Took the cars to the track a few weekends ago and met a buddy who brought his STI as well. it's slightly modded with a bov, boost controller, k&n and maybe exhaust.
he was only running 4 more psi than stock because his comp wouldn't allow anything more though :/

very nice car and I was dieing to try my luck against him.

finally on our second run I weasled my way beside him, we gave thumbs up and I did a long burnout on my avon ZZ1's
we line up and both launch hard. he cuts a 1.9 60' to my 2.0..
we stay side by side for about .200 seconds then I start pulling HARD. I get the end of teh track with him a solid 5 cars back. I ran a slower than usual 13.4 to his slower than usual 14.2.

Fortunatly we got to line up again, this time my burnout wasn't quite as good, I spin badly throught first and second pedaling the foot trying to hook up. he jumps 3 cars on me till about half track when I start reeling him in, unfortunatly it wasn't enough to get past him and he beat me with a 13.9 to my 14.2
Hope to race him again and break the tie!

fun races! also ran my buddies 5.0 ranger with afr heads, 303cam, longtubes, upper and lower intakes, 2400 stall, transgo kit. got him by 1.6 seconds due to his traction issues.

Also ran an SRT 4 with a 60hp(or something) shot of nitrous, he had good mph by was stuck in the 15's with launch issues

It was a fun weekend of racing. going back this weekend with better tires and a bit less weight. I would love a 13.1 but we'll see.

 

Nice job on those races man, good kill. Wow an SRT only hitting 15s. I would say thats some issues!

 

Sounds like you have a solid performer on your hand. A little traction and practice should have you netting consistant low 13's on every pass.

 

The STi only ran a 13.9? He needs to visit the track more.

 

arent those low 13 second cars, they rape me on the street, some reg. wrx for that matter..

 

My buddy ran a 13.9 at my altitude in his when it was completely stock. My other friend who is an amazing driver hit a 13.6 on his when it was stock. At sea level it should be about .5 seconds faster. Although the poster might be at high elevation.

 

Are those street tires? If so, dont do a burnout at all you are killing your traction...I only did a little 2 or 3 spin then rolled to thel ine. DR's or slicks are the only things that benefit from big burnouts.

The STi sounded slow indeed, he should have been low 13's easily, those are mean *** little cars.

SRT4 osunds like he's having big troubles. on the juice he should have been consistant mid 13's...stock they run low 14's no problem.

Thje ranger, you say 303cam....lol which one? theres the f-303, b-303, e-303, x-303, etc......With AFR heads, he should be using a custom gorund cam, not some regularo ld alphabet series motorsport cam......a custom cam owuld help those AFR's flow alot better. Not to mention getting a good rearend/tire combo to help it hook. I know my old V8 S10 would have massive traction issues and it was only a 305.

 

yea we are high up with bad air at our track.

everyone is usually about a second slower than sea level it seems.
stock STI's run low 14's
stock LS1's run 14.0's
the new SVT SC cobras run mid 13s...

my buddy ran 14.2's i think before his boost controller, now his best is a 13.7 in his STI

buddies ranger has the e303 cam. he bought the shortblock built with the cam and forged flat top pistons etc, then now just added the heads. hopefully he can tune in more power out of it.
he's running the mustang Mass air EFI with it. any suggestions on tweaking it without talking to the computer?

 

Yup....does he have an Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator (AFPR)? If not, invest in one, they will help in tuning. also, does he have bigger injectors? Upgrading to at least 24# injectors with the proper MAF unit (Pro-M makes real nice ones) will help out quite a bit but I suggest 30# injectors with the proper MAF because the AFR's liek to flow big time. Then if he is N/A and running 93 octane, bump the timing up to around 14* and that gives some power. What kind of rear end is he running? tires? posi or peg leg?

What kind of intake is he running? Cobra/GT40/Explorer? Trickflow? Edelbrock?

Get a better cam with a custom grind from Comp Cams or Lunati in there!!!

 

Your buddy with the STI is a dork. Period. That's why he is running so slow. Why? He added mods to his car that will make him slower.

