my friend has a stock 1994 v6 berretta with 83.xxx miles on it my cars a l03 formula with open air and tbi mods but other rise stock he wants to race but I was wondering what you guys think the outcome might be.

I don't know about a 1994, but a 1995 Beretta V6 has 155 HP & 185 ft lb , so I think you have this one

my buddy raced his 95 berritta vs a 91 lo3 auto, and lost 0-80 by 1/2 car length.

i think ud smoke that turd, even if it has the 3.1

well im going to race him here pretty soon when i get my licience, if he wins all have to give him a run after my cam,intake and exhaust and see how it go's

You should be able to take this one.

i won that race, and one from a roll againts a 01 impala and a 1995 camaro v6. oh yea i raped a 1998 dakota to

You're a tool.
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Must have been the 3.4, no way an LO3 could keep up with a 3.8

Screw you buddy what’s wrong with racing some one when your modded and seeing if you car does any better than it did stock its not trying to prove a point with the person your racing its seeing how affective your mods are


And yea the kid claims it’s a 3.8 but I’m sure it’s a 3.4

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but I fear no 3.8 off the showroom floor.

not even the supercharged gtp motor? lol

i dont fear no GTP theyew way too slow for my stock LO3 no joke

then they werent racing u because gtp would crush u unless your modded

ok a looked under the hood of the kids car today and its a 3.8

I mean jeeze guys, an l98 should fear a GTP so you know what I mean.

Yea, I don't think so. Stock for stock, the L98 will holeshot the GTP pretty good every time, and stay out front. A stock 05-06 GTP, the fastest ones, are capable of 14.7 @93mph, my buddies got one and run that time, repeatedly. Any L98 car should be able to match that easily. My lightly modded 305 shoudl be able to match that for that matter. Those times would, however, roast a relatively stock LO3.

A 3.8 Impala would take a stock L03, especially from a roll at speed. RWD launched properly should almost always take the holeshot, but the new 3.8 makes more hp and just as much torque, in a car that doesn't weight any more and has less driveline loose, its gonna be faster on the top end.

yea sorry i do have a catback, open element which are not even considered mods cause everyone has them. but i do have that one mod which is only a mod when i push the button but shhhh keep it on the dl thats why i fear no GTP with a 130 shot.

tell me more about your nitrous setup

not many cars can cream a beretta.... they are a force to be reckoned with!

its a NOS TBI kit for trucks. i put it in with my friend in one day. got the bottle mounted between the 2 rear seats. uhh hmm its fun? lol im running about 130 hp right now to the wheels. im gonna get it dynoed when i take it out next year. and i beat VR4's, 350z's that i know of my little 305 dont take any **** from these cars
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my ford can hahahahaha. yes sad day i also do own a ford but its a winter beater although it is pretty nice i cant settle for **** when it comes to cars i own.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tbi/...ous-setup.html pictures of my setup can be seen there. if you got any questions just ask

I don't think so, the LO3 makes more torque, especially down low. I know for a fact that the L03 will pull the 3.8 in direct drive (3rd gear for autos) and probably second as well. I ran a 3.8 Grand Prix back when I had a nearly stock 305 in the VAN. He got me by about 1 1/2 car lengths to 90 mph. Stock internal LE9 305(601 heads, 929 cam), Headers, 2.5" duals, X-pipe, dual cats, dual 40 series flowmasters, TBI conversion with 14x3" open element (K&N filter).

FWIW, I tuned an almost identical engine in an 84 Suburban, TBI swap, stock exhaust, etc.

RWHP = 181.7 @ 4,900
RWTQ = 268.9 @ 2,460

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tbi/...ht=le9+tbi+305

so you can't even drive now, meaning your inexperienced and first thing you want to do is go fast so you can hurt someone, that's what was meant by you being a tool.

i have a 95 z26 with a 3100, i raced a transam back when i first got it and had to let off the gas for him to catch up.

I got my license oct 1 of this year and yea I can control my car pretty damn good, I’ve driven on a permit for 2 years befor I got my license and before that I spent plenty of time on my uncles farm tearing up this trail he has in a 85 omni and 91 f-150 so I’ve been driving for a good long time before I even got my license and the past 8 months after I finished my car I drove almost every day so I have a good feel for the car and what it can do.

Point being I’m not some dumb *** that tears up the streets just cause I got a firebird god knows there’s to many people out there like that, but when I do want to race or go fast I do it safe.

