Man, the stupidity gets deeper. Ford made more power than an L98 with a 4.6 liter engine. Over a full liter less displacement, and made more power. That is N/A BTW. The 2005 is putting down 300 N/A out of 4.6 liters. Yeah, that chevy platform is much better.

Its one thing to say "I like chevy better, and they have made some good cars, they are my favorite" Its another thing to say that they are the gods and nothing will touch it. That just makes you sound stupid.

 

Can't compare old technology with the new. Fricken four bangers make more power per liter than some v8 domestics. Check out the LS2, its all changing. Can't compare old with the new.

 

Man, the stupidity gets deeper. Ford made more power than an L98 with a 4.6 liter engine. Over a full liter less displacement, and made more power. That is N/A BTW. The 2005 is putting down 300 N/A out of 4.6 liters. Yeah, that chevy platform is much better.

LOL yea and it took FORD like 7 to 8 years for there V8 GT to match up a L98 Wow like 15hp more, and the L98 still has 45lbs of TQ more. And im talkin about the 4.6 1999-2004. Plus you cant compare a L98 to a 2005 V8.... the L98 came out of the 80s and that wasnt diff performance.. The L98 always produce more power then a 5.0 Mustang (and im talkin STOCK) pretty much every year Camaros produce more power then the Mustang. I mean look at 1998, The Camaro had a underated 305 HP Z28 and the regular Mustang GT was prodicing what? Like 220 HP.... And in 1991 the Mustang was 225hp and the L98 was 245hp with way more TQ then the 302.. Chevy pretty much always had more power and better handling then the Mustang

 

Lets do some math....

Year 2005: 300 hp / 4.6 liters = 65.22 hp per liter (junkstang)
Year 2004: 405 hp / 5.7 liters = 71.1 hp per liter (corvette)

So effeciency 65.22 < 71.1

Which means the LS1 is more effecient and produces more hp and torque...

Any other things I can clear up for you ljnowell since you seem to be enlightening me on Ford performance.

(Thanx for the support nick)

Really thats just sad.

 

You guys are wasting your time arguing over things that are controlled by economics. not quality of the manufacturer.

Also, those are weak sauce hp/liter numbers. Just about every late model 4 cyclinder car makes more power per liter than any V8 car.

 

I need to change what I said up there. Not every four cylinder car. It's actually only the sporty ones. Si, GSR, SVT, SRT, those ones, not the econo motored cars.

 

Ramairgod69, you ask for proof, I have it... check out my cardomain site...

I seriousely dont know how you can post all this Mustang BS, when i OWN one. I drive one, that you claim cant be done without forced induction. Not only is mine naturally aspirated, but has stock heads, stock cam, and a stock bottem end. Has stock suspension, and gets driven to every track event with the CD player going... I dont need to race you to prove anything, I own the car, its sitting about 150 feet from me in the shop, and if you want to call BS, go right ahead. I will have Cobra Killer come on (another old member) and back it up, as he has been in and seen the car run!

Go ahead tell me what Mustangs cant do, we have two, one runs 12.5s with a stock motor, bolt ons and a set of valves in the heads, the other has unported explorer heads and bolt ons and has gone 12.1! Will be 11s after the stock trannies out of it! I know of 9-11 second NA Mustangs, a LOT of them, so your theory is total talking out your a**!



Some of these IGNORANT thirdgen owners with no knowledge of any other cars. It scares me!

 

Your comparing a ZO6, which is a $50,000 + car to a $25,000 Mustang?

Compare it to a car in it's price range then... 2000 Cobra R

5.4 385hp (under rated at that)

71.2 hp per liter

 

Seriously, anyone that goes to the track on a regular basis should know better than to say a stock motored 5.0 cannot hit the 12's or low 13's even. The Ford 5.0 (foxbody) was equal to performance to the Chevy 350 until the LS1. The LT1 is quick but a 93 Cobra could equal there performance. The only time Ford used the 351 (95 Cobra R) it was as fast if not faster than any of the 5.7 stock F-body's made running low 13's dead stock with crap 3.08 gears and a setup not made for the drag strips.