Stock STIs have a recirculating Blow Off Valve. Replacing the BOV on an STI is the dumbest thing to do. Period. We make fun of all the stupid people on our forums who do this. Why is it stupid? Replacing the stock BOV with an aftermarket 'vent to atmosphere' BOV will cause the car to run extra rich between shifts. This really slows things down bigtime.

Pumping up the boost by 4lbs with a manual boost controller? ROFL. Yea, great job buddy. Tell him to get Cobb's StreetTUNER and tune it for real. No UTEC, no XEDE. Pumping up the boost without fuel, exhaust, and ignition changes won't do that much. I know, because I have been doing this for awhile now. I have a wideband O2 running full time on my STI along with EGT ... and I log this data a lot. Stock STIs will run 9:1 AFRs with 14.5 psi of boost. This AFR is total crap. Your buddy is still running total crap without Engine Management. Furthermore, the stock ECU tops out at about 2.90 load. With 18.5psi I hit 3.25 load. He's running dangerous right now. Period. Just plain stupid.

If you want to run higher boost you MUST start with the exhaust. 17psi is about the limit for a stock exhaust ... and that is really pushing it (IMHO) because the stock system has 2 cats. If you go a TBE route then you can get away with 18.5psi midrange. However, the VF39 on the STI will taper bigtime. Anything more than 18.5 in the midrange then your backpressure before the turbo will be too high AND you will be outside the efficiency range of the turbo in the upper RPMs.

Tell him to put the stock BOV back on and remove the Manual Boost Controller. Get a full Turbo Back Exhaust and then add real Engine Management (ECUTek, StreetTUNER, or Hydra). Run 18.5psi midrange tapering to 15.5psi at redline (you'll need a wastegate helper spring to hit 15.5psi at redline but it is still within the efficiency range of the turbo). Run 10.9:1 AFR at peak torque and lean it out to 11.3:1 at redline (so long as the EGTs look good). Finally add a GM or Perrin boost control solenoid in order to make spoolup happen quicker while holding more boost longer. Last thing - if he has the K&N Typhoon shortram intake then tell him to remove it. It's a hot air intake even though it has that 'separator'. Multiple tests by various individuals have shown that the intake draws in super hot air when sitting still. The STI has 3 dynamic advance tables in the ECU and it will result to running LESS ignition advance when the Intake air temperature is hot. The STOCK air intake system is a cold air intake system. Yea, some people have shown a 12hp gain with the typhoon on a dyno ... but the hood was open and they were blowing cold air onto the filter. Totally stupid test.

I'm not surprised he ran so slow. I hate it when people don't know how to mod their cars ... because it screws up the impression that other people have of the cars. Furthermore, a 1.9 60ft??? ROFL! He should have had a 1.7 at least. That would have taken 3 car lengths off of the 5 you mentioned. The rest would EASILY have been made up with modding the car the way it is suppose to be modded.

... sorry to bore you thirdgen guys with STI tech. But, I loved tech when I had my thirdgen ... and, as you can see, I still love it and still love ECM tuning

Tim

 

TRAXION...

tried to send you a personal message but no luck...

can you please tell me what the guy in the conv z was running in your 11.66 run? the guy pulled a 12.99 and you left the poor guy.

sorry for hijacking the thred.

 

FWIW, that car is capable of running 12.1's. It is a quick car. However, on that run there was a different driver in the driver's seat and he didn't do so well. He was still in the 12's on that run, but definitely not even close to a 12.1.

That car is a 406 with AFR heads, a HOT Cam, a SuperRam, and the usual stuff (headers, bigger TB, etc). The car was built for torque and not really for bigger HP. The owner wanted a car that would only have to rev to 5500 to make power ... and that car does it extremely well. It has a crapload of torque. If he would put in a different cam and a different intake then it would be a monster and easily run in the 11's ... but, it does what it was intended to do: Lots of Torque and power in a reliable "rev it to 5500" package. Keep in mind that the biggest wear and tear on motors besides the startup is the RPMs. The higher the RPMs the more wear and tear and the stronger you have to build the car. FWIW, that convertible gets a good deal of road-race action and it has been very reliable and pretty darn quick out of the corners ... although I hear the owner now has a BMW for that

Tim

 

Tim,

thanks for the info. 406? yeeehaaaa!! sounds like a REAL nightmare on the street.

does he have a roll bar and if so where did he get it?

after this i promise to leave the thread alone.