Tool/inexperienced driver yea think what you want

And lets say in the unlikely case that i ever did get in a wreck and hurt some one you guys will be the first to know

unfortunately ive raced a few thirdgens z's in my 98 camaro v6 3800 series and won everytime closest one was againt a friends 88 rs tbi open air exhaust only reason it was close was cause i launched from 3k and spun bad adn he hooked up and pulled a car instantly but by 90 i had a car adn a half

yea those 3.8s are nothing to laugh at stock for stock. i want one even though i have the 5.0 my uncles rs with the aero package and 5 speed is just too sexy.

Wonder what my problem is when I leave them behind? I mean in the end all I have is a bolt on LO3.

I must have the same problem, my 305 has no trouble at all with 3800 Camaros, or supercharged 3800 grand prixs... interesting.

Im with you guys, someone tell me how to fix it so i lose.

Fracture your right ankle.

Or, you can go with my winter strategy, park the F-body for a Ford Escort, nothing like 1.9 liters of pure Ford excitment.

When I had my L05 with nothing but bolt-ons I ran a 16.1 in the 1/4. On the street from a 45 mph roll, I pulled 3-4 car lengths on a 3800 Firebird (2000-2002) going up to around 90, then aerodynamics prevailed and he slowly started coming around me at 110 or so. On a side note, with my Weiand it wouldn't even have been a race.

the 3800 sucks from a roll and some came with 3.08 and 3.23 open rears. the y87 cars were a lil more equiped like my 98 came w/ 3.42 posi disc rear 200hp 225 tq. they run low 10's high 9's in the 1/8. anyway i say l03>berretta

umm i dunno how your stock LO3s are pulling on GTPs that badly if at all. maybe a 3.8 you can keep up with or outrun a tad maybe youre running the auto version on the n/a 3.8 camaro/firebirds. i know all GTPs 3.8 supercharged ones are auto which is their downfall.

i dont know why to many people waste there time on modding 305's....why not go to a scrap yard pick up a 350 block bolt EVERYTHING on change the wiring harness and run better et's with unlimited potential...??

imo....the 305 makes great torque in a tpi and definately has some solid launches....and i understand that because the frame is old and the ride is stiff the power feels very raw and fast but when all is said and done the 305 will lose to many cars on the road due too the lack of top end power....the displacement is just not there...

theres no replacement for displacement....
and its very very inexpensive to swap if you already run a V8....

just some food for thought

thats funny no replacement for displacement thats why many 3.0 V-6s would smoek your *** with less money into them. little 4 banger civics will whoop you with the right mods.

also not everybody has the MONEY, or equiptment to swap motors in their car or better yet the knowledge sorry we cant all be so cool.

if you really think my 305 has no top end ha id laugh in your face as i go flying past your *** with a stock internals and block. no forced induction either.

Yea, while I agree displacement is awesome, I would also agree that the size of the motor certainly isn't everything. As I said before, my last car was a Contour SVT, with a 2.5 liter v6 that makes just as much horsepower as my slightly modded 305, which is twice the size. And I have met that occasional 4banger (ie SRT4, EVO8, STi, etc) that does just fine with half the number of cylinders.

youre exactly right displacement is awesome but when you try and run with the big dogs like stis and evos and usually they are modded youll get owned hard. good luck out launching awd

Nothing slicks converter and gears can't solve. Why do think the fastest drag cars still happen to be rwd? Not to mention it takes serious skill to really launch awd consistantly, without breaking something.

it takes skill to launch any car. awd stock vs a stock rwd will outlaunch you anyday. awd's dont need mods to launch like a SOB. stop talking like youre better modded vs modded theyll still outrun you anyday yea yea drag cars this and that we are talking about steet cars!

I'm not sure where you're love for the awd came from, maybe you were born (or convieced) in the back of a Subaru, but awd requires a lot more skill, to launch, especially on a drag strip with lots of traction. You wouldn't have to search the web very long to find out that a lot of awd guys have problems with breaking transmissions and ruining good clutchs, even at stock power levels, due to incorrect and bad launching technique. Go to a track where there are a bunch of awd cars running, ask the guys how difficult nailing a good awd launch is. There is a lot of fancy clutch work involved in the best launches, unless you've got enough power to spin all 4 tires, which is the best ticket out of the hole with awd, but not much of a possiblity with less than 450+whp, unless you're looking for a reason to upgrade a destroyed tranny. Yes, awd cars can launch crazy stone stock, but no, not everybody that drives one can coax that kind of performance out of the car.

