I have seen on this site a supercharged 305 making @ 600hp

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/powe...ferrerid=76725

also a turbo 305

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/powe...5+supercharged

so I know its possible but has someone taken down a C6 ZO6?

Has anyone done it with a LB9?

Surely its happened before.

 

so I know its possible but has someone taken down a C6 ZO6?

Has anyone done it with a LB9?

Surely its happened before.[/QUOTE]


good luck...lol
that would be one hell of an LB9

 

Not my pipe dreams just giving out facts!

Read for yourself.

Car was not just a striaght line runner either (suspension MODS as well) it was raced on road racing courses.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/powe...ferrerid=76725

Id say these #s are better than a C6 ZO6.

This car actually with further tuning got better #s than this!

 

Ok, on a serious note, if you want to beat a ZO6, the first thing you have to do is swap out the 305, yes it can be done with a 305 but it's going to take way more time and money to do it. Get the extra 45 cubes and get a 350. Now the fun part begins, you can build an all motor build up that won't be very street friendly and idles like crap, if that's what you want to do, get a stroker kit so you'll have 30 over pistons swinging off a 400 crank. All of it should be forged. Get a cam for high rpm and a good set of AFR heads. That'll put you at an ok stand off. The other option is with a 350 tpi, put lower compression pistons in with a built bottom end and then go for a turbocharger. It'll idle quite well, it won't be undriveable, and it'll be easier to build just tuning will be a *****. After that, when you see the ZO6, bury him and let him listen to the blow off valve! That'll be the best way of doing it. And also the cheapest. Talk to TurboedTPI and he'll be able to help you beat the crap out of ZO6.

 

I raced a Z06 in my 305 TBI the other day..... Guy laughed when I revved, then preceded to drive off and walk me...

 

I wouldn't have even revved my car at him lol i would have given him a thumbs up I got raped by a base model Vette couple weeks ago, i wouldn't even want to go near a Z06! haha

 

Storker SBC plus boost, or LSx w/ boost. Those are the most streetable approaches. Doing a SBC all on motor, to beat a Z06, is pretty much a purpose race motor only, wouldn't be even reasonably streetable

 

I've got a 500hp street 383 and Ive taken down a standard vette before but I have always wanted to try and get a Z06 but I never seem to be in the right place. O and mine is all NA! The guy that helped me build my motor said that it would be a very interesting race if I could hook up. All I know is that it would take a ton of work thats for sure!

 

All motor 500hp 383 is a pretty wild combo - tell us about it. What did the dyno look like for torque and area under the curve? It would be intersting to see it against a C6Z06.

 

sure he wasn't racing.. it's a mid/high 11 second car... 305 TBI runs mid 16's... he should easily put 20-25 cars in you in the 1/4.....

 

I pretty sure he's saying the Vette walked him...

 

heads/cam LT1, or a stock/nitrous LT1.

-and dont forget the list of stuff like headers/gears/converter, etc.

 

Or you could find a TTA and throw some mods at it and surprise the crap outta him!!! Or a 91-92 Hawk(Goodluck)and do the same...other than that it's going to take a lot from that motor be it a L03, LB9 L98 to take that Z06 down. Good luck...get to it!!

 

I haven't had it dynoed yet but when we built the motor we built it with the same specs of a motor he built a few years ago but with bigger heads and a bigger cam. That car dynoed around 475 to 480 i think. I've always wanted to go up against one of the new ZO6's but I have a good feeling that it would hand my butt to me.

 

Very exspensive to be done with a 305 not really worth it. But iv seen thirdgens with 350 swaps all motor daily driven with close to 500 horsepower running high10's low 11's so their are def streetable cars out their worthy to race a z06. Serious street racers in north jersey know all about worthy cars.

 

Remember that, even if your 305 is making 500hp, your car would still weight a lot more than the Z06. Plus the gearing, tire, suspension advantage go the the Z06 too. I'd say you'd have to be making somewhere around 575 to 600hp to be able to race one. Even Viper SRT-10s have a hard time against Z06s.

 

Game, Set, Match. That is the killer there

 

Wait a minute, we need some commentary from the guy turning low 12's all motor with a 305... MW66Nova - that guy could run w/ a stock z06 on a 100 shot.

 

I have a friend/race buddy with an '84 camaro running a 10:6:1 406 with a custom solid roller cam with around .590" lift IIRC on a 112lsa, ported AFR 210's, single plane manifold and a holley 950hp carb through a t-56 and constantly hands ALL trim of vettes their asses on a gold platter and he never missies our local club cruises!! very streetable car idles steady and firm!

