midias

Well we are glad you did, even if it was not worth it.

Trevmust

The toyota supra can be modded to 800+hp and make decent gas mileage. If domestic cars were powerful and efficient (like they are now - 5th gen camaro) they would blow the doors off everything in every department.

Blue1990camaro

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all im gona add is that im 20, iv owned and sold 21 (literaly) cars and trucks, every one of them being a chevy, mostly buy fixed and sold 1980s S10s and cavaliers and camaros, few monte carlos,

as of right now i own a 1985 IROC Z28, and a 1987 Sport coupe, i also have a 1990 454 SS truck, but however i did buy a 2000 Cavalier Z24 2.4L DOHC that ill admit, was pretty quick being it ran a 14.6 (not stock) however i hate 4 cylinders, a DOHC or even a SOHC is outa my box nor do i like them, i rather have a cam in block motor anyday, even if its an iron duke, engines are much more durable

my 2.4 cavalier lasted only 4 months of weekly racing at the track before it gave up, with only 12k miles on it, lifter on cyl 3 jammed wiped out the cam lobe, cracked the lifted 3 places and part of it is missing, this caused the valve to hit the top of the piston, motor had ONLY 12 K on it and is built, never ran more then 6500 rpms

wen iv been racing SBC chevys as long as i can remember and so have my parts and as long as u dont beat the dog **** outa it itl run forever, unlike this 4 banger ****

yes i have friends with imports, and it seems everyother day wer fixing something on the damn things



but as said before, theres nothing like the feel of a third gen, or a rwd high hp v8 muscle car compared to a fwd 4 banger



YOU CANT ROCK OUT WITH THE T TOPS OFF IN A CIVIC!

SKELITOR117

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Hay! This thread's back!

tyrell418

For what it's worth, i hate foreign cars, i will never drive them, and i would rather drive my Chevelle, and get absolute horrible gas, than drive a Civic, that being said, my daily driver is now going to be a Camaro z28 with the 5.7 liter.

Street Lethal

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... and the 25+ year old V6 Grand Nationals made by GM can't do the same thing? If I up my boost in my turbo GTA passed 25-psi I will make 800+ horsepower too, and when I am not in boost my 305 gets excellent gas mileage, so I definitely don't agree with you. Your trying to compare a turbocharged 2JZ engine with a naturally aspirated V8. You do realize that at 15-psi horsepower essentially doubles, right? Why not level the playing field then. Show me a Supra, any Supra, that can take on a factory Callaway TPI w/turbo in every department. Callaway knew how to build power twenty years ago with our cars while the public still tried shoving in as much heads and cam that they could (whch is why Callaway was out of the price range for the average consumer), but things have changed. Now any TPI guy can get Callaway results because the information is out there to DIY. Supra's are a thing of the past now that everyone has just about gone turbo.

oamhmad

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One thing about turbo boost every one seem to forget is turbo lag. It's just plain annoying. I drove a turbo VW GTI and although it was much faster then my plain jane Civic, it's engine just did not feel responsive at all, which takes a lot of the fun factor out. The litte NA civic engine is always happy to rev instantly.

99olo

I had a girlfriend like that once...

Six_Shooter

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I guess it depends on your idea of "fun".

There are times when that delayed hit of extra power can be fun, especially when someone in the passenger seat isn't expecting it, after the initial release of power and then a second hit.

Honestly though, once the turbo is spooled and you shift quickly enough, the turbo will stay spooled.

There are also ways to have boost build a lot sooner and quicker, than most vehicles that are built with larger than needed turbochargers.

Kevin Lee 487

A few factors to remember with the little 4cyl cars.

They are much lighter than our thirdgens and as such, respond much faster when people whip them around corners on the street.

The 4cyl engines rev much higher than most so it gets far louder and gives the impression that its going fast.

Since they are such tiny, light cars, they are " twitchy " and will get their asses moving a bit faster than most other cars. ( Read : Sedans and Larger vehicles ) So its a world of difference between putting your foot down in say a Buick Lucerne and a Kia Spectra.

All the little ***** kids drive around with their first cars which are usually 4cyl after taking the drivers test in their parents 3600+ lb car that only has a 200hp V6 and they think their car is fast as ****. Add to the fact that newer generations are spoon fed the mantra that muscle cars are crap. ( Riced and the Furious anyone? ) and all the JDM magazines showcasing Civics with 30grand put into them to make them fast and its a recipe for disaster. Or laughter if you own a Muscle car.