On the other hand, launching a converter/gears/slicks car requires finding a good launch rpm, good tire pressure, and a consistent burnout, and then just leaving off the foot or trans-brake at the right rpm. Perhaps thats a little simplified, but spend any amount of time in a FWD or AWD stick car, and you'll find RWD, espcially automatic, is a heck of a lot easier to launch consistently. Weight transfer works for you, not against you, thats the biggest difference.

Back to whatever hearsay street race babble you guys had going on, sorry to interject comments with at least a little thought behind them.

stock to stock a 3.8 series 2 Fbody car would crush a LO3 the V6 makes more power thats why mine aint fuel injected no more

My 01 camaro has the Y87 package....3.42 Limited Slip..its sweet for daily transportation! 26mpg in town and 33 on the freeway!

2 1/2 catback with a flowmaster 80 with dual outlets. GMS motorsports airbox and K&N filter.

BEST RUN at Portland International Raceway:

R/T: .329
60': 2.17
1/8mi: 9.794 @ 71mph
1/4mi: 15.63 @ 89mph


Last years crew dyno said I had 202rwhp and 231ft lbs. I raced with the same mods I dynoed with.

Never personally raced an L03....I"d love to race one with comparable mods!

i didnt say AWD was hard to launch i know all about them. the ones ive seen (my friend) he knows how to launch his without breaking things and i personally saw him easily take an LT1 with intake,exhaust,gears,6 speed out of the hole with his stock dsm. he didnt even try too hard. i know things break when launching my other friend had AWD dsm too and he was around 350whp or 400 it was like a year ago and from what i remember he spun all 4 tires pretty cool cars thatll be my next car in the spring.

You realize that my moded 305 TBI (Ported 081s, Stock "929" 350 cam, Edelbrock 3704, Ultimate TBI mods, Chip tuning, long tube headers, duals), pulled a 5,300 lbs brick of a Van with 3.08 gears and 2,000 rpm converter in the 700r4 to a 9.89 @ 69.08 in the 1/8 and 15.5s @ 92 in the 1/4 with a 2.18 60' It pulled 240 RWHP @ 5,000 and 320 ft/lbs @ 2,900 on a Mustang Dyno.



This is a 1991 G10 Conversion van, 5,600 lbs of it with a stock longblock 305 TBI in it, 700r4, 3.08 gears, P235/70/R15s. High Flow cat, Single in/Dual out Turbo Muffler, 1" open center TBI spacer, Reprogramed "8746" ECM, 18 PSI fuel pressure, 5,000 RPM "Corvette" Governor.

I know who will win by experience. My brother owns a 95 beretta 3100, I own an F body. he can keep till 2nd, then it's over. not a bad little car though.

On the other hand, the 3400 that I swapped into my grandmothers 1996 Olds Achieva Coupe in place of the 3100, would rip a L03. When I rebuilt the transmission, I swapped a 3.41 final drive chain and sprocket set from a 3.4 DOHC Monte Carlo into the 4T60E. That along with the 185 HP/210 TQ 3.4 in a 2,800 lbs car = 13.8s @ 96 mph and 35 MPG highway.

I don't see any Lo3 touching a 3.8 4th gen . In our club a guy pulled a 15.1 stock . Also the guy running 15.4 with 240 rwhp .... something is wrong there. I dyno'd 251 and can get a 14.4 @95 . It's good for a 13.8 solidly.

I took out a Lo3 camaro with a 3.0L topaz 5 speed I had ( only 130 hp)

A stock 3400 won't pull 13's, no way. I realize the car is 2800 some odd pounds, but its a stock motor. A stock 3300lbs Grand Am with a 3.28 axle ratio is about a 15.5 car. My se with 3.08 gears did 15.7 at 87mph, then 15.2 at 90mph with headers, intake, exhaust and some tuning. A 3400 Grand Am with a cam, headwork, and all bolt ons will run that number, but not a stock 180hp motor.

And defintely, defintley BS on the mileage. No way, not a chance. I got 29mph with my 3.08s, you can't tell me you turn 400-500rpm faster on the highway and get 6mpg better than my 3400 car.

I do like the idea of the gear swap though, my GA always felt real sleepy with those long gears, first pulled to 49mph, second to 90mph, and third was good for more than 145mph. (no there wasn't enough motor to actually go that fast.) I'm sure it felt great with the 3.41s.