 

Yes, it does have a rollbar. He built it himself

Tim

 

Tim,

Good to see you are still alive. I'm starting to put down some good power with my car and need to order some ET streets soon to make it hook. My buddy with a STI is doing the same stupid stuff as the one posted. His first mods was a HKS SSQV and i told him it was a complete waste of money. Atleast i talked him to a full exhaust though.

 

Yes, I have said this plenty of times myself... j/k

 

The newer STI's came with 300 horsepower engines that ran 13.2's. Check it out. My buddy had an STI a few years back. Let me tell you they are fast little bastards. The car sticks to the road like a race car,handles awesome[better than any anything I ever drove.. I was very surprised what those little 4-bangers can do.

http://www.fast-autos.net/subaru/04subarusti.html

 

my neighbors' STi just ran a 12.83... and thats at 4500 feet here in SLC..

 

Every STi that's ever been released in the state has had 300 hp.

 

2002 Subaru Impreza WRX STi had 265 hp.

 

Hmmm, I must be losing my edge.

 

No, you are not. Your comment is correct. Every STI released here in the states has had 300hp. The key here is 'released in the states'. The only STIs released in the states started in 2004. There were no STIs ever released in the states prior to 2004. In any case, the first ever United States STI had the 2.5L motor with 300hp/300tq. Other STIs released in other locations across the world had the 2.0L and made less overall power. However, with the 2006 model year, the 2.5L motor is being put in more and more non-US spec. cars. They are even putting the 2.5L shortblock in the standard WRX (it's already in the forester turbo and legacy turbo).

Again, just to keep the power potential of this car known ... with the addition of ONLY a full exhaust and an ECU reprogram, these cars can put down 300-310hp to the wheels and 315-350tq to the wheels. Keep in mind that this is in an all wheel drive package that will be 200-400lbs lighter than a thirdgen.

The problem with STIs is that you have to be a good driver to make this car perform. If you can't bang the gears hard and quick ... then you will drive slow. Furthermore, due to the price of this car, I have come to realize that a lot of older people own these cars and that a large amount of these people actually don't drive it hard, don't know how to drive it hard, and don't really race it as it needs to be raced. If your foot isn't to the floor on this car OR if you don't know how to launch it OR if you don't bang the gears like an idiot ... then the car just won't be that fast.

Now, with all of that said ... if I were forced to give up my STI there is A LOT more I would miss about this car then what I have missed about my beautiful 11-sec '90 IROC. The only thing I have missed about the IROC is the torque. I haven't really missed much else. The STI has too many things to mention about how awesome a ride it is. The only thing I would gladly give up with the STI is the huge freaking picnic bench (wing) on the trunk. But, I am of the breed that doesn't invest in modifications for the 'looks' of a car. Just like paying $$$ to put a wing on an F-Body is stupid .... I won't pay $$$ to remove a wing. That money is better invested in performance parts.

Tim

 

Such as? I helped a good buddy of mine build his 95 Mitsu-AWD-GSX, and although I've run the best time with it at the track.... I feel the exact opposite as you. It's like driving a hopped up sewing machine (despite how fast we got her to go, the absence of torque simply takes the fun out of it).

Sure, his GSX handles like there's no tomorrow, but that's about the only edge it has over the F-Body (but then we can always argue, as we all have done so already in the past, that the F-Body can be modded to handle just as good)...

Seriously, other than you're STI's AWD, what else, besides gas mileage... does it possibly have over, lets say, a 2002 WS6 (lets keep it fair, 'year' wise)?