 

The new ones are actually slower - considering that Dodge had the stones to rate them at 600hp.

The other week I saw a new Viper that ran 12.0 at 116mph - not so good for a 600hp (supposedly car).

 

Proof that r i c e r 3rd gen exists. That's what the r i c e r s do, not self respecting American Musclecars.

 

All the power and suspension you can buy wont do any good without the "driver mod". That will go a long way.

And I think it would take at least 500 hp, and pretty much all the suspension you can throw at it to challenge a Z06. Not saying it cant be done, and man wouldnt it be sweet if you could. But GM did it right with the Z06s.

 

I raced a Z06 once on the strip and he ran a 12.50. I don't know if that was stock or not, but he really picked up speed on the last half. I had him by a few cars off the line.

 

I can take standard Vette's, not even going to try against a ZO6, not yet anyway.

 

A buddy of mine z06 can chirp the back tires 1-4 gear! its pretty fantastic with tracion control off.

 

Z06 is no joke - although most of the people who have them really can't drive them all that they got...

Others have thrown out some points to note - lighter weight, bigger tires...

It's power under the curve that matters - the Z06 427 has 505hp and 475lb-ft stock; good enough for mid 11's in a 3200lb car. But as an example my 3550lb Camaro with 550hp runs just as fast as a Z06 with the same power to weight with an auto trans and smaller tires. It has to do with the 600lb ft of nitrous TQ that the Z06 can't match (stock).

So all it takes is a mild 350 with a nitrous kit - all else working 100%.

And no, I haven't raced a Z06 yet....

 

Here are the final results of the LB9 (look at quote below) I initially mentioned to you all when I started this thread. I appreciate all chiming in with your thoughts concerning the subject matter.

I know the C6 ZO6 has style and is an elite car which is in the league of supercars but the car cost 70K+! I think it is just nice to see an underdog challenge the new ZO6. The new "King Of The Hill" ZR-1 takes the bar a little higher even but again for much more $$$$$$. I love to see well planned out and executed builds with far less invested take/surprise folks with deep pockets. Its just a personal opinion of mine I know some agree with me and others dont.

Whatever floats your boat!

 

Agreed....

 

I have passed the point of being obssesed with this particular car but it is just bad***. Forgot to mention the performance specs here they go

Quote:

Vehicle Info

1987 Chevrolet Camaro

Bragging Rights

• 1/4 Mile10.71 sec @ 135.7 mph
• Top Speed210 mph
• HP598
• Weight3600 lbs

Major Upgrades

Supercharger

 

my dad laughed when i said i was going to take out his z06 haha... his is not quite stock though.

06' z06
Head work
Cam
MSD
vararam intake/ w throttle body
kooks headers
Full 3" borla with high flow cats
Efi live tune
twin plate clutch
Full KB adjustable coilovers/corner balanced
19" hres in front 20's in back 355/25/20's

car is a freakin monster! he never even drives it, he drives his f150 everywhere haha, were going to get some drag radials and take her to the track soon.

 

Any car can be built to beat another car, it just depends on the $$$. It's not out of the question for someone to build a 305 thirdgen to whip a Z06...but I hope you have a plutonium Mastercard

 

TTA with bolt-ons - stock unopened long block - beat a tuned/filter Z06 by a few cars.

 

great job. dahm, i luv tta's

 

I think this mod would be a great start...lol. http://www.dougherbert.com/468megasm...y-p-25811.html

 

Fastest box-stock Z06 I know of ran 10.8x's on DR's, at 130. What's it take to get an F-bod into the 10's at ~130?

There's your answer.

 

Not exactly

Running at MIR with -800' density altitude on track that has been prepped as it was a NHRA event isn't a good example of a norm.

 

I didn't say "norm", I said "fastest".

TO say "norm" includes all the *****-tards that don't know how to drive and put the car to shame. "Fastest" shows what the CAR can do, when all proper driving techniques are applied. Same car ran 11.18 on stock runflats, and you know it. So use that number as a bench mark if you wish. 1200 DA, no prep, shitty tires. Still trapped 128+. Same question and same answer applies. What's it take to get an F-bod to trap over 128 on street rubber? There is your criteria.

 

So your saying Ranger can use all his "proper driving techniques" and come out to your or my neck of the woods and lay down those numbers and show what the car can do? Sure.

