this is great,, its rare on here that two guys that say they want to run, actually do race.. anyway both of u should give us acurate descriptions on both youre cars.. miles, mods, what car, yr, which 305 were talking about? all that stuff. so we know what you have.

 

Wait then, i'm not thinking of something right. the reason tpi is restrictive past 4500 on a 350 is because the runner length is too long and narrow to get enough air to the cylinder fast enough. i was under the impression that 305's had much flatter power curves then 350's as they did not require as much air at a given rpm. the idea for the 327 stemmed from that, as in the bigger valves and better heads of the 350 with a shorter stroke to reduce the cubic inch. the result in my theory would be a faster revving engine with a higher rpm range then the 350 has, where is my logic messed up?

 

You logic is flawed because the design of the TPI doesn't allow it to flow greatly at high RPMs regardless of the motor it's on. The TPI builds great low end torque. You're essentially putting a low end power intake on a motor that loves to rev. That's like going to a fancy steakhouse and ordering a salad.

 

Ok, this is how my car specs out. I have a 305 tpi with a TPIS fast pak, 3 inch exhaust, edelbrock headers, holley AFPR, descreened MAF, K&N cone filter, 170 thermostat, hypertech stage 2 chip and last week I added QTP exhaust cutouts just before the cats. I also have removed AC and the air pump.

As far as All4u, I saw this link, https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/theo...who-would.html but I know that he has two birds and I don't know which bird this is and which he raced me, they are both red and both say something to the effect of "Formula 350" or "350 Formula" or something like that so I assume both came with a 5.7 but carbed or TPI, I don't know. The car he raced me with was a TPI and it handed me my @$$ after 70mph. Does it sound like he could win without nitrous or was he being honest?

He has a nitro powered chevelle at his house that he brought by the base one time and that thing was blistering fast. I know that it will beat me but if his bird was off spray, could he beat me? I think we are even, aren't we?

 

Dalton, to shut you up, why don't you send a private message to someone smart like 8t9 bandit, rockit, or one wheel peel? They will send you the reply that I will spank you. And to answer the question of which bird I raced with, it is the one that was sitting in the garage when I raced that honda. I raced the honda with my project car but I raced you with the car that I know would keep up. Yes it is an L98 that is 30 over. It is cammed with some cheap heads from AFR. It is still TPI'ed and saving for a HSR. It is a posi 3.73 rear end and there is a header back exhaust with no cats. Notice that I didn't mention any small stuff like thermostat temp or airfoils or the such because that stuff is to be expected if you are building an import killer! Take opinions but no matter what anyone says, there is no replacement for displacement!

 

you guys are all rattled over this, arent you friends??

Anyways, I would say the 350 for the win, but i dunno about by that many cars

 

We are friends but when it comes to cars, admit that a person that does work on cars and trucks on a day to day basis should know more than a military police officer. Don't you think so? We are cool but he took it personal when I beat him. I think it is because I embarassed him in front of his girlfriend. That is why he is making this such a big deal. I guess he doesn't want a rematch.

 

A HCI 350 vs a very mild 305...

And the 305 wanted to win??? I doubt it was juiced, it is probably just a couple seconds faster as it is a much stouter combo.

 

45 extra cubes??

 

i understand the generalization made popular by the fast and the furious, however, its not correct

NOS is a registered trademark for the Holley brand of nitrous systems. if you want to use a correct, shortened, term for nitrous, use the chemical form, N2O. that way no one will confuse it for the actual brand of nitrous offered by Holley

 

Sounds more like 50 more cubes (.030) afr heads and a camshaft.

So Dalton your surprised that a cammed headed car with more displacement beat you badly? As far as mods go youve got exhaust and a K&N filter...

 

He should/did spank you. that car ought to be in the mid 13's, yours should be high fourteens IF you drive it right

 

Race this sat...ill be over there anyways lol

 

Did i say anything about tpi?

 

Nope, hence why comment wasn't directed towards you.

Rockit said he wants to put TPI on a 327

 

i dont think it would work too well......They make an aftermarket tpi that might though

 

Sounds like that 350 should be in the 12's easy. Im running 13.3s with just bolt ons lol

 

hope you know a 1988-up lb9 5-speed car with 3.45 gears will and does beat L98 auto cars with the performace 3.27 rear. (the 305 5-speed in these had the same cam as the 350)


I have seen and owned several 305 tpi cars that 100% bone stock did take 350 cars.

usually if they both had the performace option... 3.27 rears/ auto and are in very good running shape the 305 will take the 350 up to 40-50 mph and then the 305 will see tail lights. it's funny but the 305 takes advantage of the steep 1st gear. the 350 just over powers it in the real hp test and keeps going.

