My buddy just bought a '94 Z24 with 220,000 miles and completly stock. He says it runs like new and he wants to race me. I have an '88 Camaro with a carbed 350 out of a '77 Camaro. It has a new edelbrock intake and carb , and a new timing chain and bigger cam. I dont know what cam it is, i bought the car with it in, and the car has a new exhaust system. I'm 99.9% sure i would win, and i could make a little money on it. So, would I win, and if so, is there any kind of race that i might not?

 

i pretty sure you'll take the Z24, but with a '77 350 I'm not quite sure if you'd be a pavement pounder. What did those things put out? Like 170 ponies?

How many times have I heard "It might have a cam but I'm not sure I bought it like that".

I suppose you'd have to take it apart, take it to the track, g-tech it, dyno it, or race it with a buddy who's got a car and knows what his car can do and you'd have to compare.

 

Pretty sure the 94 will get ya, The motor that came in the 77 where low compression. So even with your intake and cam i don't think it will be enough.

 

If his Cavalier has a 3.1, your toast, especially paired with a 5 speed. I miss mine :-(

 

i believe their quick but not sure i know the 2.4 in the later models is quick since i got one and it gets up in the high rpms suppossed to do a 15.9 stock

 

I say you'll win no problem!
I use to race my friends 2.4 Z24 with my 95 RS eclipse (his car was new at the time) and we were dead even sometimes I won or he would win. But when I raced my 305 TPI (with my cousin diving it) he would pull my eclipse like it was standing still. My car was rated at 190hp I'm sure that intake and carb can make up the difference. An I seriously doubt someone would go through the trouble of putting in a completely stock engine out of a 77 without some upgrades.

Easy kill bet the money!

 

dont listen to what any one says about your engine its just THEIR opinion....people doubted alot of **** abuot my car as well....and i proved em all wrong...i dont know...but 220,000 miles ? u better smoke him

 

The motor the Z24 has is the 3.1 w/ manual tranny. Even though its the 3.1 it is only rated at 135-140 horses and 120-130 torque. A '77 Camaro stock came with 170 horses and 270 torque. With the intake, cam and carb i would think it would be substantialy improved. The fact the motor has 220,000 miles would also work in my favor i would think. Off the line he might get a small jump, but i would think by 50 mph i would have him by a couple of lengths, and from a roll it wouldn't even be close? Doesnt it make sense that way?

 

Well go race him and let us know. lol

 

will do!

 

Weight plays a huge factor. You may have more power than him, but your car is also 600-700lbs heavier.

And if anything, YOU should have the race from a dig, and he should be the one catching you if anything. From a roll, he has a much better chance I'd say. Those little 3.1s like to rev once they get moving.

 

What up with the 327? I making a guess that if his motor is in good shape you will lose. The End. Have a nice fuc*ing day,....................sir.

 

The 3.1 with the 5 speed was rated much higher than that, plus that car weighs 300+ less lbs then your car.

 

Good one....

 

you dont even need the aftermarket intake, carb, and cam. You'd beat him with a stock '77 350.

edit: cavy came with 118hp if I4, 140hp if V6, '77 camaro had 185hp stock

 

Power isn't everything. That Cavalier is a lot lighter, like 600lbs lighter. ~2700lbs vs. ~3300-3400lbs for an F-body depending on model.

Also, a '77 Camaro with a 350 had 185hp? I thought the 400ci/6.6L Camaros/Trans Ams were only putting out like 180hp

 

wow.

i think a 400 has more than 180hp.

true power isn't everything, but his car isn't stock. my guess is around 230hp.

600 lbs wont help you against a car that has 100 more horse and way more torque than you. And the cav is fwd.

 

Think again.

 

who would buy a car with a 400 if it was only putting out 180hp?........thas the stupidest thing ive heard

 

...it was the 70s. All I've ever heard people complain about the late 2nd gens was that they had 180hp 400ci motors.

 

If anything in this race torque would come into play. The Camaro has a huge benefit in that area. Even tho the Z24 or whatever is lighter the Camaro has like twice the amount of torque. Id say the Camaro would eat it from rolling or stop IMO, but hey thats just me.

 

Everone always forgets torque

And yes, 600 lbs makes a HUGE difference. Think of it this way. The cavalier is a skinny kid that can run fast. Your camaro is a linebacker, buff, but not as quick. Although it may stong and eventually crush the little guy, you still have to catch it first. Just because it has a v8 doesnt mean its fast.

 

Hate to say it but I think the Z24 is going to win. I like those little things, they're cool. I always root for the underdog. Think how bad that would look seeing a camaro with a v8 lose to a Z24, you'd shame the 3rd gen community. For your reputations sake I pray you win.

 

shut up

 

Iv'e been getting carried away, sorry.

 

thank you

 

Hate to say it but I think the Z24
Keep dreaming those cars are pretty damn slow I've seen them in action. In stock form they pose no challenge even with the 3.1 and the weight difference isn't going to help them beat a in tuned V8's torque.