 

What is your malfunction? No I'm not saying that and I never would. I live at 7000' elevation. No one could run those numbers here. In fact, I am personally thrilled that I've run a "slow" 12.89/111 w/my box-stock base LS2 C6 here. I'm sure that if I or Ranger were on the moon, our cars wouldn't "Run the number" either. But the OP didn't ask what it would take to get a 305 3rd gen to run what a Z06 would run on the moon, or high up in the Mighty Wasatch mountians, did he? He asked:
So he has a clear understanding of what he's asking, I set the bar for him because simply matching the Z06's hp figure isn't going to meet the OP's criteria by itself. You DO realize that if he sets the bar for what a Z06 rund HERE...then comes here to race that Z06, or the A06 goes "there", he's going to get slaughtered...but you know that right? So you also know that your post was pointless, off topic, and irrelevant.

I don't think the OP was asking "3rd gen + What mods beats Z06 w/sh!tty driver?" Nor do I think he was asking "3rd Gen + What mods beats Z06 that is in Utah?" I'm pretty sure that is not what the OP wanted to know. The fact is, the Z06 THE CAR is quite capable of very low 11's and damn near 130 mph -and other's besides Ranger have proved it. What's it take to get a 3rd gen to run those numbers? That's the answer to the OP's question.

 

the 305 could hang with regular vettes....the new motor should be able to handle z06's....

 

Yeh ya did "Fastest" shows what the CAR can do, when all proper driving techniques are applied.

You left out ideal track conditions and what IS the BEST time of someone who put 100+ passes on the car prior to achieving that time.

All I'm saying is your statement is misleading when you spout out that an F- body needs to run better than 11.1 @ 128 to show a C6 Z their taillights.

I ran an 11.67 @ 112 to a 07 Z's 11.84 @ 122 and I'm on street rubber.

 

My 305 runs 16s, shall i have any chance?

 

Yeah if the Z06 is in reverse...and even then that's a long shot.

 

NO, I DIDN'T. WTF does my quote above have anything to do w/elevation; what you called me out on?? The 11.1 was run w/an 800' DA. Not negative DA.

He hasn't put 100+ passes yet, nor had he when he ran those numbers. Wither way, what difference does it make if you put 2 passes or 2000 passes? We're talking about what the CAR can do. This discussion isn't about how many passes does it take for xxx driver to get the car to the bottom number.

NO, it's not misleading. "I ran blah, blah, blah, to some other guy's blah, blah, blah, so my car can beat that guy's kind of car!" BS!

Now here's MY Z06 kill story; I (at high elevation in UT) ran a 12.89 to a C6 Z06's 13.5 (true story, BTW)....but there's no way in hell that I'm going to claim that I've met the criteria for "beating Z06's" with my stock C6! RIDICULOUS! That the Z you raced trapped a slaughtering 10 mph faster than you PROVES that you won to a driver who shouldn't own a Z06; NOT that you've met the criteria posted by the OP of this thread. You're still about 100 hp short, partner.

As a DRIVER, you're a driver that can beat that particular embarrasment, of a Z06 driver (even though he thundered by you 10 mph faster at the traps). Car for car, your car isn't in the same league as a Z06. When you find 15 more mph, then you'll be in the ball park. Hell, you at low elevation, are trapping 1 mph more than I do at high elevation! And as I just said; my car is NO Z06 beater.

 

And since when does trap speed win drag races. Clueless!!!

First off - DA varied between 2000-2250 that day and we were racing into a 20 mph headwind all day. I was down 5-6 mph on traps speed just because of wind. The Vette cut a 1.9 60' and if you subtract the headwind would have run ~11.5 at around 127 - but by your logic, he shouldn't own a Z06. So by your infinite wisdom only Ranger and a handful of others are the only people worth owning one. For someone so easy to rip on a Z06 driver - have you ever flogged one down the track?

So what that PROVES is I cut a better 60' - 1.65 and make a bunch more torque. I never said I beat one to 130 mph, just to 1320'

 

Neither of us is clueless. Unfortunately, your inability to stick to the purpose of this thread is making you appear clueless. Trap is the indicator of hp (what the OP is asking about) and we both know it. In the race you cited above, I don't care about DA's or head winds; you were both on the same track same day, and he massacred you by a whopping 10 mph, w/hp. If anything the 2200' DA should favor your turbo car to his NA. You beat him to the line w/driving. You 60 footed the shnikies out of him, b/c you know how to drive and he doesn't (as well). Then, you managed to hang on to that until the end. Good for you that you beat a Z06. I have as well (two of them actually), but neither of us have "Z06 beating" cars -as per the topic of this thread. You just can man-up and admit it. You seem more interested in claiming a Z06 kill (and Z06 supremacy?) than answering the OP's question honestly.

