Hey, my goal for my car is 12s and i think im starting to get pretty close. i wanna know some easy/cost effective (dont wanna get yelled at for saying cheap) ways to finally get me in there. right now i have a zzz crate motor which is a basic 350 with aluminum l98 heads, 235/235 .480/.480 cam, an edelbrock performer rpm (its ported out and cleaned up inside), and a 700cfm double pumper. i have a pretty basic 700r4 with a mild shift kit and stock stall, and a 7.5 10 bolt rear with 3.73s. 275/60/15 rear tires (radials), and basically stock suspension/chassis. almost no weight reduction done...still have steel hood. what kinda times do you think i could shoot for now, and what would be a couple of the easiest ways for me to hit the 12s? thanks a lot.

 

relocation brackets, higher stall, nitrous

 

Easiest and most "cost-effective": Slicks, NOS, weight reduction, and a higher stall.

 

Stall and slicks.I wish that I went with a 2500+ stall right now.Also how does the car run with the 700DP.I was just wondering since last time we talked.

 

pretty much with the others. Take the back seats out, get a bigger stall, nos, and some good slicks.

 

i really dont think the back seats are gonna get him much faster. they buckets alone are like what 2 pounds if that each? and the back is at most 10?

 

i would say your very first thing to do is get a stall matched up with your setup! then get some nice sticky tires.. nittos are good

 

BFG makes a DOT drag radial.

 

What times are you running now? Give us an idea how much you need to shave off.

 

dont think he has got any et's

 

Get some light weight rims skinnies up front and good ET tires. Also 1.6 rockers will help big time upgrade the springs if you have too. Look on ebay and get a Crosswind Airgap intake for $135, its a knockoff from edelbrocks airgap but it works really good. Better than the one your engine came with.

I seen alot of people use that same cam me too and it likes a 3000 stall better. I know a couple of guys using that came in a 327 and they use 4000 stall with 4.10 gears and they avg. 13.0-12.9 at the track in 35000lbs cars.
You don't need Nitrous to break the 12's

Are you still running stock manifolds? Man you better get some good headers on that thing! Do you need your smog epuip to get a sticker? If you don't get rid of it and gut the cat!

 

monte: the car runs pretty nice with it. i cant get it set up right though, its either the tranny or the throttle cable, it keeps shifting up at 3500 at wot, but pretty normal around town, maybe a tad early. but even still it pulls pretty good.

sidewayz/daniel: i hear nittos are great for the street but suck on the track. ill have to look at those bfgs.

blyth/toxik: im waiting for it to get a little cooler outside before i run it. and i want a couple more tweaks and upgrades first, even if they are small.

lil: this is my daily, so i dont think skinnys would be the best idea up front, but i might go with some 15x6. also, im looking for a set of prostars as we speak, so that will be a bit of an upgrade...tell me more about these 1.6 rockers. what exactly will they do for me, cause my buddy has some off his motor that he blew. if you read my first statement carefully you would notice that i mentioned that i was running an edelbrock performer rpm already, so i dont think i need a new intake...and i just bought that. i got rid of the smog stuff, and im planning to gut the cat soon. i bought the car with everything in it already (cept it was tpi) and the headers are edelbrock shorties, which are ok. and the cat is a high flow, but ill still gut it. not sure if it has a catback but the pipe looks pretty beefy compared to stock (we think 2.75) and its got a flowmaster muffler, so i assume theres something.

hope this all helps.

 

Do your homework rpm intake is a good intake but its a thousand years old very old school tech. Just go to GM high performance site an you will see what kind of performance gains you can get out of a airgap style intake. Its just better tech just like Tpi vs Mini Ram, SR, and HSR intakes. As far as I.6 rockers were have you been in the last couple of decades?

Every magazines has been using them in different combinations for years just about every source has reported gains of 7hp to 15hp. It raises you cams lift to about .030 so in your car you should be getting about .510 in/ex. You also might want to upgrade your springs to about .550 lift. Both that intake and rockers should work really well together.