 

i agree with 87TPI350KID, torque is what gets you down the track

 

Well im gonna have to say, make sure you get a good launch. I used to own one of those Z24, that thing was a beast off the line, but mine wasnt much up top. I say if you get a good launch and go through the gears right, you should be able to take him.
You ever ran yours at the track?

 

also the z24 probably has a governor at 115~120. If the race lasts that long...

 

A '79 Trans am w/ the 400 was rated at 220 horses and 320 torque, the chevy 350 that year was 170 horses and 270 torque.

 

oh 79. i had a differnent year for more info.

 

see duron

 

Close enough

Either way, I did a bit of reading, like I said above that Cavalier is under 2700lbs and has 140hp.

F-body = ~3400lbs and has...200hp or so with the better intake/carb? I'm sure the stock heads and compression are really limiting. 280ish torque? Which intake and carb was used?

That 3.1L in the Cavalier is no weakling, putting out 185ft-lbs of torque. Cavalier should easily be in the 16s, and could possibly pull off a high 15 if the driver can drive and the car runs well. Though with 220,000 miles on it, who knows what it runs like.

Depending on the tune of the Camaro, it'd be a close race. How's the transmission in the Camaro? In good shape?

 

My 84 sport coupe with a 350 transplanted from an 80 Camaro, put multiple car lengths (3-6, hard to tell, my air cleaner assembly was gonna fly off so I couldnt look back lol) on an early 90s Z24 3.1.

I have an Performer RPM intake and a holley 600 cfm carb. Thats it for mods.

If you don't put cars on this z24, then I'd be shocked.

 

Take him from a dig, brake and take it up to 2000rpms. then 3/4 pedal and then floor it.. You should kick ***..Im hoping it really depends on the cam, and find out if the pistons were changed

 

my 305 tpi kicks the snot out of z24's. I have owned both. my gearing is 3.73 im sure that plays a part. make sure your car is in good tune....

 

my 305 tpi kicks the snot out of z24's. I have owned both. my gearing is 3.73 im sure that plays a part. make sure your car is in good tune....

 

the 3.1's were rated at 140hp and 185 ft lbs of torque, probably slightly more with a 5 speed. I know I have one in my Corsica, and have actually taken a z24 before, it was an automatic but if it would have been a 5 speed with a good driver he would have taken me. I know in my car once it hits 3k it pulls hard, but runs out of power at about 5k. I g-teched mine and did a 16.3 and a 0-60 of in like 8.something. Anyways, if your car is a V8, and has some decent power, you should take him. I know my brothers 305tpi camaro would hand my car its ***.

 

One of my buddies had a z24 and it was slow as hell, but it could have just been a poorly maintained car. I've also owned 2 cavaliers in my life (a 90 and an 05) and both were pretty damn slow. The 05 is rated at 140 hp 150tq, but doesn't pull nearly as hard as my SHO, which is about 1000 lbs. heavier but with about 100 more hp. Right off the line it pretty much destroys it, pulling many carlengths. I don't think you should be having any nightmares about cavaliers.

 

The bare bones M5 ecotec cars are pretty quick compaired to LG4 ad LO3 f-bods. I know I have taken a few down in my '05 TPI cars shouldn't have a problem with any stock j-body.

 

I used to have a fiero with the smaller 2.8 with a 5spd and I'd beat cavaliers and and 3rd Gens all day long, granted I never raced a 350 TPI but I was able to compare it to my friends 87 T/A with the 305 tpi. I race 300z's, late 70's early 80's vettes, some 5.0's and the only thing I ever lost to was a GTX. I'm not convinced that the fiero was stock. A dentist used to have it and hard telling what he had done to it, but I know it was fast and it had basically the same driveline as the cavalier.

 

Sorry it took so long, but we finally raced, kind of. There was too much traffic to go from a dig, but we were able to go from a roll. It was a green light and we both started at the same time, so no early jumps or anything, at about 15mph. I was up to a car length ahead around 35 mph, i killed him on the start, and held it to 65mph, then i quit so i didnt run any other cars over ahead of me. We are going back tonight to go from a dig, I'll tell you how it goes, but so far, its Camaro 1, Z24 0.

 

Bad news, i thought something was up, i felt something a little off in the motor during the race, i shouldve beat him by more than 1 car, so i took a look and found that the clip that holds the plug wires fell off and cooked two wires on the headers. I cant get wires till tomorrow, so the race is off for a couple of days.

 

at least you got to own him once

 

good job but sorry about the plug wires but that should be a cheap easy fix then you can go stomp another mud hole in that z24

 

so you beat him with only 7 or 6 cylinders?

 

I dont know if it was running on only 6 or 7 cylinders, it sputtered a couple times, and seemed like it was a little down on power, but i replaced the wires and everything seems to be fine again.