My answer to the OP still stands and is valid. If he wants a Z06 (the CAR; not a particular "driver") beating CAR, then he needs to build a 3rd gen that can trap in the high 120's and ET in very low 11's.

 

Your validity is that you have to be able to beat the 2nd fastest time ever recorded of a Factory stock Z06, which is what a superb driver ran in ideal conditions, that amounted to 1% of the runs he made in the car.

If you peruse Corvetteforum.com the average of the 17 fastest times of a factory stock Z is 11.5 @ 124. This is somewhat of a validity or benchmark number.

The O/P asked what 3rd Gen + what mods beats Z06. I stuck to the post criteria and said my TTA+ bolt-ons did. He never asked what HP is needed or what was the fastest recorded time for a Z- you did that.

 

I don't accept your point about the average of the top 17 times and using 11.5 as a bench mark. How many Z06's are on the road? Of those, how many go to the strip? Of THOSE, how many are driven by real drivers? Of THOSE, how many make enough passes to run to the BOTTOM of their cars' time? Not many. Not 17. If I were asking the question, for ME the answer would have to be one that would ensure that my car could beat ALL Z06's. So for ME, 10.86/130 would be the target number. I'd want to know what I had to do to my 3rd gen to achieve that, or better. My experience w/3rd gens tells me that would be more hp than the Z06 due to weight. Then, I could honestly say, "I have a Z06 beating 3rd gen". Even though I've beaten TWO Z06's, I would never claim my car to be a "Z06 beater" and neither should you. Neither of our cars are Z06 beaters. My car would require 100 more hp. Yours would too.


You did apparently beat a Z06. So did I, twice. Don't matter though, b/c neither of our cars pass the "Z06 beater" gut-check test. When you beat a car to the line by less than .2 while he's passing you at over 10 mph faster than you, lesson learned is that your a better driver, but the other car is faster. That is not a recipe for Z06 beating, b/c if you go up against another identical Z06 w/a little better driver (one that can launch .1 faster) and you're toast...against the same car. You're car (TTA) and it's mods are pretty irrelevant to a guy that has a TPI 305, don't you think? Which is why...
...I set an ET/Trap Target. I don't believe that I ever set a HP goal. If I did, quote where I did that. I DID bring up the 1/4 mile performance as a benchmark b/c that happens to be a pretty commonly used performance benchmark. Also, many people can offer useful combo's that will get a 3rd gen to a certain 1/4 benchmarks once they know the accurate number, b/c many people have done it. Which is why I brought it up.

How many hp does it take to make a 3rd gen run LOW 11's at high 120's? What mods work to get a 3rd gen there? That answers the OP's question. (I think I've typed that a few times now) I doubt the OP wants to know what he needs to beat a Z06 w/a less than ideal driver. I wouldn't care about that. I've said that too.

 

Ok, fine. I'll remember that the next time I run into Jaime F at MIR when it is 40 degrees outside and the track is like flypaper and DA's are under the ocean. Because all the stock Z's they send to California run 5-7 tenths slower.



Im a better driver ? My cars an automatic. Put it "D" and push the gas, so simple a caveman can do it. Your obviously not realizing the track I raced at is at 1200' above sea level and on that day the DA's were in the 2-2250' range with a steady 15-25 mph headwind with 40 mph gusts. Track prep was marginal, so a 1.93 sixty for the Z and his et. was pretty good and if you think not, YOUR stellar benchmark of 10.83 had only a 1.7 60' which was on drag radials, not runflats.

 

^ My little take on all of this....;

I personally don't believe that Ranger pulled off that 10.85 @ 129, bone stock w/drag radials, I just don't. In fact, the only way I'll believe it is if he shows me the run in it's entireity, not an edited version of it being cut in the middle of the run, especially w/only a 1.67 sixty foot, Click Here, and even then I want to see under the hood to confirm it being NA. We literally live at Atco Raceway, as well as E-Town, and I've never seen anything of the sort. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the guys driving ability, but to pick up that much mph, as well as the drastic decrease in ET, and I'm referring from his 11 second pass (Click Here), to that 10 second pass above, with relatively the same sixty foot mind you (and I don't want to hear that he bounced off the rev limiter twice on the 11 second pass), tells me there's a little more to the story that he's not sharing....