THEN, they see our cars which are in a best case scenario, 20 years old, and think they can beat up on the old Camaro / Firebird, only to get their asses handed to them. A kid with a stock Civic or Prelude or w/e would NEVER try the **** they do on us when they're next to a Hemi Charger, LS1 F-Body, 5.0 Mustang or new Camaro SS.

Personally, I don't find this intimidating in the slightest.

This would scare the **** out of me if this car pulled up wanting to race.

Trevmust

I could take it lolol

midias

It is funny if you take the word Honda and replace it with harley you get the exact same mentality in the motorcycle world. My xxxxx Vtwin is sooooooooooo fast and LOUDDDDDDDDDDDDDD it will eat your ***** he he he.

But I see that behavior from all owners of all types of cars import and domestic alike. The only people I don't see it from are the guys who take the time to learn about all cars not just the ones they like and can learn to respect a different way of thinking.

I love all cars and have build some very quick imports and some quick domestics.

I still think people hate because of some personal inadequacy.

Cars'n'Guitars

So I'm 17 and I live in Indiana and here it is really a 50/50 split on cars. A lot of the people I go to school with prefer muscle-cars compared to imports. But imports are cheap and everywhere so that's what most drive. So they just work with what they have, but would take a muscle-car if given the chance. I personally am not a import fan regardless of what it's being used for. As someone stated way earlier people want the cars they grew up in and have been around all their life. I have been around American cars all my life. The car I grew up in before gas got expensive was my dads' 69 Camaro. I've been used to big cams with headers and 3" Cherrybombs as our exhaust set-up which to me sounds more intimidating then a car that sounds like a continuous fart. Sorry to offend anyone who might like that, but we all know it's true. That being said I want my car to be the never version of his Camaro. Because everything I have been around and learned just proves to me that 4 cylinder can really never beat a v8.

midias

Unless it is an American 305 V8 from the 80s

Cars'n'Guitars

Okay you got me there, but I would rather lose with the 305 then a 4 cylinder.

Guest

How bout a 4 cylinder from the '80s jackass. I dare one of those things to move its *** out of its own way.

SKELITOR117

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Callaway was making street legal vettes that blew past 250mph confertably in the early 90s, back when there were only 10 or so supercars that could go past 200, and the fastest production car in the world went 230 (McLaren F1).

SKELITOR117

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Haha. Before my Dad bought one of his many muscle cars, which were 90% Chevys (Chevelle, Corvette, Camaros, etc...), he had a 1978 Corrola that his parents let him use. It had like 45bhp and a 5 speed manual transmission. It had a top speed somewhere south of 80, and he couldn't cross a 2 lane road without shifting gears. Almost got him killed a few times.

Japanese cars didn't really get quick till the 90s. Very few worth while sports cars were built before then (exceptions: AE86, Supra, Skyline RS, Lancer Turbo, RX7, 240ZX, all built in small numbers). I'm not extensivly experianced in imports, But The AE86, RX7, 240Z, and Supra are all stable platforms for some awesome cars. I really like the Classic Japanese sports scene, and I have nothing against cool imports. It's those fart can civics I can't stand.

midias

Every day after class I would race my 1988 Accord LX-I 5 speed vs my friends 92 camaro 3.1L and I never had an issue winning.

After some port work I/H/E and a new cam I managed high 14s not bad but I could spank most 305 that messed with it.

It was my first import after I could no longer afford to drive my 5.7 silverado or 71 montecarlo.

My 1986 Honda 750cc made more power than the iron duke

I think what people are not getting is every company makes a quick car and some slow cars. Being a fan of all cars I appreciate them all and also appreciate someone taking a slow car and making it fast not just taking the easy way out.

kmcn47

skellitor the supra was around in the 80s, 84 was the first year i believe, came with the 5mge 2.8l straight six bout 110 hp iirc they are nice cars but the *** end is hidious and there not excitingly fast, the one my dad had and i was looking to buy again would do about 100mph with its auto trans but it would shake like my camaro at 140

igotta355z28

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wow i remember posting the 2nd response on this thread back in 08!!!!! I never opened this up again after that, I just read through the first couple of pages now and boy does my head hurt....Lots of stupidity running wild in here.....well heres to not reading this thread again for 4 more years haha...