I have my preferences, but I'm not a crazy brand loyalist either. If I was that stuck on a brand..I'd be one of those guys driving a used 80's Porsche 924 that could get smoked by a Neon. But hey...it's a Porsche...

 

Just scan a timeslip and leave the link in your signature, I plan on doing that too . I have to say though, that is hard to swallow, a lot of guys at the track here with 5.0s, even with bolt ons are just getting into the 13's. I have yet to see one with a stock cam and heads here running 12's. Thats even with slicks.

 

It's all in the bolt-ons man...the bolt-ons

 

I have seen about 5 of them do this, nothing special anymore!

 

Hey im not calling BS, I just havn't seen it done. Lots of fast 5.0's here, but they ain't stock and a lot of them are spraying. But if I were to see it, there would be no doubt . A lot of people don't believe im trapping at 109.55mph with a 13.8 =/. Gonna scan the slip soon.

 

Some of these IGNORANT thirdgen owners with no knowledge of any other cars. It scares me!

i hope your not pointing that to me brian

 

Anyone who wants to see a 12.6 or 12.7 pass (you cant see the time board tho, its a crappy camera) feel free to IM me at MHRA47. I have my frist ever 12 (12.809 @ 105.40) pass, against my GF none the less, I have my 12.65, I have a 12.74, etc...

Also have a TON of videos of my friends stock motored 93 notch. I have some 12 second vids and some 13.0s from him! His has gone 12.77 @ 105 with an untouched motor, MAF, CAI, pulleys, exhaust and suspension!

 

ok lets do some more math
160hp 1.6L = 100hp/L it's a honda so it's more efficient I guess
another honda motor 240 2.0L = what? 120hp/L
there are many other motors out there that can pull high numbers



you know what it reminds me of though using that exuse.......


***** :P

 

That's true. The only good reason to even bring up the hp/liter issue (imo) is to explain why Mustangs and Camaros can gain like 20whp from an exhaust, while a Honda might get 10 whp from a cold air intake, a header, a race cat, and a full exhaust. Otherwise, it's not really anything worth arguing over. My car made nearly 170hp per litter the day I dynoed it. So what? Anyone can do that. It's all about economics anyway.

 

OK..go in here and read this LONG post...find alot of times..some slips..and probably some vids.
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...hlight=stocker

 

And for some reason the mustangs were still faster. Lets not bring up the "but this car is 20 years old" crap. It was said that Chevy is the best because ford cant make an engine setup as good as chevy. There is your proof.

As far as comparing the mustang to a vette, THANK YOU for proving my point. Compare a 60K dollar car to a 30K dollar car. I guess chevy just cant get it done any more.

I own a thirdgen, I like my chevy. But anyone that will sit and say "chevy is ALWAYS better than ford. The mustang is ALWAYS slower than camaro" is an idiot. Plain and simple.

 

don't forget and import is always better then a domestic
or
a domestic is always better then an import

blanket statments are soem of the STUPIDEST things.

 

umm there proven numbers that Chevy/Pontiac always pretty much made powerful numbers Vs mustang... Also it does matter in age, You cant compare a V8 from 1985 to a V8 in 2005 (bonestock) You cant! And everyone stop bitching, i like FORD as well, an American V8 is an American.. AMEN

 

I understand you completely, and I feel the same way. I'm not the "I'd rather push my Ford than drive a Chevy!" person. I didn't even dare mention the 03-04 Cobra since everyone usually cries about it having a built motor and a SC from the factory. The way I see it, Ford just made the best and fastest car they could for the enthusiasts out there. Plus, forced induction allows easy power gains. GM did it in the 80-90's with the GN's, TTA's, and the Syclone/Typhoon and they were and still are awesome. Fast is fast...who cares who makes it...

 

so i guess it comes down to this it doesn't matter what your sportin around a mustang or a third gen. we all win some we all lose some but we both stump the imports into the ground while there out spending $thounds to get there cars to even stay close enough to still see are tail-lights while we all keep laughing are *** off at them i do it all the time i will hang right out the window and point right at them and laugh its great thats one thing i can say i have never lost to an import not to say that there is not some fast ones out there but not around here peace thank the car gods for the v-8

 

YEAH! That's exactly it. I'm so glad that someone finally gets it. If the world was full of people like you, everything would be better.