 

We have a rematch for this friday over at Strat's if you know where that is. All4u will be bringing the same car that he raced me with before but this time I get to race him with my civic. Now it will be fair. All4u has seen my civic in action and he might say that he can beat it but down deep in his dark soul, he knows that there is no way he will win. Come see this race, it is one that you won't want to miss. 02 civic si vs. 89 firechicken POS. It'll be great! I might not have the displacement but I do have the lightweight car and the huge powerband. Call in sick to work friday night cause this is going to be worth it. Vroom, Vroom, ZZZZZZZZ..PSSHHH!

 

All I got to say is, WTF! When I first got on this site and saw the name all4u, it hit me in the head when I was on the saturn forums, all4u was there too. If it is the same one, he is a cheater! Well, kind of. He hides everything he has in the car with no power adders and he builds his cars for grunt alone. If it is the same guy, you will get your @$$ handed to you and then some. He's a professional. He's the kind of guy that would blow your doors off and then put them back on in the same race. You know, he stops at KFC half way through the race, eats, $#!Ts, watches tv, calls his wife, jumps back in the car and still beats you. That's if it is the same guy. If not, best of luck to you. You say that both of you were in the military. What branch? I saw MOS's so I assumed Army, Navy, or Marines. Are you still enlisted cause I'm under contract for another two years.

 

Well, it looks as if my past has caught up with me. Saturns were a while ago and yes, it is me. I still have my turd'boed project in the garage and moved to v8s. I don't like being called a cheat but whatever. It isn't cheating if you don't see what I have. That means your blind or un-informed. I guess I should thankyou for calling me a pro but I'm not. I just take time to think about what the other people will think when they see my car. I hide stuff and make the outside look stock or leave it crappy like it is now. I am a jar head that moved to bullet catcher and still under contract for just under three more years. In your post you said something to the effect of stopping at KFC and what not. To clear that up, I prefer popeyes or Brown's, I don't like using public toilets, I don't watch tv that much and I'm not married cause I haven't grown the nuts to ask her yet. There, now that's settled. Daltons civic is quick but not fast enough. I have a problem with a car with 1.8 liters when my bottle of soda is 2.0 liters! Screw that turd'boed civic. And he calls my car a POS when it was him that lost and got mad about it.

 

If your not running for money why not say whats done to the car???

To me it's more impressive to run hard with a weak combo, than to just build something insane, not tell anyone and go beat people.

Now with money involved, I wouldnt tell anyone, just snag my cash and walk.

 

First he races with a camaro and now he is bringing a civic? Boy you just dont learn do you? ROFLMAO...I expect this race to turn out like the last one.

PS: Bring me some chicken when the race is done...or in the middle of it I am sure you will have enough time

 

Uh, dalton's civic is somewhat fast. Last I recall, it was his project car and he more or less finished it. I know about the turboed B18 motor and I heard he was going to spray it to get the turbo going. This is what I was told but I only saw him on the street with it once and it was pretty fast. I do know that it is faster than the firebird he raced me with but by how much, I don't know. I can't really judge a car on the street, my perception isn't that good so I have to see cars at the track. I would say it is a high 13 second car or so. I do want to run for money if he is bringing the civic. No one knows what is under the hood of his car so why should I say what is in mine. Besides, I already gave a brief description before and I think that is good enough. Dalton, what's it going to be?

 

Real cars dont power the front wheels...they lift them off the ground!!!

 

never heard that one before...

hmm, civic, drag car, front wheel drive, combined with drag racing, was it ever a good idea?

a turbo drag civic, sorry dalton that party ended awhile ago, even the last fast and the furious had no civics or front wheel drives in it. every once in a great whilie a civic will impress me, but 99 times out of 100 it's another failed attempt to look cool and go fast.

physics are in your favor all4u. who's taking bets??