I got to tell you that stock tranny will never get you there save up a $1000 and buy a buillt 700R4 with a Z-pack with 13 clucthes and shift kit. I paid $1100 for mine words can't describe how it feels shifting at 6200 rpm!

 

i dont have that kinda money right now...i just got my tranny rebuilt a couple months ago. its slightly upgraded with a beast sunshell, a transgo jr shift kit, and a couple other goodies. if i get springs that support .550 i should probably get a new cam to match it also, right? and by the way, the intake has been extensively worked with porting out and polishing.

 

Should you get a cam to match it? Nope because unless your willing to port out your heads the stock L98's power would have fell off by then. Just over .500 lift is optimal for stock heads.

It doesn't matter what you do to the RPM it still has a different flow design than the air gap. The air gap has a GAP under the runners to allow air to cool the air comming into the intake. Better mid range Man just do a search you will see! I think its a cheap upgrade that you can afford its only about $145 with shipping. I know its better than your rpm.

I don't think your transgo jr shift kit it adjusted right if your shifting at the wrong shift points.

 

i know what an airgap is, and i just got the intake for 50 bucks for my car. my cam is only .480 right now also. maybe youre right about the shift kit, i think it seemed okay before though, but i havent driven it in a little while so maybe, but i think i would have noticed it.

 

An thats exactly what you got a $50 intake thats all a rpm is worth! Look you said you want to know what it takes to get in the 12's a airgap and rockers will get you a lot closer than the setup you already have. An there not that exspense. I not saying go buy the edelbrock airgap for $299 go get the knockoff version for $150 and roller rockers for about $180. Or just do some serious weight reduction.

 

I have swaped a regular rpm for an air gap made no diff in et. But a set of headman long tubes and a good y pipe will help also a 2500 stall converter and the 1.6 rockers will help.Also use a good drag radial and put the car on a diet. I also think you have to much carb I woulde use a 650 dp. But honestlythe best thing would be go to the track play with shift points and start tuning the car ie:jeting,timing.And if you have a cam with .480 lift with a 1.5 rocker when you change to a 1.6 rocker it will change to .512 lift.

 

hm, thanks for the info guys. i was thinking 2800 stall, and my friend has a pair of 9 inch slicks which would fit my wheels nicely. also i looked around and talked to people about the rockers and it seems like a good idea...along with new springs. do you think the three of those would get me close enough where i could just grab a fiberglass hood and hit 12s? this is all theoretical, i just really want a 12.xx timeslip, even if its a 12.99.
we put a new secondary metering plate in and the old one was really rigged to work poorly. now i have four corner idle and a solid gasket. also, we got the shift problem worked out. the pedal was connected weird and would not go all the way to the floor (i think it happened when we changed the throttle cable during the carb swap) and now it should be fine (still at work). thanks again guys.

 

I just hit 8.65 in the 1/8mile with about a 3300 race weight.Thats around 13.3-13.5 in the 1/4. I only had 3.42's and a 1800 stall which is killing me.Thats also with a 1.98 60ft. If you can get the car to stick with a 1.8 or better 60ft you should be getting close.The 2800 stall and sticky tires I think will get you in the low 13s if you get a good 60ft.With a few hp mods you should easily attain 12s.1.6 rollers would be good or just swap the cam and you will probably run 12s.Either way 13.5 is very common with a stock zz4 and stock stall.You will be very close to reaching high 12s with a little work.

Thats funny all you want is 12.99 but that sounds like me and every other guy I have met.Once you get 12.99 you will say hell why not low 12's then high 11's.Trust me.Its never fast enough unless your scared $hitless.

 

yea, but i just wanna hit a 12 for now...its still my daily. when i save up for something else, then ill go nuts with it.

 

Do the converter use a 26x9 slick put the headman long tubes on and a good y pipe take some weight out of the car. Go to home cheapo and get the black irgation pipe and rig up a cold air system for your carb. Use the 1.6 rockers andmaby under drive pully set.