Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

cobalt ss

2.2 liters about 240 real hp, not advertised 205

neon srt 4, again, more like 250 from the 2.4

pretty stout if you ask me.....

stu

I certainly agree. The only comparable motors I can think of is the 1.8T motors in the VW, I don't know there horsepower though. Also, I don't want to start a HP war here, I was just saying.

nick418

some four cylinders can haul ***. I wouldnt laugh. You can make any car fast

84RIceEater

yeah the neon srt4, my friend at school has them and we brought it to the track and it ran high 13's stock thats impressive. But what ever, they paid out the *** for it, when if we would drop the same amount of money will could have 11's or 12's plus nothing beats the sound of v8's.i dunno about you guys put i still will stay w/ what i got and beat the srt4's, 350z's, and supras. just a lil more work but at the end its all worth it.


P.s, their mod are expenive and ours are cheap.

FiveSeven

Well, take an L-98 thirdgen, not sure how much they were new but I'm guessing about 15k-20k. Stock 1/4 mile times are low-mid 14s, SRT-4 is about 20k with 1/4 mile times in high 13-mid 14 second range. Of course thirdgens and any car that has decreased in value over a period of time will be faster if you put that much money into one. You comparing a stock car to a built thirdgen that would have about 15k into it by your logic.

BTW, I agree with what your saying, if he wanted a fast car, thirdgen or fox-body would be his best bet. But maybe he wanted a new car that can perform very well stock. I don't know, just throwing ideas out there. I don't mean to start an agurement over this though .

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

They are like 19k. I wouldn't exactly call that breaking the bank seeing how the averge new price for a car is abround 17k. That is a freaking bargin for a car that runs 13's. Not to mention a few measly mods increases the power 3 fold on those things. Also, I am pretty sure driving a car that runs 13's with a warrenty makes those SRT guys sleep better than us at night.

You could drop the same amount of money into a 3rd gen and it would be fast but that is not the point. You cannot take out a 5 year $19k note so that you can mod your car. No one typically has 20k on hand to drop into a 3rd gen. The SRT-4 will be faster than any stock 3rd gen as it sits and won't need any maintenace before you start to mod it.

84RIceEater

yeah,
i do agree w/ all you guys. they are wonderful cars. w/ a warr. i am just saying that i would rather have a third gen and put that money into than having a new car stock.... ya know? THATS just my thought on the whole thing. I know thats not the most popluar vote on the whole debate. But i know what you guys are saying. i just thought i would put in my


Peace

stu

I prefer being the under dog myself. Otherwise it's not as fun. Well, maybe it is.

84RIceEater

There is no fun in just buying a car that is already done, and you gotta make payments..... well...............in less your rich daddy buys it for yah.
i rather take some thing and make it something and have the most important thing ......PRIDE in what i did .



or i could just be jealous.

84RIceEater

But i think that my cars windshild sayes it all.

Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

TTA owns SRT-4 LOL

yeah but i agree, no one really drops 10-20 grand into a car that often, especially a thirdgen.....

but dont worry, some time i will LOL

Psycho_91Camaro

Nice

Azure

Your sticker looks a bit off center, ***** eater.

84RIceEater

Azure "Your sticker looks a bit off center, ***** eater. "

What where you trying to say?
yeah i know the "r" is off a bit when the guy made it for me he placed it wrong on the computer or..... that was his exuse.

stu

Actually I think he means that the whole sticker is closer to the passenger side than driver's side.

82knightrider

iTrader: (1)

I think its center,maybe just the angle of the pic makes it look off center

I want one of those windshield banners.There

84RIceEater

I got it made at a sign shop, they custom made it.. it was like 24$

blacksheep-1

OK, try this on for size...
http://www.gtasourcepage.com/87GTA300ZXTest.html
let's compare apples to to apples
The difference between hot rodders and Rycers:
Hot rodder- buys a $400 dollar car, puts 5 grand into it and runs 10s
The Rycer- buys a 20,000 dollar car and puts another $20geez in it to run 10s.

Ok, so maybe a couple of guys got tinto the 10's for $2grand,
http://www.grmotorsports.com/2004dragonly.htm

stu

I thought you wanted to compare apples to apples? You should really start practicing when thousands of people aren't watching you. Seriously....


Anyway, this is what happens when you drop serious money into an import:

http://www.shepracing.com/videos/shep876.avi

http://www.shepracing.com/

Watch the videos and read the specs kids.

That's not a $20,000 car by the way. More like a $2,500 car.

stu

This just in. Here is a brand new better John Shephard video. I'll jump back on topic after this, promise:

http://vids.torquenstein.net/imv/ShepherdRacing.wmv

freestylzz

FEAR THIS!!!!!!!!!! (well, for some of yous )

stu

I'd take one.

nick418

i drove a 88 Honda Crx with a 1.5 liter automatic. Boy that thing is SLOW!

stu

Well of course it is.

kowboy59

iTrader: (8)

well that might be a 2500 dollar car, but the mods sure arent. i believe that some of our cars r prolly worth the 2500 with a crappy engine.

stu

How much do you think the mods are?

kowboy59

iTrader: (8)

its gotta be a lot more than wat the car is worth. the turbo itself is like 2000. then u gotta get the new trans. and w/e.

