My step brother just moved in with me and we've been talking about cars a lot lately. He's a Camaro guy so he rags on me for having a Trans Am. He says my LT1 isn't even worth working on. He claims to have had an 88 Iroc that ran 10's on slicks. I know for a fact that this car was worked. Nothing was stock on this car except for the interior, that much is true. He says it was a carbureted 383 stroker that he set up from a 1990 Vette block. He told me that the last time he ran it on the dyno, it ran about 385 horsepower to the wheel but i'm not sure about the torque #'s. How would this be possible? A 3,500lb car with that kind of power would only be running 12's wouldn't it? It was an auto with a shift kit and i think he said a 3,400 stall. I'm not too familiar with stall convertors so i might be off slightly. I know that LS1's put down about 300 horsepower to the wheels and usually run mid 13's. How could 85 horsepower make that much of a difference?

 

Either he's talking out his posterior, or he was running on a 1/8 mile track.

 

Maybe he left out the fact he is on nitrous.............

 

He hates nitrous with a passion. He says it makes it too easy. I kind of agree. I'd love to race someone that was arrogant and sure they were going to beat me and then realized their bottle was empty. It's great for the track but i think it's stupid for the street, unless of course there's money involved. He claims it was N/A. He had tons of work done to it but 10's seem impossible. He'd need what? 550-600 horsepower to run 10's? Not to mention amazing traction. I immediately called BS but he used to have tons of connections through friends at speed shops that would literally give him parts for nothing. Allegedly he had almost $30,000 into that car as he owned it for about three years and dumped every paycheck into that car.

 

nitrous isn't cheating :-p


but I still find the guy your talking about full of bs

385hp running 10's isn't going to happen unless his traction as like instagrip and his car weighs about as much as a go cart

 

dude w/ the rx7...... why do you like being in a third gen site? if you won a mazda. did u once have a third gen? no disrespect just a qustion because you are a senior member. just kinda diffrent to see around here.

Thanks

 

ps. you like my spelling skills

 

Your friend is an idiot. He is not running 10's with 385 hp. If he has 385 hp tell him a simple cam swap with nothing else will have you at the same mark. Tell him you don't ever need to upgrade the intake or use another set of heads. A stage 2 port job with the right cam and tuning is a 450hp NA combo. Oh, don't forget that you will never get less than 28mpg stock and 20 with 400+hp. Sounds like you are winning the hp per $ ratio there. Some people just get absorbed in what they own and speak negativly about others combos. I am sure his car was a low 14 high 13 second car stock too right? No potential for a car that traps 100 to 102 stock? Please.

 

no disrespect taken and I'm actually thankfull you didn't come off like some do just chewing me out right off the bat.


but it all started a few years back when one of my best friends was living here with his 91 rs with the v6. I was trying to get some information and he pointed me in this direction and since I owned a 71 camaro myself figured I would enjoy it. well as time went on I learned a little about his car and helped him out with a few things and ended up liking the people here ( well most of them, like any forum there are always a few ****** ) and started talking to a few of them. ended up finding a few thirdgeners here in my area so tried to organize a few small meets so the locals can get to know one another. also ended up meeting another friend who to this day we are still good friends and he actually just dropped me off at home after towing my rx7 over to his house till I can get it running again.... hence the proud owner of a new honda in my sig...

I stick around though try to read to learn about the cars and help out when I can or at least give my idea on things if nothing else. also the ones that come here to troll or just to start trouble it's always fun to toy with them and so forth.


but all in all this is one of my favorite forums and I have even come here for help on my own car... shhhh... and the members have been willing to give me a hand as I would be willing to do to them if needed


hope that answers it if not I can go further

 

So as you can see, he's just jealous of all us REAL third gen owners.

OWNERS UNITE!

 

This thread has taken a detour

 

first what happened to your post count. when did you get off probation and what do you own a thirdgen now?



and stu do you have a name you use for AIM or msn? I wouldn't mind talking to you about a few things if your willing to help out

 

ya don't C5 Z06's come with 405 hp and weigh about 3100 lbs correct? And I think they run mid/high 12's with street radials so how could that 88 iroc run 10's?

 

you sure it was 385 to the wheels?? LOL sounds like a solid high 11 sec car with traction and if it was lightened somewhat

405hp Z06 has gone high 11's stock but most run low 12's if driver is good. they are quick!

 

hey i better not be one of those ******

 

Prepped right 385rwhp could get you VERY close to 10s.

But a lot things would have to fall into place.