 

Z06 or mustang whatever we were arguing engine platforms so cry about the money...

Mustang25 you are quite a legend in your own mind.

 

Thats rivarly. It makes the whole car scene fun. Its what makes me strive to be faster than you .

 

Ok then...if you want to go that way Ford GT vs. a Z06...who would win??? $$$ doesn't matter you said...right??:lala:

 

Ok enough with these lame comparisons. I am not sure if Godzilla would win or Voltron. They are both powerful in their own regards but are amazingly different. There is a good chance that GM and Ford know what they are doing.

 

Just remember, they were both made in Japan

 

What about the Power Ranger Megazord??

 

Just a recent rip off of Voltron. Seriously, that show was awesome as a kid.

 

Yea, I still have my Votlron toys from way back when! Doesn't seem like that long ago. I liked that, Transformers, MASK, etc..etc.
My kid likes Power Rangers...I can't stand them myself. His real father started buying him the dumb videos a few years ago. He is going to be 6 in Feb. Now that makes me feel old! He was about 1 1/2 when I got together with my g/f so he thinks I'm his father. His "real" dad sees him once a week. He calls him "Dude"!:lala: I have no idea where he came up with that name but it cracks me up. I thought maybe he heard me call him a douche and just said it wrong!!!!

 

No, just proving your wrong, and ignorant at the same time!!!

 

Ramair some way i agree with u, but no offense, you have no idea what your talking about. IM Mustang25th aka Brian. He'll show you pics and Videos of him and his friends at the track.

 

they do have that hp per liter thing down pat... now they just have to work on that hp per car ratio

 

As soon as I saw that, I knew I was dealing with someone around my age. Damn close to it too.

 

It's only because they have to though, if they didn't, then all four cylinder cars would blow, like Cavaliers.

 

Well if we are going to compare the ford GT we could compare that to the lingefelter corvette supercars or the new Ls7 that will have close to if not more than 500 hp (N/A). Considering that the 05 corvette with a 400 hp Ls2 is running 12.5 in the quarter I think the new Z06 will shame the GT for a third of the price.

 

Wow, I love how the fights just keep changing...

How about we compare a thirdgen Fbody to a similar year Mustang??? Works for me, as I have yet to be challenged by one with anything less than a stroker motor, or decently built 350 (Im talking heads, cam, intake, etc)! Not saying they cant compete at all, they can and do, just saying it takes more than bolt ons to run 12s in one!

 

boltons on a L98 will get you 12's. You just need to seriously weight reduce the car down 300lbs or so to get it on the level of a 5.0 stang. look at some L98 vettes. some are real low low 13's and 12's with mostly stock TPI or just aftermarket one. they are a bit lower weight, about that of a stang i believe. So its possible to get a L98 thirdgen into the 12's. just need the right suspension/gears and make it lighter. Also a good chip tune would seriously gain 30hp on stock L98. alot of improvement lies within the chip tune and timing of the cam.

 

I challenge j00!!! :lala: :lala:

 

You have a motor swap, let me go get something better and swap it in ! I know this is a lame excuse, but Im talking stock motors as the way you get them from a company. I could put a stock 03 Cobra motor in with bolt ons and run deep 11s or better too, heheh!

Also you havent gone any faster than me yet either, granted when you get driving it down Im probably done for, as of now Id gladly run you... !

As far as running 12s, I dont see them, Im sure they could (as a matter fo fact I was going to try to do it, with a stock motored L98, and a 5-speed) but have yet to see one, or even read about one. Id love to read of one, as that kind of thing interests me, but I just have yet to even hear of one! The Vettes I know can do it, and have heard of many of them doing it, but I am talking Fbody! Im the kind of person who believes stuff before they see it, as long as it is in reason, but these cars have been around for 10+ years, and I havent seen or heard of one going 12.99 with bolt ons... Anyone want to show me one I d be more than happy to take a look and read up on it (Im not the kind to just say it cant happen and be close minded, unlike some... ).