CharcoalBird

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SKELITOR117

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This is a fun thread so long as you don't take it seriously. Like, at all.

TA-Rocks

my neighbor has a winebago, I wanna
see that!

Halsell2132

they all think that because of these movies and television. like one reply said stick them in a high horse power rwd and they wouldnt know what to do. dont get me wrong ive had a couple imports but they just lack the raw power and the thrill of a v8

SKELITOR117

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I know what you mean. My dad took our tuner/drift racer friend out for a ride in our Custom Magnum Wagon R/T. He's been in 600hp civics, and tons of other tuner/imports. The Magnum only had about 400hp, but he took him for a ride and scared the crap out of him. Funny as hell. I wasn't even scared when I got in a GT500 Cobra, it was just fun. Us muscle car guys just have this sick fasination with power.

Kevin Lee 487

Us Muscle car guys don't have to wait for V-TEC to kick in yo! When we hit the pedal, the car actually goes.

Halsell2132

man i would love to get into a gt500 or a supersnake. its all about the power

fishyz

This is a cop car by me. Saw it for the first time last night. And no, I'm not kidding.

SKELITOR117

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Damn.

89iroc89

Yea, he cruises Highway, that is what the racing seen in Milwaukee is called haha. It is a Greenfield cop, he is a pretty nice guy actually. The car itself was donated by Subaru City.

capnmorgan

I agree with you to a certain extent. Kids going around in civics with a single turbo that they paid someone else to put in is just stupid but grouping all imports into this category is unrealistic. I have had a mitsu 3000gt w/ a 3.2L v6 and a 92 Camaro w/ a 5.7L 350 l98 and my mitsu would smoke it on a track but in a straight drag the Camaro would win. So the thing is if your going for pure speed on a straight track than go ahead and go for a muscle car, but if you want a good balance between speed and performance than muscle cars would take much more money to get to the same level as a supra MKIV or a rx-7 because there light and responsive as well as easily upgradeable for outrageous speed. But don't get me wrong I absolutely love american muscle cars just as much as imports and yes I'm guilty of watching the Fast and Furious series but I also know the ridiculousness of the concept of getting a stock supra, adding a 20lb bottle of nos and a spoiler and being able to run a even 9.00. So think about it this way anyone with enough knowledge to upgrade a 90's Camaro and a 90's supra could make either car just as fast as the other just as easily and there is always some one with a faster car weather it's a import or a muscle. So to group all imports under a civic is like grouping all muscle cars under the 1976 Ford Maverick Stallion. No matter how you upgrade these cars they will still suck compared to an upgraded 2001 lancer VII and an upgraded 2001 Z06 which would blow these cars (upgraded like h***) away stock.

P.S. I've seen my friend run a 7.05 in his street legal 3000gt... Just sayin'

cuisinartvette

You sir are right on the money.
Usually pissed they cant afford something better is my guess

As far as 4 cyls cant smoke a V8 oh yes they can Ive been surprised by a few and im not talking a 13 or 14 sec import.

Think most here have never been in a truly fast car

Nothing wrong with having your favorites but keep an open mind there are some stupid fast cars on the street and with todays tech it isnt always easy to tell what they got going on until its too late.

kmcn47

its even more fun when you instigate and put some rage in people

project89

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haha i could prolly scare most of these ppl here by taking them for a ride in my v6 car, and while its fast its really not that fast.but prolly faster then most of the import fan boys have ever gone.

if that dont work ill just have them hop in my twin turbo iroc

besdies the ex system on my twin turbo iroc u would never know the car was fast, and even with no mufflers it idles like a bone stock engine,so most ppl would just think it didnt have a muffler on it


and its the oddball cars u have to watch out for few years ago when i still lived in nj i was comming back form the shore in my 87 iroc 383/5speed car
i got my azz whooped by a fuggen saturn sc2 turboed of course, but besdies being lowered and rims the car looked like any other run of the mill saturn.i owned one of those cars 99 3 door sc2 with the touring package and stock they were fun to drive around and handled great. one of these days ill find one in decent shape and actually build the motor in the thing for ***** n giggles

minigunz

Never EVER underestimate the 4 cylinder... They are just as capable as the 550+ HP equipped Corvette. Ive seen it. Scary **** man... Scary.