Inwo

...how much do you suppose a thirdgen's bluebook value is?

You'll never get your money back when you mod a car. It's money thrown away. You mod a car to go fast for your personal enjoyment or as a money making venture to promote your or other people's products. You don't mod it to 'increase its value' or some other sort of crazy idea.

I suppose by that thinking you might as well not put in that new engine in that old 82 v6 over there cause it's only worth $900? If so then racing is not for you.

stu

I <3 Inwo.

FbodTrek

Hows' this for cheap, 93 240sx, 800 bux. cold air, auto, KA24DE engine (2.4L). Full stainless exhuast that doesn't sound liek crap 150 bux (sounds kinda like a porsche stock). Turbo it 700 bux. Timeslip at 7 psi, mid 13's........ Okay now kids, tell me how much money that cost? Now, take the same crappy little Nissan (automatic no less) and spray it with a 75 shot....guess what happens? you guessed it! MID 13's also. Now, I LOVE my Camaro, it's got alot of tears and blood splattered all over it.... BUT, it can't hold a stick to my Nissan from a roll. Most thirdgens, fall on their face in upper rpms, it's just cause they weren't designed to. If a Honda Civic with a VTEC banner rolls up next to you, and you're driving a 305, or even a stock L98...you're gonna get owned. (Not froma dig mind you, the Honda wouldn't stand a chance). This is 100 percent FACT. V8's are for drag racing, imports are for rollin races (IMO). So, why not ahve both . PLus, the Nissan is RWD, so that helps feel less like a tool when racing it. oh yeah, and 30 mpg helps too

pvt num 11

Hey Stu - cool clips. I wonder how much boost he was running? Must have been a LOT... There was a Car Craft (or something like it) issue that had a street-legal Eagle Talon, AWD, running something on the order of 22 pounds of boost, ran tens and looked pretty nice. If I could choose an import, I'd probably do a 240SX also, as they're pretty cheap here and there's a lot of tuner shops that work on them - however, most of the modded ones I see are used mostly for drifting and are just a few sessions away from either being wrecked or falling apart... Nissan makes some cool cars, definitly better then Honda.

rx7speed

here is a story of going cheap though don't ask me how reliable
saw this in some mag they had an article on the guy
some guy was getting into racing using a miata. one of the older oneshe went to the junkyard found one of the newer ones with the larger motor in there took it out bolted it into his car. didnt open the lbock or anything. threw a bf turbo on there and gave it some more fuel. ran 10's. stock motor stock drivetrain stock mostly everything.


again don't ask me how relaible cause I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't but I will try to look around for the article but that is what I remember out of it

HawaiianRS

That is one thing I love about imports. For the most part they are wildly understressed from the factory. It's common to see power output doubled or even tripled with a stock drive train. 700hp through the stock tranny and rear end is fairly common in Supra's, not to mention stock bottom end as well try that with a T-5 or 700r4. As for that Miata, the early rear ends are a known weak link but a stock unit from the next gen should hold up fine. Ironically though, the earlier 1.6 is a physically stronger engine than the newer 1.8 he swapped in.
BTW I owned a CRX Si (Japan only ZC engine 135hp stock+mods)when I lived in Japan. They also sold a a SiR model that came with the 160hp B-16a, LSD, shorter gears etc...etc...
Sure they need a motor swap just like a 305 TBI does, but they shouldn't taken lightly. You can pick up a better engine for well under a grand which is in reach for most kids with after school jobs.
I'm surprised they don't get more repect, it's just distain for change and the new generation I guess. I remember when Harley guys bashed on Evo motors, and square headligts on a Jeep made you gay. Hell I'll go out on a limb and say Honda motors are the import version of the smallblock. Infinitley swappable, tunable and most important to young builders, cheaply available.
At least there are hordes of young people out there interested in building cars to enjoy, the sports not dead yet. And come on we've all seen the choads driving American iron with ACCEL an Edelbrock stickers covering the back window, hood scoop, and fat tires knowing they are sporting a stock motor with an automatic.
Hell I had to scrape stickers off my 305 car when I bought it.

pvt num 11

I'm thinking about taking the "OFFICIAL PACE CAR" stickers off the TTA, I get too much attantion when I drive it - everyone wants to out-pace the pace car! I stick all my speed-part stickers on my toolbox at work. "Yeah, my toolbox has a K&N filter, why?"

But to add to that, I can agree that the Honda is becoming the SBC (or SBF, for you Ford guys) for Imports. All sorts of crazy - and functional - mods that can be done on them.

