldering, color matching and cursing today just trying to fix my stupid CD player.

Let me give a word of advice to you guys: soldering + bucket seat + 5 hours = death.

 

I know what you mean. Whenever I have to do something under my dash, I just take the seat right out.

 

this del sol sounded pretty nice for a 4 banger. Exhaust had a decent tone to it, not fart cannon annoying buzz like most cars. It moved alright so i doubt it was a 18 second car LOL more like high 15's. Our TPI cars arent the greatest from a roll but my car felt strong.
His Del Sol moved pretty nicely, but still slow LOL.

 

Yeah... this job was particularly a pain in the *** because the ******* that owned the car before me decided to splice wires himself instead of buying the $10 adapter harness or whatever they are called. Aparently he figured it would be ok to just "twist and tape" as well, so I had to fight through yards and yards of black electrical tape.

I had a really hard time figuring out what went where and I burnt myself quite a few times. Damn newbies. Oh wait...

By the way, stu... it's too bad you don't ever post anywhere else on the boards (which is understandable, given what kind of car you have). It's a shame to see such knowledgable people get the short end of the stick sometimes because of other people's ignorance or stubborness. Keep up the "good work".

 

i didnt mean to come off like and ***..my bad.


long day...

 

Don't even worry about it. I don't know how many boards you guys browse, but this one is about as tame as it gets. I don't blink an eye at most things I see on here.

 

i browse many boards, but i hate being an ***...so when i come off as one, i like tocorrect my mistake.

 

Same with me in most cases, sometimes I just don't care. lol

 

This thread has become pointless. Congrats on the destruction of another Honda boy's ego ORR.

 

oh yea, guess i never congratualted you on the kill,

 

thanks my thread has turned into some silly arguments over STU. LOL

 

well thats how most of them end up here isnt it....

 

anymore what post doesn't


congrats on the kill though.


too bad the cavy didn't try to race you though in a serious I can take you manner.... would be funny to put someone like him his place

 

LMAO your right. LOL

yeah, the cavy got murdered and took off. He didnt want none. Del sol love to play but should have stayed on the porch, cuz he couldnt run with the big dogs L98 LOL

any way this is my second encounter with a light modded del Sol.

first one was just messing around and really wasnt a race. Just flying up the road me and this custom painted green del sol with rims/muffler/altezza's, the usual. LOL i could have smoked him too. There is another Del Sol i keep seeing around on real nice weather days. Its red, with body kit, nice paint, and rims/exhaust. Not sure what else.

What up with Del Sols? they seem to be everywhere in my area.

 

Orr89RocZ, congrats on the kill. However, that del sol was by no means stock if in fact the race happened like you said it did. I say this because I had a run-in with a del sol once in my 89 RS, L03. This del sol was "turboed" but apparently the guy could never get it above like 4psi or something...excuses Anyways, long story short, I ran into him coming home from work one night, he was hauling *** right along side me, and right as he got to my door I punched it and immediately went even with him, then started passing him. This with my lack of top end of a l03, we went from a 45mph roll....or at least I punched it at 45. We both let off at around 80-85mph and I had a good car on him by then. So the one you ran into sounded pretty worked over or had a damn good driver. Anyways, good kill.....stupid cavy LOL

 

thats what i thought too. he ran pretty good. first run was all me. i roasted him but i dont think he was all the way on it. I think he downshifted to get into his power band and was getting ready to go. i jumped as soon as i heard his car rpms go up so that i guess was a throw away run

But the second run, i let him get a car ahead before i jumped. He was screaming in whatever gear he was in. He didnt get far when i got on it and within about 4 seconds or so, i caught him and could have walked away hard, but i kept it safe and realized that i could have crushed him so i let off.

 

Yep, low boost Hondas are not really worth the money in my opinion, and I live at a mile above sea level where it's more beneficial. After driving my car on 15 psi for a couple of months, I had it turned to 7 psi and it totally sucked, I would have been pissed if that's all the performance I got out of the motor. I remember when I couldn't get my MBC to work and was only running on the 5-7 psi of the wastegate, wouldn't race people and told them it was broken because I thought that it wasn't boosting at all. A Honda on only 4psi would be even more of a waste of money than supercharging a 4 cylinder.

 

even if that kid was the best driver there is, a del sol just can't muster nearly enough torque to squeeze a solid running L98.

 

i have two comments.

1.i had a friend with a 1.6l stock delsol that ran a 15.2 with a cold air and no muffler,it was the driver. we bought a b18c(1.8 160hp) for $500,installed it in 1 day and it went 13.9 with a header and a cold air. we pieced togather a nitrous kit and it went a 13.2 on a 60hp shot with slicks. anyone who says somthing cant be done is living in the past. i have dozens of storys of fast 1.6,1.8,2.0l motors that me and freinds have put togather. never say never. i mean bob norwood has spent the past year working on/building a 4cyl toyota celica!