minigunz

1984DarkHorse

Amen!!! I have been screaming and pulling my hair out about this for forever.... I mean, hypothetically speaking... why put ten grand into a rice rocket and get a tiny amount of hp when you can put half that into a V8 and get WAY more???? I mean logically, come on. Your giant spoilers and stickers dont make you go faster. If you REALLY want something fast, you dont go out and buy a honda civic. I really think it is just the "times" we live in and most likely a product of boredom. (lets see if we can make the car with a lawn mower motor go fast!) I try not to worry about it because no matter how cool they act, when they pull up next to me and revv up their lawn mower I let the horses loose and leave em in the dust!!!

BluFBdy

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Civics dont have lawn mower engines. They have 4 cylinders at the least, to be realistic the "lawn mower engine" would be the wankel rotary, found in rx7's as they are 2 stroke. Once again a faster car "stock for stock" than ours "for the time period".

To each their own guys. Leave the fast and furious kids alone we all grow up some day, and that also goes for the Joe dirts who have a stock iroc running "9's"..... ignorance is bliss.

ibmtech

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Wow this is crazy. I have read multiple comments from 17 and 18 year old kids saying in all their life and experience.. At 17 you have only been driving legally for what 2 or 3 years.. You have no life and very little experience. Additionally, I have read several posts saying that their 305 TPI camaro's and firebird's etc which was approx 215 hp in the mid 80's is going to beat all these rice rockets. On a good day maybe but normally doubtfully. My camaro used to be one of them 87 305 TPI cars that used to get smoked by rice burners all of the time. Putting an Air Foil in the throttle body and drilling out the Cat doesn't do anything for performance. Then someone says if they bump up their stock 5.7 and put an ebay turbo at 25 PSI they can get 800 hp too. Yeah and watch the crank, pistons, rods come out the bottom end of the block or break the block in 1/2. Unless you are getting money from mommy and daddy, or you have a great job, which I seriously doubt, you can't afford the modifications it takes to get some real performance from your car. I personally hate rice and I can do something about it. But there are alot of cars out there alot faster than mine. I just paid $31k for a new Motor and S/C to beat these ricers, so don't say you can do it on a stock engine with a 8psi turbo.. There are 4 cylinder ricers out there that are pushing 1000+ hp. And if they are AWD they will smoke you at the start and finish line. Then you can come back on Thirdgen and lie and tell everyone that you beat them..

taonindo

i like rice with sugar cream and cinnimun ..... cenamum .... cinnamon mmmmm good stuff

project89

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i beg to differ with some of ur post.

if u have the knowhow u can slam a bone stock v8 with 23+ psi of boost + nitrous and have it outlive everything else in the car.

a member of this site who was featured in a few magazines and runs low 9's on a factory longblock ( might i add 2 bolt mains) has been doing it for a long time

i also have a twin turbo iroc that is basically the same

so yes if u know what ur doing it can be done.

but the majority of the ppl here wouldnt make it past 10 psi before they start hurting engines, even if it was fully forged and had all high $ stuff in it

kmcn47

exactly, hell twin turbos 305 is probably the fastest on the site, either that or sojers amazing 400hp 305 LAWL

project89

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i need to correct some info in my post

the shortblock is all original 90k something miles on it
he did pull the heads and cleaned up the bowl area and a lil bit of pocket porting
but they were small valve truck heads

the camshaft was a 224/224 cam

that combo with 20 pounds of boost and a 25 shot of nitrous got him 9.37 iirc

later he switched to a set of dbl hump heads and went 9.17 on the same stock shortblock . i.e cast crank,stock rods/bolts/factory cast pistons ,factory rings

there may be some devation form that but thats what i rember


if he sees this im sure he will chime in

midias

I think Andrew91GT will give him a run for his money

two60two

No you didn't. The worlds fastest 3000gt/stealth runs a high 8.

project89

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i think he meant 7.05 in the 1/8th, and every 3000gt that ive seen from mid 10's and faster is usually a fully gutted and heavily caged car that would be nowere near street legal

two60two

I wasn't giving him the benefit of the doubt.

kmcn47

searching the board for it now

midias

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/fabrication/601504-2k-hp-capable-street.html