After the stock heads get worked, the T-Rex cam, stall speed converter, intake and full exhaust... the only edge an STI has over my 98, is it's handling. Top speed, the STI loses. Quarter mile, I'll run just as fast as it, naturally aspirated. Handling, well, if I so choose to go that route, I can get it to handle with the best of them. Exhaust tone wise, the STI loses. Body wise, the STI loses. T-Top & Convertible wise, the STI loses. Torque wise, the STI loses. Boost wise, hey I can boost mine too.

... gas mileage wise, STI wins.

 

Id take a WS6 over an STI any day of the week. American Muscle all the way. Very fast car,awesome handleing,loud rumble,and rear wheel drive+325hp= long roasty burn outs. You cant go wrong. Plus I think the 00-02 WS6 are the baddest looking cars around.

 

Street Lethal,

First, if you ask me 'why' then you can't say 'besides this and this and that'. Those are part of the reasons . Second, I am at a different point in my life than I was before ... different things matter now.

STI:
1) The absolute biggest thing for me: I can drive it all the time, year round. For me this means I get to enjoy a performance car every freaking day of my life. No, I could not do this with the camaro. It is more than just snow (or the chance of snow) ... or a really bad rain (or the chance thereof). It is also about driving my car to work, dinner with the wife, or with 2 kids on board, or the whole family on board, etc.

2) The Camaro was not only obnoixious, but the stench from the exhaust (due to cam overlap) was so horrible that it would be impossible to go to a meeting at work with my clothes infested like that. That was cool when I was like 25. But, at 34 it's just annoying. The STI is driveable anywhere ... and as soon as the wing gets removed it won't look like a freaking hot wheels car (which is my biggest complaint).

3) Safety. Excellent crash test results, front and side impact airbags, crumple zones, 4-channel ABS, etc. Nice. Why is this important? I have 2 car seats in my car for the 2 kids.

4) 4-doors. See #3 above. I have 2 kids I transport in my car.

5) Brakes. No comparison. 4-piston front calipers with 13" rotors along with a huge rear setup ... all with ABS.

6) Smaller. Smaller performance cars are more fun for me ... easier to drive too.

7) Fit and finish. My STIs fit and finish is light years ahead of the camaro. Keep in mind that my F-body only had 30K miles on it.

8) HID headlights. Once you have them, you will never go back. Driving at night is amazing with HIDs.

9) Handling. Nothing need more be said here (and my camaro had some very nice upgrades).

10) 17 x 8 wheels ... FORGED aluminum. Light, light, light. Rotating tires is a BREEZE compared to handling the F-Body wheels/tires.

11) Easier to work on. Yes, that's correct. So far this car is easier to work on. Tuneups are easier, etc. Everything is right there and in it's correct place. No AIR hoses in the way or AC Crap blocking stuff, etc. Oh yea, it is extremely nice having AC in my performance car again.

12) It appears legal. The camaro was a beast and the smell alone would get the popo's attention.

13) Almost forgot! 1.7 60FT TIMES ON THE STREET ON STREET TIRES IS FEAKING AWESOME!

I bet there is more. But, that's where it stands now. Could I have turned my Camaro into a better car? Sure. Replace the cam with something more docile, put catalytic converters on the car, put the AC back in, etc. But, then the car wouldn't be an 11 sec naturally aspirated terror ... and it wouldn't have the safety ... and it wouldn't have the 'child features' ... and it wouldn't be able to be driven year round. Full throttle everyday is fun.

Again - different point in my life. At 25 this car was my ideal. When I got it done at 33 ... I realized I had outgrown what I originally wanted. Would I still like to have it? Sure. The car was a beast and fun. I just don't want to drive a beast everyday of my life (not that I could do that anyhow with THAT car). I can get the STI into the 11's with a turbo upgrade putting down about 380whp - and still have everything I like about it listed above. It will still be docile and fun and safe and family friendly and be able to be driven year round.

The biggest thing here is that I am at a different point in my life than most who will be making this comparison. Since this is a thirdgen board there are fairly young people here ... not married, no kids, etc. Things change once these happen (especially the 'kids' part and nobody - NOBODY can understand this until it happens to them). Plus, I like safety. I know people with Camaros who drive them in the snow and transport their kids in them, etc. However, I don't agree with that. A camaro shouldn't be driven in the snow ... and it's definitely not a very safe ride to be regularly be transporting your children. For those who say 'have your camaro and another car for daily driving' ... been there, done that. That's what I was doing previously. See #1 above. Driving an econo car everyday is frackin' boring.