 

Theirs plenty of TPI 350's with bolt ons hitting 12's. If you consider head and cam bolt ons. Don't worry, i'll get the traction issued squared away at some point . I got a Comp Cams 306 (230 / 244, .510 / .540 112 LSA) going in this friday. Im definatley hitting the 12's . Maybe high 11's with slicks. But yea, its a different story on the street, I don't slip as much and a lot of them are 10mph rolls. Im just messin with ya. I wouldn't want to drive to new england for a race haha . Whats the elevation of your track there? Believe mine is like 800-900 ft above sea level.

 

i havent seen of a mostly stock TPI L98 Fbody going 12's yet either. I love to see it done. if vettes can do it, Fbodies can too. all they need is to lose some pounds and get some traction. LOL

there is a long thread on "12.99's with stock TPI" or something like that. guy was trying to see if it was possible to get 12's on mostly stock TPI or whatever.

 

So basically if you do all the same mods, plus gut the interior and take out everything you dont need, then you can accomplish what the mustag can? You can't really bring the vette into it, this an Fbody-Fox body discussion (note that I didnt use the word argument) . I dont see why it is so hard to admit that the fox body was a better platform. Its true. I dont own one, probably never will, I personally think they are ugly. I would rather do more work to my car to make it faster, than drive an ugly one. Sorry mustang guys, I mean no offense, that is purely opinion.

 

OK, this is really stupid. Im a Chevy/GM guy at heart, I love my Camaros. There always has been and always will be the Camaro vs. Mustang rivalry. I used to despise Stangs and call them Rustangs and sorts but then I looked at what I hated and it wasnt the cars, it was the cocky ******* drivers that I dealt with. Once I started going to the track, I met with some really cool Mustang guys. I myself have actually come to like the Fox Body....Hell theres a guy at wortk with a 91 GT 5.0/5speed white a really clean car that Id love to buy....Im considering selling my T-top once I finish the bodywork just to purchase it.

I gained alot of respect for the 5.0 motor when my buddies POS Lincoln Mark VII ran a 9.6 bone stock his only mod was a h-pipe into SuperTrapp mufflers. He doesnt have any interior except for his 2 front seats and only has taken off the AC but still, to see a car that weighs in at 3800lbs and 190,xxx miles on it run a 9.6 with ease, thats pretty impressive bone stock for a Lincoln. Once we put some gears, stall and make it MAF and some shorties, Im expecting him to run 9.0's-9.1's all night. So, you can joke on Mustangs and the 5.0 motor but you cant argue the facts that the 5.0 motor takes bolt ons like a fat kid and cake......Thats why I wont mind selling my T-top ThirdGen and getting a HatchBack GT.......if I had heard that a year ago, I would have hit myself lol...

Dont compare GT40's to Vettes.... Corvettes have great suspension and power dont get me wrong....the GT40 is a SUPERCAR (i.e. Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren, etc.)...which means it'll go on any course and be bad as hell....I love drag racing and personally dont like AutoX or Drifting or what not but if a guy has 200,000 grand to spend, he's going for a car that can be quick on any course....

So, trolls, go away and spew your ignorance elsewhere..... Mustangs are accepted here, just not as much as our beloved ThirdGens

 

I have met some really bad *** 5.0 drivers at the track. They all love my car. They can't believe I made a thirdgen so powerful. A lot of them are fast to and give me the respect. Hell, I was cruising around town one night a fox body guy gave me a thumbs up. I was in awe and caught myself and threw him one back, he had a nice smoke colored 5.0 GT. They have earned my respect but they still get the beat down when they step out of their place .

 

Don't even bother going to MAF as you will gain no power at all. Unless he is doing heavier mods, (H/C/I) leave it speed density. Do 3.73-4.10 gears, 2500 stall, full exhaust, cold air, pulleys, timing advance, and you will have a pretty quick car probably in the low-mid 14's with ease..

 

Not all stangs are light...mine is 3500lbs race weight. It was still pretty quick for the mods though NA.. 13.8's at 100+mph with exhaust and pulleys the only major mods..oh and cold air kit...

 

He is planning on swapping intakes and maybe even some heads too...He is getting some 4.11 gears a 3000 stall, and working with his timing...he doesnt think CAI or pulleys will help but I told him they will...oh well, he wont listen lol....he already has a full exhaust minus shortie headers, though he is grabbing a set of BBK's I believe.