2.rx7speed, why do they call a rotory motor a 1.3l? is your motor a 2 cycle? does it have 2 combustion cycles? no it has 4, do the math, its more like a 2.6l.i like rotorys, it just bothers me that they mislead people into thinking it is a smaller motor than it is ,in turn making it seem like it makes more hp per liter.

im done sorry to offend anyone, sometimes things just need to be said. oh btw the only car ive lost a race to in 2 years was a frickin crx that made as much power to the wheels on nitrous as i did on motor. shoulda had my bottle in the car. and the bad part is we raced from a dead stop....hp to weight ratio.....

 

there you go, i didnt think del sols were all that slow. I think i am gonna go search and pull some numbers.

oh and it wasnt turbo'd cuz i didnt hear no blow off as he passed me and when i passed him. LOL

 

Good kill. Del Sols are one of those cars that you race where they are unbearably slow or insanely fast. At least in my experiences...

~Matt

 

Del Sols have always been slow to me, my mom (*** rest her soul) had one since 97, it is a very, very slow car. Weak flexible chassis too. Theyre good for driving with the top off that is all. Its for sale, anyone?

 

well i found some stats according to auto trader

Del sols look light but are a bit heavier than standard civics

at 2491 lbs according to autotrader

94 Vtec is 160 hp/ 111 torque. hp peak is at 7600rpm which is where this kid had to be running cuz his car was screaming LOL

94 Si is 125 hp at 6600rpms

96 is same Vtec motor but car is bit more porky at 2522lbs

here some more, dont ask why its on musclecarclub.com
http://www.musclecarclub.com/other-c...-del-sol.shtml


This guy ran 15.69 in his Del Sol all stock except for cam gears and intake, and timing advanced alittle
http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-del-S...slip-2024.html

 

You mean the B18C1 and not the B18C5 right? And where did you get the motor for $500? Unless it was stolen, or a great deal from a friend, those motors are like $3,000. I'm not calling BS on you though, I've come across lots of deals myself.

 

A friend of mine has a '97 del sol with the following:

CAI in the bumper
custom headers
cat back
High perf. wires
lighter flywheel
racing clutch
good driver mod

He drove me to pick up the GTA from the paint shop. The GTA is all stock but has had a tune up recently. On the drive home I decided to egg him on a bit, he took the bait at about 40mph so I punched it too and proceded to walk him several times just like the original poster.

So, to hang with an L98, I think a Del Sol would have to have internal engine work, engine swap, juice, or high boost forced induction

 

Del Sols only have one head.

 

augee from joetech had it in his integra gsr, decided to use kenny trans old motor and mike(the guy who owned the del sol) was a good friend. this was in 1998. hey if you wanna hear a deal of a lifetime check this out..........friend of a friend has an 01 trans am that he wrecked. he bought the car back from the insurance company. he lost his job and was forced to do something to pay his rent.....enter john, the station wagon guy. he buys the motor trans(6 speed) wiring harness and computer for $600! yeah thats great but he didt need a 6 speed so he sold it for $800! he used the extra $200 dollars to buy a 4l60 and had the deal of a lifetime.it went in a 1978 ford fairmont wagon.cam ,switch to a gluid and 175hp dry shot......heres the vid.....6.25 1/8 mile on a 1.24 60 foot.......(redundant post of awsome video)
http://www.mesmartyoudumb.com/jmiller/John.mpeg

 

to be technical about it it is a 1.3L
the motor itself is able to displace 1.3L total
just like a 5.0 is able to displace only 5.0L
displacement is rated as the difference between max volume and min volume.
that difference between max voume on my car comes out to 1.3L not my fault it only takes one revolution to get full displacement though and your car takes two revolutions


the rotary motor has only two combustions happening per rotation of the eccentric shaft just like a 4 cylinder will only have 2 combustions per rotation of the crank shaft
only way I am going to get four combustions is for the eccentric to rotate twice
and no it isn't a 2 cycle it has 4 different cycles just like most other production motors have

 

btw I have a mag somewhere in either my storage or house that has info of a del sol in japan that was converted to RWD... here is the kicker though...... the engine isn't in the front either.....


the motor wasn't stock and obviously had boost to the tune of around 400-500hp. crazy tuners over on the land of the squints..... I need to kidnap one of them and have them work on my car..... woohoo I'll be fast

 

Ummm, they've been doing that for a couple of years over here now. I now for sure that there is a least one over on www.honda-tech.com

 

mmm I didn't know that and the only honda board I have been to is superhonda. bunch of ricers over there for the most part except for one of the mods which to this day something he said makes me laugh hard.


basicly someone asked why everyone is "hatin" on wings

the mod said cause we drive honda's not race cars



what parts though do you do to get a mid/rear engine del sol like that though?

 

I've got no idea, I think it's all custom, unless HAS sport has a mouht kit or something.

 

An engine in the back....GM did a car like that a little while back...I believe it was called the Fiero lmao...

 

The point is that it started out in the front.

 

now now dont forget about the classic corvair...LMAO

 

'Deadly at any speed.'

 

yup even park...LMAO