Those who know me well - also know that I will once again have a thirdgen I love these cars. Heck, I am still on this site and still help plenty of people out with regard to thirdgen stuff. It will just be a little while before it happens again. However, my next thirdgen will be a little different. It will be a pure race car.

t

 

I would get rid of my camaro in a second if i had the chance to get an STi....The only thing is im a big guy so I dont even know if I could wedge into one.

 

I hate when people use reasons like looks and sound to compare cars. Those are just opinion based factors. You might as well say that the Camaro has a better paint job or something. I think a lot of the problem is this is a sight full of mostly kids who haven't had the chance to drive something new and actually nice. I'd take an STi over most Ferrari's that were built in the 80's let alone some junk box Camaro.

 

Hey dont get me wrong an STI is a great performance car. I had a buddy who had one it out handled anything I ever drove and would beat my camaro in a straight line any day. The car sticks to the road like a true race car. I was just stating my opinion. I was not trying to offend anyone. I just like Camaros and FireBirds alot better. I am picky about cars I dont like how STI's look. Alot of people love how they look. That doesnt bother me one bit They are a great car for the money, I just prefer something along the lines of a Camaro SS,Iroc,Z28, or a WS6, or even an SVT. Not talking about junk boxes. American cars suit me better. Just my opinion......... Ive driven an 04STI,96Vette,01WS6,03Mustang GT,86 IrocZ,and my 89 Iroc Z...... So I have driven a bunch of nice cars in the past not all mine but still got to test them out.

 

I cant post some pictures of my cars to prove they are not "Junk Boxes" if you would like lol

 

I just have to use vocabulary like that some times to keep some people in check when they forget that no Camaro, ever, was more than just some throw away toy. Most cars are though, especially the ones I drive.

P.S. For the record, the car that I think sounds the best, and looks the best, is the one that wins. If you don't agree with that, you're not an enthusiast, just an elitiest. *Which is a funny word to even use on a Camaro board.

 

Its a more expensive car so it should win.

 

You're joking right? Seriously, you ARE joking right?

 

First off, I don't remember addressing 'you' Stu, second;

Opinion based factors? Kindly remove you're head from out of you're rear, as it is these very "factors" that make most Exotics cost well into the six figure category. From a male (hehe) perspective, it's like comparing Oprah Winfrey to Nicolette Sheridan.

By the way, exactly 'what' do you think would happen if Mitsubishi were to design an all new, two door, "3000GT" similarly shaped EVO? They would obviously raise the price tag. So yes, "looks and sounds" do matter....

This is speculation on you're part, and it underlines you're ignorance. You're simply assuming. I can honestly care less what 'you' think I've driven, or haven't driven, but believe me when I tell you, I've driven more high buck, and even more nine second strip cars, than you could ever dream of....

Car's, like clothes, usually fits the personality of the owner.... and for you to pick an STI over a Ferrari "from the 80's", says a lot about you. Tell me, do you go to bed wearing you're pocket protector too?

 

What do new STI's go for like$30,995 or somthing. For all that money it should out perform any Stock third gen car with no problem at all, and it should be a better performer than the 4th gens as well. Look at the technology put into the STI. An 00-02 WS6 or SS should give it a good run for its money in a straight line maybe even win if it gets the hole shot. You seem like a little ***** lol.

 

Hey Stu what do you drive anyway?