CamarosRUS

fact is now that everyone is into cars all types of cars are getting modded, and they are all getting fast. you cant get any real power out of most import cars N/A simply due to the smaller displacement.

to really compete with anything than the "fast for the 80's but slow for the 90's camaros" in a [honda] you have to run FI, most notable turbo since thats the best power adder, period. stu has an extremly fast car and he has some nice boost to show for the speed.

but it all comes down to who has the faster car, sounds stupid but now that all cars are into the game that crx could be turbo defenitly but even an LS swap would give you a damn good run for your money because they are so damn small. granted your car isnt screaming either, its still fun to hold up traffic and line um up at a stop light, still never gets old to me


my 305 isnt slow but i wouldnt call it fast either (even though i tried to take on a new passat boosted to hell last night ) its capable of 8's and 13's if i can hook it and i will by the end of this season but im still scared of some crx's, civics, preludes, integras, etc. even though majority i come out with a nice gaping win.

FYI its a lot of driver...my friends h23 prelude SE (160hp 160 tq) with a CAI, full mandrel exhaust, and a dc header whooped up on this 5th gen lude (h22 engine...approx 220hp) at the track last night and ran 9.6 when the 5th gen lude ran 9.9 and my 305 took a nice little victory against this h22 civic that should have been much closer, its a lot driver.

TBI92Camaro

"95% of a race is the Driver skill."

Thats what was told to me a few years back by an older gentleman who owned a small mechanics shop. He was a street racer and even raced in NHRA sometimes and even won with his built and blown 67 Chevelle. Its just a simple fact, the Driver changes a race, its human error and uhman skills, your reaction times and most importantly, how far you are willing to push it. Heres a prime example.

My cousin last year had just got done swapping a 305 into his truck .The truck was an 87 S10, dark blue, AR Outlaw II's on it, big fat tires in the back. He had dropped in a 77 305 with stock heads, Torker II intake, and a very mild cam. He had to use stock mainifolds because of the clearance and it ran into a true dual exhaust. It sounded extremely sweet and was a blast to drive. It had a 700R4 with stock convertor and this thing shifted hard and quick. Always loved this truck.

anyways had been running my 92 RS down at the Valley all season and he says he wanted some. So I said lets run and I pulled away pretty bad in our race. I saw immediately the problem, because I knew that truck had alot more than a 10.44 pass in it. I asked why didnt he give it its all and he said because he didnt want to tear it up and that the itmes didnt matter, he was sitll faster....I said no, I AM FASTER, because I got the quicker time. Thats whats it all about. So, after much convincing, I took it out for one run. Took me forever to convince and he had the title to my RS in his hand if I tore it up. I got to the box and lit the tires up a little...well the "tire" as it was still the stock 2.8 rearend lol. Staged up, brake torqued the convertor up to 2000RPM and gaveit hell, manually shifted and everything and ran a 10.11. Then i bumped his timing up, gave the carb some more air and fuel, as it was starving for it. Then I got to the line and pulled a 10.00 pass. It was still starving for fuel, rear end was REALLY holding it back. and it needed headers. I told him gears, headers and getting some more fuel would net him some mid to low 9 passes (no joke). He didnt do it and sold the truck.


Anyways the import vs domestic debate is like the Ford vs Chevy debate...itll never die down. I personally am a chevy guy. I own a Ford Mustang because the 5.0 HO motor is well known for its popularity and ease of making quick, plus its cheap too. The import thing never caught on to me. The only imports I do liek and will ever consider owning would be a 1st Gen DSM AWD/Turbo, TT mid 90's RX7 and a Turbo 90's Supra. Reason being, they arent too hard to make fast as well. Ive always had a plce for the DSM's and still want one, because they can romp and roll with minor stuff. I still love my Camaro.....well kinda .....but I know that I can dump money into my 5.0 and keep getting faster or keep dumping money into a 305 and finally catch up to the Stang.

Bottom line is, everyone has preferences, whether it be Ford or Chevy, import or domestic, RWD or FWD...it dosnt matter, its what makes us all differant and keeps the Hot Rodding flame alive.

RS Chris

So whatever happened to the race?

Poncho Villa

CRX=Oompah Loompah car.

stu

So did it take you just over three months to write all that? lol


Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Poncho Villa

Check out my editing skills...

P.S. Read about a fourth gen that will match or beat the Shep Talon--8.5 sec quarter mile, all stock too with full power, supercharged with NOS, 1200+hp. You can make anything go fast, even a Yugo. Know a guy that had a Pacer that could do wheelies, but who cares.

Most Hondas cannot beat a thirdgen, period, roll on or not, unless heavily modded. And mod for mod, the V8 will win every time. I have disposed of a VTEC personally, and it was way too easy, and I'm a stock TBI. Good hunting.

Check out pic, not my car, yet...found on another thread, very cool.