If the car was lightened several hundred pounds, had a good drivetrain setup (high stall TC, optimal gearing, excellent suspension setup and traction), you could run low 11s or high 10s with that much power. Trap speed would be a little low. I've seen cars run high 10s with as little as 120mph, full throttle the whole run.

Chassis dyno numbers differ between types of dynos. DynoJets are the most common, and produce some favorable numbers, while Mustang dynos commonly show roughly 10-15% lower numbers than a DynoJet. So if that 385rwhp run was a Mustang dyno, a DynoJet might show over 420rwhp.

 

I have a friend that has a pure drag 89 camaro, fully tubbed, all kinds of stuff I can't pronounce and he runs a 9.88. And has a dyno for 631hp out of a 400 small block.

I just can't see it happening but I am no expert!

 

Alright, i casually brought it up again tonight.
ME: "Mike, how in the hell did you have a Camaro with 385 horsepower that ran 10's?"
HIM: "It had 385 the 2nd time i had it dyno'd. The third (and final time before he sold the car) it had 489 horsepower to the wheels (and i can't remember exactly what number but high 400's in ft-lbs)."
He says it was on slicks and he snapped two driveshafts. It was carbed so it didn't have the lack of top end pull that TPI cars are known for. I'd still love to own a 3rd gen with an LT1 or and LS1 with some weight reduction done and some nice big brakes added.

 

current fastest bolt-on only(no head or cam, no internal mod) runs a 10.96 on 332whp. josh hurts 2000 t/a runs a 6.77 1/8 mile(roughly a 10.50 in the 1/4 mile) on a 1.4 60 foot making "only" 392whp and wieghing 3300lbs. these are both daily driven street cars. these are only examples of what is possible.

 

Nice......would nitrous be considered a bolt on?

 

yes but not in the case of the cars i just noted.

 

oh, dang thats good then

 

how is it possible to run..10.50 in the 1/4 mile with just bolt ons? That is what you just sayed right?

 

someone brought up a point that dyno's measure differently

like a dynojet is higher numbers than a car would be on a mustang dyno.

so 370rwhp is more like 450 on a dyno jet or something?

 

A full bolt on LS1 can put down 360 to the wheels. If you gut the car and get it down to 2700lbs or so conbined with some serious traction it is possible.

 

so, does the car REALLY weigh 3500 lbs anymore?

 

no i listed 2 cars, one is a bolt-on car that weighs 3200 w/ driver and runs 10.96 with 330whp, and the other is a cam only car that runs 10.5 with 392whp.

 

Fishy.......

 

Right, see my post above. I've never had my car on a DynoJet before, but I have had it on a Mustang Dyno for carb tuning. Initially I was VERY disappointed in the numbers, but the shop told me of the difference between the 2. I only put down 255rwhp. The shop techs told me a DynoJet run would show just under 300rwhp.

 

how much does it cost to put a car on the dyno? there is a shop down the road from me, but i havn't got the chance to ask .. ppl told me that it was sumthing like 150$ an hour but... how long does it take to dyno a car?

 

ignorance is the reasoning behind your post.......

 

Oh is it? Or are you making stuff up, to make it look like you know what you are talking about?

 

I got a great deal through a friend. He was tuning his 7 second turbo 306 Mustang and had to leave for an emergency. He was paid in advance, and told me I could use the remainder of his time. The shop obliged, and I got 4 runs in just under an hour, messing with the tuning in between pulls. In my case, it was worth it. I "found" another 7rwhp with just metering rod and timing changes!

 

tight.. do they help you out in tuning the car? or are you in there basically by your self?

 

It depends if you just want a full pulls or if you want a full blown dyno tune. $120 or so will usualy get you 3 pulls on a dyno. Some shops charge more and some charge less. They dyno the car for you but to nothing to tune it unless you ask them. You can tweak it yourself in between pulls. If you want a full out dyno tune they run the car repeatedly on the dyno while watching a live data feed. They make corrections and re-tune until the power is dialed in. This can cost anywhere from $300 to $700 depending on the skill of the shop.

 

do you know how much power the fastest bolt on ls1 makes? do you know how fast it runs? you are ignorant. you know nothing that is concrete, you only know what you have heard or read, which is myth. before you discount the facts i posted, why dont you research it and then reply to my post? then you would not be another one of the mindless fools posting about what you say can not happen, when in fact it has been done many times. the only reason you doubt what i say is because it goes against what you have read/heard, and not from your personal experiance. if you believe that you already know all possibilitys, then you should retire from this site and find a home amongst the enlighened ones.........knowledge never ends, people simply give up learning new information.