 

Forget what he drives, why is he here? Your always touting imports. If no camaro was ever more than a junk box, why is it considered legendary? I work next to an exotic car dealership (bently,ferrari,lambo etc) where people line up to see the ZL1 camaros. No one will remember a subaru years from now, no one will ever restore an STI and no one will ever save one for their kids. It's a great car, its ugly, its got 20 plus years of engineering on any third gen, it costs far more than any thirdgen and they still lose to "junkboxes"

 

reading through this I got I thought this was a 3rd gen f-body site

well, I sold my pride and joy formula which was very very fast and I was going to leave the f-bodys for good or until I could get a TTA. however I got sucked back in almost right away when I was just about given another formula

now there are things I don't like about the thirdgens and well same goes for EVERY car made. I can say that my opinion is that the 3rd gens are one of the best looking cars ever made (along with a short list of other cars) but, I would not go to an import site and start talking and calling there honda's "cheap junk boxes" to beonest I don't care for most imports and don't go to the sites. going to a a specific site just to bash on those cars seems alot like a homophobe beating up gays (hidding something?)

every car is made for a specific market. and for muscle I perfer the domestics

now for a nice driver with some class. I would skip the lincons cadillacs and go right to BMW, I have worked on and driven may many cars and I can say I perfer the BMW over all of them even the benz but, agin that is my opinion. clearly every one has there own

 

With all due respect to Traxion and his fast new STI car. It takes a lot of power to get 1.7 60's up here. nothing stock has achieved such, that i know of. my friends stock syclone which supposedly can do 1.6's could only manage high 1.9's..
maybe track prep issues?
my friends STI isn't the only one stuck in the 14's in stock trim either.


I've ridden in the STI's and it seemed rougher and more 'racey' than my stock 87, where's the sound deadening? loud loud for such a new car. although my modded 82 still wins in the clunkyness/loud factor lol. When they first came out, I was impressed with them and liked their look, even with the huge wing. However in my city they are much too common, and much too pricey. One monthly payment on those is worth more than my initial purchase of the 82!
The main attraction to the thirdgen is it's rarety, its ability to look like a muscle car, but be sleek like a modern sports car.
Their relative ease on making them perform and suprise those new car owners expecting to spank everyone in their pricey vette/cobra/etc

 

hmmm,

first, i must say i cannot fault ANYONE who has owned a 3rd gen and got it to hit 11s!!! and still be streetable. the guy has paid his dues and is entitled to his opion. period.

second, seems to me cars are like women. they come in different shapes and sizes and we all know variety is the spice of life. ENJOY LIFE!! (TRAX sure seems to be)

good luck with your new car TRAIXON and be sure to let us in on your "race car" when you get it.

ps maybe you can use the wing for shade on a sunny day.

 

why is it that every post about another persons car or import, or exotic becomes a pissing contest on this board. if you have a car, be thankful that it will get you from point A to B. And if you like your car, why should you have to defend it? Sheesh, its like i'm in elementary school again.

 

I moved and didn't have internet for a while. This thread got way out of hand. Don't think that when I say that a Camaro is just a junk box car (for the most part it is) that I'm coming here just to trash on Camaros. That's not the case at all. What I've left unsaid, is that most cars are just built for transportation and aren't anything special. It's not that I'm targeting Camaros to trash on them, it's that this is a Camaro board, and that's what we talk about here.

Street Leathal: You are hands down the worst at arguing a point I've ever seen, you should be embarassed of your attempts to insult me.

Jer82Z28: Third gens rare? Hahahahhaha. Come on now.

To who ever asked, I drive a Honda. It's slow, it doesn't handle well, it doesn't look nice, the stereo sucks, the brakes are inadequate for a car its size, and I want to shoot myself in the face every time I have to drive it. Don't bother labeling me as someone who thinks that what I have is better than what you have, because to be honest, it's not better than what anyone has.

Further, if it will make the daycare fell better, I'll stop calling Camaros junk boxes, and come up with a more fitting name for them. Something along the lines of, 'unless you waited 9 months to get one that they only made 1,500 of, you are just kidding yourself if you think it's a super speacial car.'

And last, I'd like to remind everyone that I LOVE Camaros. My friend from a few years ago had a '97 SS Hendricks edition. My roommate now has a 2002 (I think) Z28. We were just tearing *** around in it last night. Have a good day.

 

STIs hit 1.7's easily here. I am about 500ft above sea level.