 

Dalton is fast but he would need alot more than what he brought the last time that I saw his car. Maybe he has done more but even still, that car isn't something that I should be afraid of. That car might be able to pull of a mid to high thirteen second pass. Dalton and I are looking for a $1500 bet. I think that people on this forum should start some kind of betting. That way, people can make money and buy stuff without having to waste their time on stuff like going to work! Race is scheduled for this coming sunday. Does anyone around oakbrook want to see the race?

 

tape this please tape this

bring some one along to tape at the finish line or some thing

i would like to see what all of this hoo rah is about

TAPE AND POST on the SITE
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lmao literally


i can just imagine someone doin that lol

 

Gah, I wanted to tape this but I cant bc I got a concert to go to on friday night. strats is like 10 min from me too, why god why. someone else record this!

 

Dude.... just... WTF....

 

come to GA....mines stock...

 

Frozer, all4u said that they were going to do it on sunday... so u can still record it

 

Cool

 

WTF? I didn't agree yet that I would race. I just told all4u that sunday is the day that I'm off and if I would race, it would have to be a sunday night. What's the big deal? It's a race, just a race, get over it all4u. Quit acting like your so "cool" cause you built a car on a "budget" and it is quick. "Budget" is a relative word that has many different meanings and opinions. How about putting down actual cost for the entire build and then telling people what you have instead of being a chicken **** and hiding. Why don't you pick on someone that spent the same money you did and then talk ****. Leave me alone and when the turbo rebuild is ready, I'll let you know when I'll hand you your ***!

 

aw he got mad...... Take your beating like a man

 

Dalton = Owned

 

worries me that they let such angry adolescents into the armed services

 

They need to put all this hate into the enemy.

 

OK... its monday, where is the tape?

 

hey atc, just wanted to say 305 aside, your car gets my respect man, and i'd think twice bout lining up with you. peace

 

you shouldn't take a race personally. it means nothing, between friends. you two should just race for $100 and because it sounds like you both have the ***** to do it.

 

This thread is hilarious, sounds like dalton needs a 350. lol.

 

So Im guessing this race didnt happen on sunday? I never got a response on details so i could stop by and record it Well now we are getting snow so there goes this idea lmao(stupid chicago weather)

 

I want this 10 minutes of my life back. This thread is a waste of bandwidth.

 

he beat you for a simple reason. he has a 350 and you have a 305. more air in and more air out means more power. 350 pumps more air then a 305




short stroke doesn't make you power. sure a 302 can beat a 350 but it doesn't mean shorter stroke is what did it. I would say it's more along the lines of better cam, heads, intake, exhaust and everything else in there compared to the stock sucky intake, exhaust, cam and heads on the 350.




if you want to move your power up in the rpm range get better heads, intake, and cam. don't cut your ***** off just so you can dangle them up high by limiting your displacement

 

You just dont get what im saying......you might get them......but if your moter has the ability to turn up to its power band quicker than your opponets you will most likely be able to beat them, provided they are around the same bore or cubic inches.......Bigger isnt all ways better.....if so everybody would be riding with big blocks

 

Alright, that sucks; this thread doesn't deserve any form of logical discussion, I vote and when the next race happens they can start a new thread full of just as much hilarity as this one!

 

I drive an rx7. I know about rpms. I also know having a rpm limit doesn't mean much by itself.
stroke is a VERY VERY minor part of where the powerband lies and how quick a motor can rev. cam, heads, and valvetrain make MUCH more of a difference with how quick a car can rev and how high it can rev. hell even just an intake alone can make more difference then stroke. compare a stealthram vs a TPI intake compare a 348 vs a 350 and you get more or less identical powerbands. moral of the story is you want to rev higher don't destroke your motor. get a better induction system.
as far as your last comment I could also say nitromethane, blowers and 500+ ci and 5000+ horsepower isn't better either or else everyone would be driving around with them. but they aren't just like everyone doesn't drive around in big blocks for many reasons. weight, gas mileage, parts availability, emissions laws, price and so forth.

 

So basically, your car is stock with exhaust

 

Jay, you are wrong there. Bigger is always better in reference to power, as more cubic inch displacement means more torque, because that's the byproduct of a larger displacement engine, which in turn of course equals more calculated horsepower. The reason why you see smaller engines out perform bigger ones from the factory is mainly because of their symmetrical build before-hand. The track, however, tells a different story, as the big blocks usually dominate when the engines are competing in a naturally aspirated event (like the FAST class)....