STIs aren't BMWs. They have less sound deadening than any other Subaru. If I wanted something devoid of exterior noise I wouldn't be interested in sports cars.

Money money money. I hear this all the time. So many times I hear "For the money you paid for that car you could have built a thirdgen that would be much much faster, handle better, and stop better". Duh. Tell me something I don't know. Fact is, 1) it still wouldn't be AWD with great safety ratings 2) It still would be 2 doors and I wouldn't carry my kids in it 3) I still couldn't/wouldn't be able to drive it every day year round 4) It still would be sketchy getting through emissions 5) BIG ONE: I am paying for the STI over 4 years. It's not like that much money just plants itself into your lap so you can build a super cool thirgen 6) Like I have the time to build a super neato mosquito thirdgen with a 8 month old, a 3 year old, a new house, and a wife who works and takes graduate courses? Not. 7) What do I drive and transport the kids in while I build this crazy cool thirdgen?

STI - year round, safe, docile, fast, and kid friendly. I just got back from a 4 hour trip going through the mountains in Virginia. Sweet. Oh yea, kids in the back, wife in the front, trunk fully loaded, and LOTS of rain falling on the way there. No problem and no worries. No thirdgen would ever give me that piece of mind. Scratch that, it's not just piece of mind. It's a fact. An STI is safer. Period.

t

 

Agreed, some people just forget about the fact that the STI is a much more practical car than the old IROC. I made the switch from the Z28 to Supra for other reasons but the STI and Evo would of definitely top my list if i had a family and needed to get around time in any kind of weather. It just makes perfect sense for Tim, so obviously other people have different priorities so it doesn't apply to everyone or make the best choice for everyone. Everyone is looking for something to fit their needs, and the STI does just that for Traxion.

 

Very true...In my case I have a Jeep to drive in bad weather. If someone wants a car they can drive year round do not get a Camaro! Terrible in the snow, also the snow eats out the body of the third gens. So an Sti would be a good example of a round year car since its all wheel drive. My car suits me perfect for now. Some day I would like to get an 02 WS6 but the price is a little steep as of now.

 

Well, as mentioned above... it would be a much more practical (and fair) comparison with an 02-WS6. If you're going to compare an old 80's IROC to an import, compare one with a Mitsubishi Conquest.

Nobody is questioning Tim's switch, as if it fits his needs.... then we're absolutely all for it. Just don't try and sell us on the idea that the STI is a better car, especially 'on' an F-Body website, cuz it's not.

As for switching to the Supra, hey, whatever floats you're boat. Remember though, that just because you yourself only got so far with you're Z28.... doesn't mean that 'that's' as far as it can go.

If Tim is happy, then we are happy. Just as long as you don't forget you're roots, Tim. But judging by you're future plans to build an all out F-Body, that would be impossible....

 

Thats not what i meant, but anyway. The STI was is a 4dr car with AWD. Its better for transporting children around than the camaro safely in inclement weather whereas the IROC wasn't. Its also a much more civil car than than his old IROC or a 02 WS6.



I wouldn't try to sell anyone on the idea the STI is a better car, because every car has its niche.

I accomplished what i wanted with my Z28, so i moved on to a new project car. End of story with that.

I'm happy with my switch and will never forget my roots. If it wasn't for working on my first car, i wouldn't have half the knowledge i do now.

 

I fully understand the practicality aspect. I got through 2 "Adult" winters in my camaro before i bought a more practical car (truck in my case) When i was in college and for years after i suffered with my 84. Once i bought it back and began my buildup It was a bitch keeping in on the road and reliable through all the upgrades. Now it's my toy, not how i get to work. Much more fun this way!

 

How so?

What are you even talking about here?

 

This thread is

 

Stu, you're words are that of an empty and plastic nature. "What am I talking about", "How so", Is there some hidden meaning in there, or is it once again more incoherent babble, masquerading as some coherent point?

Just curious, how fast did you actually get in that big wheel of your's Stu? 13's? Wow, I'm freaking impressed. All this knowledge you're constantly spewing night after night, and you've only ran 13's for crying out loud!!!

PC-Racers, you gotta love'em...